From Tony Greenstein's Blog ➤ What is it about Israel that makes it so attractive to anti-Semites, fascists and racists such as Trump, Bolsonaro and Duterte? 

Israel is proof that any group of people, including Jews, can, given the right set of circumstances become racists and fascists.

Racism is not biologically inherited. It is a product of society not genetics. Just as Germans today have not inherited a Hitler gene, so the same is true of Israeli Jews. They have no inherited the mantle of the oppressed Jews of Europe but what Israel has done is to transform the traditional image of Jews from the oppressed to the oppressor.

Norman Finkelstein, in a recent interview, quoted Ze’ev Sternhell, a former professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, a childhood survivor of the Nazi ghetto of Przemyśl in Poland and a world authority on fascism.

According to Sternhell fascists and anti-Semites, amongst whom I include Trump, don’t see Israel as Jewish. The Zionist dream was always to create a nation like all other nations. They succeeded only too well. The settler nation that they created is the most right-wing and racist of any nation on Earth.

Israel is the only state, bar Liberia, where Donald Trump is more popular than unpopular. Whereas Jews were historically seen as weak, intellectuals, cosmopolitan, erudite, artists, seditious and on the Left, Israel is seen as a warrior state, a military fortress. The archetypal Jew was a Woody Allen, Franz Kafka, Einstein and Marc Chagall. To Hitler the archetypal Jew was Karl Marx. The archetypal Israeli Jew is a racist bigot who revels in murder.

Israel according to Dutch fascist leader Geert Wilders is the front-line in the battle to defend Western civilisation. It is admired by every fascist or far-Right leader on the planet – from Brazil’s Bolsonaro to the Philipine’s Hitler loving President Duterte. 

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Israel Is Not Only The World’s Most Racist State ➤ It Is A Nation Of Murderers

From Tony Greenstein's Blog ➤ What is it about Israel that makes it so attractive to anti-Semites, fascists and racists such as Trump, Bolsonaro and Duterte? 

Israel is proof that any group of people, including Jews, can, given the right set of circumstances become racists and fascists.

Racism is not biologically inherited. It is a product of society not genetics. Just as Germans today have not inherited a Hitler gene, so the same is true of Israeli Jews. They have no inherited the mantle of the oppressed Jews of Europe but what Israel has done is to transform the traditional image of Jews from the oppressed to the oppressor.

Norman Finkelstein, in a recent interview, quoted Ze’ev Sternhell, a former professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, a childhood survivor of the Nazi ghetto of Przemyśl in Poland and a world authority on fascism.

According to Sternhell fascists and anti-Semites, amongst whom I include Trump, don’t see Israel as Jewish. The Zionist dream was always to create a nation like all other nations. They succeeded only too well. The settler nation that they created is the most right-wing and racist of any nation on Earth.

Israel is the only state, bar Liberia, where Donald Trump is more popular than unpopular. Whereas Jews were historically seen as weak, intellectuals, cosmopolitan, erudite, artists, seditious and on the Left, Israel is seen as a warrior state, a military fortress. The archetypal Jew was a Woody Allen, Franz Kafka, Einstein and Marc Chagall. To Hitler the archetypal Jew was Karl Marx. The archetypal Israeli Jew is a racist bigot who revels in murder.

Israel according to Dutch fascist leader Geert Wilders is the front-line in the battle to defend Western civilisation. It is admired by every fascist or far-Right leader on the planet – from Brazil’s Bolsonaro to the Philipine’s Hitler loving President Duterte. 

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17 comments:

  1. Most people I know acknowledge this Israel. It doesn't matter though, the pro Israeli, Zionist organisations are that organised, that committed to screaming anti-Semitic to any criticism that their nonsense, their agenda has become accepted and articles such as above will be declared anti-Semitic, conspiracy theory or fake news regardless of the facts presented. This has been going on for as long as I remember.

