Matt TreacyOn Friday last, January 29, the Comhairle Dáil Ceantair (CDC) for Fianna Fáil in East Meath, held a special meeting at which it decided to suspend the Public Relations Officer, John Kierans for stating that he had put a motion down for the next ordinary meeting of the CDC regarding the Covid panic.


According to the report in Drogheda Life:

The first motion before the CDC reads as follows: “That the Fianna Fáil Louth Coastal Meath CDC acknowledges that data from the Central Statistics Office of Ireland pertaining to excess mortality does not support the contention that Ireland suffered from an abnormal pandemic in the year 2020. Furthermore, we acknowledge that excess mortality data from ‘anti-lockdown Sweden’ indicates that Sweden did not have an abnormal pandemic in 2020. The pandemics endured by both countries was similar to the recent bad flu seasons”. 

 

Photo Credit: Drogheda Life
That would seem to be pretty normal practice in most political parties. Members table motions and they are voted upon and then sent forward to party HQ, possibly for inclusion on the Clár of an Ard Fheis or annual conference.

The Officer Board, presumably other than Mr. Kierans, decided that this is not actually how things work:

Mr. Kierans’ statement was not issued with the approval of the Fianna Fáil CDC and the motions referred to in it are not on the Fianna Fáil CDC agenda. They are not representative of the views of the CDC or Fianna Fáil party policy generally.
The Fianna Fáil CDC does not share and, moreover, rejects any assertion that the Covid-19 pandemic is no worse than a bad flu season.

Which seems to defeat the entire purpose of having meetings to decide policy, if policy is already set in stone. Translated from bureaucratic speak, what it means is that the motion is not on the agenda because the majority of the officer board decided that it ought not to be even discussed. How does any party know whether the views are or are not “representative” unless they are voted upon by the members?

Their statement concluded with an instruction to the public to observe all the restrictions in place. A somewhat strange way to conduct internal party business, but we live in the strangest of strange times.

So what had John Kierans said that was so offensive to those who decided to “no platform” him, as their fellow arbiters of public debate among the other establishment parties might frame it?

Well, he suggested that the cure as it were, is worse than the virus, and that the government ought to seek the views of those “epidemiologists and virologists” who demure from the position that lockdowns are the way to go. These views may be heretical and are seldom aired here since main stream media closed them down, but they are not uncommon within the scientific community, and are in fact considered by other states in tackling Covid.

Obviously Mr. Kierans did believe that the motion would be allowed, and indeed that it would be on the agenda for the next meeting of the CDC. Apart from that, it would seem that his reference to CSO statistics on mortality rates and his comparison of these to the experience of Sweden is beyond the bounds of what can be properly debated here. Not only within the media but even at a meeting of members of a political party.

The newspaper report on the motion proves that Kierans had put considerable effort into framing his motion, and supported it with statistics and graphics to back his contention. Far too much information obviously for some.

Hopefully, Mr. Kierans will have sufficient appreciation of irony when he reads back over the following part of his motion which caused him to be suspended as PRO for the Soldiers of Destiny.

Under Micheál Martin’s leadership Fianna Fáil remains undaunted in its commitment to open discussions and policy formation from its membership.
"Covid hysteria is crushing medical services for many seriously sick people, destroying family businesses, and tearing at the very fabric of our society" Kierans says.
We in Fianna Fáil can lead our country out of this morass. Cheerleading the latest lockdown measures and fretting over statistics, (that are literally meaningless), is not good enough. Fianna Fáil and Ireland is smarter than that.

 

Matt Treacy has published a number of books including histories of 
the Republican Movement and of the Communist Party of Ireland. 

Fianna Fáil PRO Suspended For Having Opinion On Covid

Matt TreacyOn Friday last, January 29, the Comhairle Dáil Ceantair (CDC) for Fianna Fáil in East Meath, held a special meeting at which it decided to suspend the Public Relations Officer, John Kierans for stating that he had put a motion down for the next ordinary meeting of the CDC regarding the Covid panic.


According to the report in Drogheda Life:

The first motion before the CDC reads as follows: “That the Fianna Fáil Louth Coastal Meath CDC acknowledges that data from the Central Statistics Office of Ireland pertaining to excess mortality does not support the contention that Ireland suffered from an abnormal pandemic in the year 2020. Furthermore, we acknowledge that excess mortality data from ‘anti-lockdown Sweden’ indicates that Sweden did not have an abnormal pandemic in 2020. The pandemics endured by both countries was similar to the recent bad flu seasons”. 

 

Photo Credit: Drogheda Life
That would seem to be pretty normal practice in most political parties. Members table motions and they are voted upon and then sent forward to party HQ, possibly for inclusion on the Clár of an Ard Fheis or annual conference.

The Officer Board, presumably other than Mr. Kierans, decided that this is not actually how things work:

Mr. Kierans’ statement was not issued with the approval of the Fianna Fáil CDC and the motions referred to in it are not on the Fianna Fáil CDC agenda. They are not representative of the views of the CDC or Fianna Fáil party policy generally.
The Fianna Fáil CDC does not share and, moreover, rejects any assertion that the Covid-19 pandemic is no worse than a bad flu season.

Which seems to defeat the entire purpose of having meetings to decide policy, if policy is already set in stone. Translated from bureaucratic speak, what it means is that the motion is not on the agenda because the majority of the officer board decided that it ought not to be even discussed. How does any party know whether the views are or are not “representative” unless they are voted upon by the members?

Their statement concluded with an instruction to the public to observe all the restrictions in place. A somewhat strange way to conduct internal party business, but we live in the strangest of strange times.

So what had John Kierans said that was so offensive to those who decided to “no platform” him, as their fellow arbiters of public debate among the other establishment parties might frame it?

Well, he suggested that the cure as it were, is worse than the virus, and that the government ought to seek the views of those “epidemiologists and virologists” who demure from the position that lockdowns are the way to go. These views may be heretical and are seldom aired here since main stream media closed them down, but they are not uncommon within the scientific community, and are in fact considered by other states in tackling Covid.

Obviously Mr. Kierans did believe that the motion would be allowed, and indeed that it would be on the agenda for the next meeting of the CDC. Apart from that, it would seem that his reference to CSO statistics on mortality rates and his comparison of these to the experience of Sweden is beyond the bounds of what can be properly debated here. Not only within the media but even at a meeting of members of a political party.

The newspaper report on the motion proves that Kierans had put considerable effort into framing his motion, and supported it with statistics and graphics to back his contention. Far too much information obviously for some.

Hopefully, Mr. Kierans will have sufficient appreciation of irony when he reads back over the following part of his motion which caused him to be suspended as PRO for the Soldiers of Destiny.

Under Micheál Martin’s leadership Fianna Fáil remains undaunted in its commitment to open discussions and policy formation from its membership.
"Covid hysteria is crushing medical services for many seriously sick people, destroying family businesses, and tearing at the very fabric of our society" Kierans says.
We in Fianna Fáil can lead our country out of this morass. Cheerleading the latest lockdown measures and fretting over statistics, (that are literally meaningless), is not good enough. Fianna Fáil and Ireland is smarter than that.

 

Matt Treacy has published a number of books including histories of 
the Republican Movement and of the Communist Party of Ireland. 

6 comments:

  1. He was suspended for putting out the statement as a PRO rather than in his capacity as an individual member. He should be entitled to express whatever view that he wants but once he tags PRO onto it he is in a different position.

    ReplyDelete
  2. "Well, he suggested that the cure as it were, is worse than the virus, and that the government ought to seek the views of those “epidemiologists and virologists” who demure from the position that lockdowns are the way to go. These views may be heretical and are seldom aired here since main stream media closed them down, but they are not uncommon within the scientific community, and are in fact considered by other states in tackling Covid."

    There was dissent from the thought that lockdowns were the way to go mid-last year, but I wonder if that's still the case given the new mutations? Opening up now in the UK or Ireland would be insanity given the UK variant.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Dido Hardin the MP who signed off 22 BILLION for track and trace to her buddies with zero medical background or experience has astounded people with this statement.

    Dido Harding says, "none of us were able to predict" that the virus would mutate or that new variants would emerge.

    Have a wee read and try not to be too AFRAID.

    https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/how-does-virus-mutate-why-do-mutations-happen-south-african-uk-and-brazil-covid-variants-continue-spread-3076550

    Given that viruses by their very nature do exactly that... MUTATE it was an astonishing thing to say. There was a tyrannical control/complicity regarding the MSM in this fakedemic. If a general election was imminent rather than far off in 2024 I suggest things would be very different indeed.

    Steve R
    I sense from one of your recent comments that you feel had sufficient hospital beds and staff been available this mess would hae been avoidable.

    I say again. Tory criminality and self interest as with the Irish fakefamine turned an ugly nasty flu variant into a needless crisis, a fakedemic. No one was permitted to even question the official line without immediately being branded a conspiracy theorist.

    At what point instead of heaping on the restrictions does the government start funding, staffing and financing healthcare? Or is that too logical.

    The very sick, the very old and the very vunerble and afraid require care and protection. (That's you and Barry ... Mackers) The rest of us should be permitted to live.
    Start by having a TV debate involving scientists WITH Witty and Fauci and Holohan. WITH is their favourite word except when it comes to logic and debate.
    Open the schools. Protect the NHS by funding it and not robbing it and look after the geriatrics.
    GIMPS STAY HOME... save yourselves!!

    ReplyDelete
  4. Larry,

    Tory criminality aside ( and they should be all against the wall as far as I'm concerned), why would even nations that have socialist governments be taking this pandemeic seriously? Like China?

    ReplyDelete
  5. Steve R

    From the outset I wondered what were we NOT being told. Had some military grade germ been released...

    I think what we didn't know at the time was that Fauci had been funding lab experiments to take covid viruses a step further in that they could jump from animals to humans. This had been halted by Obama but Fauci took it upon himself to start it up again, against other scientists advice and serious concerns. HE, Fauci, said it was a risk worth taking.

    I believe this Wuhan accident, virus experimentation from animals to humans, which Fauci funded, was the Frankenstein escaping the castle moment and Fauci/Frankenstein himself, has the world in lock down since. Only the mad Dr. can save us from HIS CREATION. It has been panic until they see just how dangerous his monster actually is.

    But of course that's just my conspiracy theory. I was never good at joining the dots.

    Love the Noah was a conspiracy theorist until it started raining BTW.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Larry

      Spoiler alert; I am nearing the end of a TPQ article on "Plandemic" which will address the Wuhan "accident" claptrap.

      As I said to Frankie; an MRI scan of the brains of those who are susceptible to conspiracy myths would be a major advance in neuropsychological research.

      Delete