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  2. Since the author of this screed has bdeen expelled from the Labour Party for antisemitismn , he is .living proof that even Jews can be antisemitic Tony Greenstdein belongs to a far left strand of antizionsism that is parasitic to the wider left and to the cause of Palestinain rights that he profdesses to care ablout
    That Israel has swung to the right over the last four dcecades is undenmiable and the hegemony of ethno-nationalist discourse id highly concerning.

    But thr most racist nation on earth ... above North Korea, China, Pakisxtan, Iran, Syyria, Russia take your pick.

    Within its pre-1967 boundaries Israel is a liberal democracy whose democratic culture, I accept, is eroded by right-wing settler nationalism.

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    1. Where was he guilty of antisemitism? Getting put out of the BLP for it is hardly proof of guilt.

      I would suggest he is anti-Zionist, anti-Israel state, anti-murder, anti-torture, anti-Apartheid. Power is desperate to suppress the truth he speaks to it.

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  3. Barry,
    You make my my point for me. People automatically jump to Israel defence and they always say the same things, Israel is a liberal democracy etc without addressing the points. If you think it's ridiculous to call Israel the most racist state that's fine, fair standpoint but to put in the author is anti-Semitic, liberal democracy, holocaust etc is cultish and takes away from your argument. By the way I agree with Anthony getting expelled from the BlP for anti-Semitism means nothing not after the nonsense during the Cornyn years.

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    1. I have yet to see Tony Goldstein make one anti-Semitic comment. He has consistently slammed Israeli repression, war crimes, crimes against humanity. None of that makes him an anti-Semite. Calling critics of Nazi like barbarism anti-Semitic is simply a labelling strategy designed to deflect attention away from what is being criticised.

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  4. From Dave Rich "The Left's Jewish Problem. Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Antisemitism" 2018 p. 314

    "Tony Greenstein was eventually expelled from the :Labour Party, almost two years after being suspencded for difrecting antisemitic, sexist and racist abuse towards fellow Labour Party mkemers"

    From Prof Alan Johnson, "Institutional Antisemitism. CVontemporary Left Antisemitism and the Crisis in the British Labour Party" Fathom Publications 2019

    p.39 "Tony Greenstein swas suspended from the Labour Pafrty in light of various comments he made, inlude 'Zio idiots',and "Zionist sceum". According to the Labour blog Red Roar amonvg his other commdents were that former Labnour MP Louise Ellamn 'supported Israeli child abuse' and that 'gay Zionists want to make me puke'. He also called the Guardian columnist and promindebnt left-wiong sctivist Owen Jones a 'Janus faced whore'.

    p.72 "Tony Greenstein now expelled cfrom Lanour said "Yhe flsse antisemitism narrative is the ONLY weapon the Zionists have ... like a multi-headed hydra - however many heads you cut off they keep coking back. The image of the Jews as a multi-headed hydra, states Johnson, has historically been classocally antisemitic. It is flound today in antisemitiosm that comnes dressed up as antisemitism for exmample in the cartoons of Carlso Latuff who in 2006 notoriously won second prize in Iran's grotesque 'Holocaust cartoon contest'. (Dave Rich "Jeremy VCorbyn and Antisemitism: Questions to Answer" Community Security Trust Blog 8th July 2105 https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2015/07/08/jeremy-corbyn-and-antisemitismquestions-to-answer.

    If antisemitism is to be defined as merely hatred of Jews as people then yes, Tony Greenstein may not be defined as such. But the shape snhifting nature of antisemitism whereby antizionism can segue so easily into classical antisemitism around themes of "Zionist" control of the mdedia and world finance msans that Tony Greenstead and his ideological soulmates can legitinately be accused of the form of antisemitism that demonises the State of Israel and Zionism as sonme sort of existenmtial evil; as amongst the worst hukman rights abussrs in the world and the most racist state in the world.

    It is not, and the IHRA definition makes this very clear, antisemitic to condemn the Occupation of the West Bank and oppressive policies therein, the building of settlements, militasry actions in Gaza, discrimkination against the Arab minority in Isreal itself, the Nation-State LaW and the governmewnt of Netanaanyuu. The Jewish Labnour Movement who Greenstein has spend morst of his adult life trying to purde from thde Labnour Party takes all those positions.

    But since Labour is signed up to the IHRA definition which sees opposition to and demonisation of the essence of the State of Israel as froms of antisemitism then there can be no place in Labour for the likes of Tony Greensteain.

    As to his oppoistion tpo murder and torture, i wonder does that apply to a certain neighbnoring state of israel; namely Syria. Aliies of such as Chris Williamson, David Millerm, George Galloway and Vandessa Beely acts as pimps and prostitutes for the mass murdering Assad regime..

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    1. so there is nothing in that to show that Tony G is anti-Semitic, just that some people want to accuse him of it because he has at time used intemperate language. Labour expelled him not because he was anti-Semitic but because it had signed up to a PR body's definition of what antisemitism was. That is why there is no place in Labour for him, not because of antisemitism on his part. He simply refuses to accept the IHRA's skewed definition. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being opposed to the state of Israel or the state of France or the state of Germany. If he doesn't oppose the atrocities you refer to the final paragraph that leaves him open to allegations of hypocrisy not anti-Semitism.

      So rather than accuse him of being anti-Semitic, how about playing the ball rather than the man? He does address the crimes against humanity that the war crime regime of Israel has inflicted. Denying those atrocities or the war criminal essence of the Israeli state is in my view a worst transgression than opposing the existence of the state of Israel which is not a transgression at all.

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  5. This afrticle describes "the archetypal Israeli Jew as a racist bigot who revels in murder" it also describes Israel "as a nation of muderers£".

    Note that Tony Greenstein and Norman Finklestein are not refereking the israeli State of gvovernment but a nation of people in its entirety dismissing the many thousands of israelis who protested the Gazan wars and the threatened annexations of the West Bank settlements.

    Many commentators have condemned Isradeli sctions on the West Bank and Gaza and abhotred Israel's right wing nationalist difrection of travel wothout attributing collective respoinsibnility to an entire bnody of people.

    Would it be fair to label all Pakistani Musims as misoyginist bigots becaasie of its blasphdemy laws and anti-women laws? Are all Indian Hindus racist murderers because of President Modi psat involvemnt in anit-Miuslim pograms and current persecution of Musloms. Are all Burmese Buddhists racist genocidaires because of the atrocities committed by the military against the Royingha egged on by monks.

    Are all white Americans racists by dint of that country's original sin over slavery and the racism suffdered by genrations of African-Americanss?

    TYhere is hardly a state in the world that has engaged in conflict thst hsas not displayed a war criminal essence.

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  6. "the archetypal Israeli Jew as a racist bigot who revels in murder".

    Which is pretty much the image projected by the archetypal "Israeli" Jew onto the international screen. It is about Israeli Jews not all Jews.

    A "nation of murderers" - same issue all over again. The nation of Israel, not all Jews. They continuously vote into office war criminals who would not be out of kilter in the SS.

    There is a problem in ascribing culpability to everyone in any group. But the only solution is impractical - don't refer to any country by its name. The Israeli citizenry (the majority of which identify as Jewish) legitimise the occupation, the child murder, the lebensraum, the torture, the crimes against humanity. They can vote these people out and put in a government that will refrain from all those crimes.

    People can call Pakistan a nation of religious zealots on the grounds of what national policy is. It would be unfair to say that every individual in that nation is a religious zealot. Just as it would be unfair to say that every Israeli citizen in the nation of murderers is a murderer.

    I would not share his language and would in fact dissent from it but it is not the language of an anti Semite but the language of someone who has set his face against Israeli war crimes which are perpetrated by governments voted in by majorities of Israeli citizens.

    If there is hardly a state in the world that has not committed war crimes then what is your issue with the Israeli war criminals being described as such? A nation that claims to have arose from the gas chambers should not carry the calling card of those who built the gas chambers. warcriminal@crimesagainsthumanity.com



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  7. Barry,
    You're using blanket anti-Semitism to attack an individual, in my experience it doesn't wash with regular people. Some of his comments were childish, that's the worst I can say for them. I don't think it's fair to say they were slating a nation of people in it's entirety, merely pointing out these war crimes have massive support which they do.

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  8. Tony Greenstein has a long history of falsifying history to back his contentkion that, for example, that Zionists collaborated with Nazis to ensure that Zionists escaped the Holocuast.

    He also has a long history of delivering personal invective toswards people who challenge or disagtree with him. I can supply chapter and verse of his colourful career but I do not wish to bore TPQ readers.

    But one particulalry egregrious episode from his past stands pout. Tony was a member of an organisation called the British Anit-Ziomist Orgamisation (BAZO). BAZO was widely blamed for campaigns to ban Jewish student groups in the 197Os although it has always denmied that

    It argued that Zionists collaborated with the Nazis during World War II asnd that they encouraged antisemitism to the bendefit of Israel. According to Richard Burden, Labour MP for Birmingham Northfield, and on BAZO's Executicve Committee, BAZO was close to the National Unjion of Iraqi Students, a Ba'athist organisation excluded from the National Union of Students in 1979 due to its widespread involovement in the harassmewnt and violent imtimidation of dissident Iraqi students on behalf of Saddam Hussein's regime.

    By the 1980s, BAZO had been banned from NUS conferences for distributing material deemed to be antisemitic (Dave Rich "The Left's Jewish Problem" pp.99-100

    An interesting anecdote on the real nmature of the antizionist far left.

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  9. In his doctoral thesis and later book Mahmoud Abbas made a similar accusation. So the notion that Tony G falsified it is hardly sustainable. That does not make it true although would we be really surprised if it were? The Judenrat Council of the Jews was used by the Nazis to make the Holocaust go smoother. Although that was not the reason all Jews served on it. But given that the Zionism was land theft write large, morality of decision making was unlikely to concern it. This would make Tony G an anti-Zionist which is perfectly fine.

    And he has accused you pretty much of the same thing - holding views that are false merely to support a war crime regime.

    Tony G according to you dishes out personal abuse. Even if true (bearing in mind that it is a regular complaint of yours) that hardly makes him antisemitic.

    The rest of your comment is opinion or quoting somebody else’s opinion. BAZO is accused of saying something which BAZO denies. There is nothing in it to show that Tony G is antisemitic. Even if he is the biggest bollix ever born (and you are not even claiming that) it still doesn’t make him antisemitic.

    So, nothing in what you have said shoes Tony G to be antisemitic. He is antizionist, a most laudable position to take no matter what the Holocaust falsifiers claim.

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  10. I am anti-Occupation and antiantizionsit. Zionism at its base was/is a nationalist movement for the self-determination of Jews in the form of the establishment of a Jewish homeland and later the State of Israel.

    Like other nationalist movements, Zionism is ideologically diverse from the left Zionism of Paole Zion (Jewish Labour Movement which Tony Greenstein and his associates spent three decades trying to drive out of the British Labour Movement) to far-right Likud ethno-nationalism with many shades in bdetween

    Zionism is thus open to the critiques that are applicable to any othrt nationalist movement not elevation to the sort of cosmic, all-controlling evil that the Tony Greesnteins of this world engage in.

    Zionists purchased land in Palestine from the 1890s to before the outbreak of the Second World War. The dispossessions of Palestinians from their happened in the course of the 1948-49 war wnhich Israel's neighboring Arab states stasrted..

    Tbh, I can understand the reasons for oppostion to a Jewish homdeland in the 1920s and 1930s from Jewish Bundsits and assimilationists in Europpe. It was the Holocaust that made the creation of Israel an hisoric necessity ; a 'life-raft' state in the words of Isaac Deutscher.

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    1. None of this shows why Tony G is anti-Semitic. Nothing. It is as persuasive as Young Earth Creationism. The protection of Jews post WW2 was a human imperative. While the worst atrocity of the war happened to the Soviet people, their own government was in a position in 1945 to prevent any reoccurrence. The Jews did not have such a government. But they could have set up a state as part of a reparative and restorative project on German soil. That would have been most fitting. The Zionists were considering stealing land in Africa. In 1903 Herzl proposed stealing part of Kenya. After the war with the help of the British they simply stole Palestine and have ran a war crime regime ever since.
      You might not agree with Tony G or like his tone but there is absolutely no basis on the evidence you have presented thus far to your assertion that he is an anti-Semite.

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  11. Very few Jerws would have wanted to remain in Germany and East- CentraL Eurlope after 1945 and besides being Displaced Persons they would hardly in a position to start buildinvg such a state. Even the most Zionist sceptical Jew would have entertained such as a proposal not least bdecause of residual antisemitism in Europe which Jews who did try to return to former properties in Poland and Slovakia quickly discovered.

    Far from stealing Palestine after thde swar with the help of the British Jewish nationalist groiups sucha as Irgun and the Stern Gang actually fought the British in the three cornered civil war that took place in Palestine 1946-47 carrying out atrocities such as the King David Hotel bomb attack; the Brtish in turn hanged Jewish foghters. Modern Republicans may not rdecognise this but the Zionist fighters sytled ther campaign on that of Michael Collins.

    Zionism emerged as a response to persecution of Jews in the Russian pograms and evdents like the Dreyfus affair. They considered bnuyong land in Uganda (I think) and they eventually decided to buy land anmd settle in Palestine. They not steal land and enslave native peoples as European imperialists did.

    Israel came into being through a UN General Axsembly vote in November 1947. If Israel ran a war drime regime sicne its inception than the same can be said of all its Arab neighbours and Paldestine fedayeen groups.

    Tony G may not be personally antismemitic bnut he uses antismemitic tropes. But I guess that depenmds on onea's definmition of antisemitism.

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  12. Very few Jews would have wanted to resettle in Germany? Were they ever asked? I imagine it would have been sweet revenge. Most of them were European and Germany was obviously a much better option than their original land grab idea for Kenya. So because they didn't favour doing it in Germany they stole the Palestinian land and set up a war crime regime? The injustice reeks.
    They fought the British about specifics not in opposition to the British plan to help the land theft project.
    They did precisely what the European imperialists did - moved in, colonized the land, raped the women, massacred civilian populations and have been involved in in a colonialist expansionist project ever since.
    There is no "if" about the war crime regime. That the Arabs were no different is hardly mitigation. But once you run a war crime regime then the Nazi hat fits perfectly so you better be prepared for people noticing it. And again, not a thing to show that Tony G is anti-Semitic.
    Labelling people who oppose Israeli crimes against humanity, Israeli torture, Israeli Lebensraum, Israeli colonialism, Israeli expansionism, Israeli racism, as anti-Semitic is a smear tactic.

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  13. I would hazard a guess that those Jews who survived the Shoah and in Dispalced Camps in skeltal states would have trusted their European neighboufrs again. So emigragtion was the only option epen to them; the US and Britain was closed to them in the 1930s and 1940s so Palestine was the only realistic option. They would far rather have been given full equality in the countries they were massactred in in the forst place.

    As i have said so many times opposkng the Occupation, Gaza Wars and other Israli policies is not antismemitic and noone has ever pretenede that it is. But labelling Holocaust survivors who escaped to Palestrine as colonialists and demonisng Israel as an a priori swar crime regime smacks of it.

    I really do not thnik that tnis conversation helps anything. Anthony, you have your own views on Israel/Palestine which you are entitled to. I beleive in peace, security and justice for all who live in that territory. I also recognise that just as the slave trade is a permanent lacderation on the souls of people of African origin, that the Great Famine is permanently lodged in the psyche of Irish people, so the Holocaust and Nakba were historical traumas for Jews and Palestimian Atrabs respectively so it is best not to pick at the scabs of such wounds by making Nazi comparisons. The crimes of the Occupation and their documentation by B'stelem, Pdece Now and other israeli human right groups is sufficient commenentary

    Restricting Jewish immigration to Palestine through the White Paper of 1939 and turning back the refugee ship Exodus was a rather funny way for Britain to collaborate in the "land theft".

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