tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post3038757974817044793..comments2024-03-29T13:37:11.174+00:00Comments on TPQ: Israel Is Not Only The World’s Most Racist State ➤ It Is A Nation Of Murderers AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-64161346324266156532021-02-11T20:29:50.494+00:002021-02-11T20:29:50.494+00:00Barry,
"Zionists purchased land in Palestine...Barry,<br /><br />"Zionists purchased land in Palestine from the 1890s to before the outbreak of the Second World War. The dispossessions of Palestinians from their happened in the course of the 1948-49 war wnhich Israel's neighboring Arab states stasrted.."<br /><br />What the fuck are you talking about? The Irgun operated from at least 1931 and committed acts of slaughter against Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79630116089353504772021-02-11T20:10:41.673+00:002021-02-11T20:10:41.673+00:00Barry,
And no I do not defend a war crime regime ...Barry,<br /><br /><i>And no I do not defend a war crime regime because I accept the right of Israel to exist as a place of refuge for Jews</i><br /><br /><br />Then why do you defend Israel, who you have admitted they are a war crime regime ...?frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81139645643883978962021-02-11T14:45:27.442+00:002021-02-11T14:45:27.442+00:00just as in supporting the Blair government would b...just as in supporting the Blair government would be support for a war crime regime, whether such support was because of or in spite of the war crimes the regime perpetrated. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15329053265221647542021-02-11T14:44:03.940+00:002021-02-11T14:44:03.940+00:00Barry - therein lies the problem. The colonists ha...Barry - therein lies the problem. The colonists had no right to set up a state in someone else's land. <br />But you still support a war crime regime. You might not support its war crimes but you at least have to acknowledge that it is a war crime regime which you might support in spite of its war crimes. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18110592862754549712021-02-11T14:32:25.020+00:002021-02-11T14:32:25.020+00:00AM
"Zionism was land theft write large"...AM<br /><br />"Zionism was land theft write large"<br /><br />Land in pre-1948 Palestine was purchased by agencies such as the Jewish National Fund. The dispossession of Palestinian land and population took place in the 1948 war started by Israel's Arab neighbours after Israel became an independent state.<br /><br />And no I do not defend a war crime regime because I accept the Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22754012378374322492021-02-10T11:13:55.990+00:002021-02-10T11:13:55.990+00:00Barry - it will be instructive to see how he respo...Barry - it will be instructive to see how he responds. What you call obsessive, others would term meticulous. I doubt he has based his accusation of supporting IDF child abuse on what you flag up.<br />Nor is there any equivalence between the terror attacks of Hamas and the terror attacks of Israel. The Israelis are easily the greater aggressor by far in this exchange. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38035510786159719992021-02-10T00:16:12.205+00:002021-02-10T00:16:12.205+00:00Anthony
To take his last point; his accusation th...Anthony<br /><br />To take his last point; his accusation that Louise Ellman supports detention and abuse of Palestinian children (and by extension that I do as well) here is what Louise actually said:<br /><br />"My hon. Friend makes an important point, but does she accept that the context in which these situations occur is an organised campaign conducted by the Palestinian authorities of Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-70148420799386964992021-02-09T11:08:30.490+00:002021-02-09T11:08:30.490+00:00there are some very salient points there Barry? Sh...there are some very salient points there Barry? Should you not address?AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4525395526808702422021-02-09T11:03:55.770+00:002021-02-09T11:03:55.770+00:00Yawn!Yawn!Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73006182684807238952021-02-09T01:54:42.343+00:002021-02-09T01:54:42.343+00:00Barry also says:
'Tony Greenstein has a long h...Barry also says:<br />'Tony Greenstein has a long history of falsifying history to back his contentkion that, for example, that Zionists collaborated with Nazis to ensure that Zionists escaped the Holocuast.'<br /><br />Where does one start. Well Ben Gurion is a good place He was the first Israeli Prime Minister. He wrote to the his colleagues in Mapai on 9 December 1938, just after Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535403746278095439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29535451788571611472021-02-09T01:54:27.722+00:002021-02-09T01:54:27.722+00:00I have only just seen this. Obviously Barry Gilhea...I have only just seen this. Obviously Barry Gilheany calls me anti--Semitic. That is the standard trope. Anti-Zionism=Anti-Semitism and therefore I'm guilty.<br /><br />But he gets even his basic facts wrong. Although the use of 'Zio' which is simply short for 'Zionist' was among the reasons for my expulsion, the Labour Party barrister James Ogg was quite clear in his Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09535403746278095439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81803350063651258432020-06-10T19:17:33.051+01:002020-06-10T19:17:33.051+01:00I would hazard a guess that those Jews who survive...I would hazard a guess that those Jews who survived the Shoah and in Dispalced Camps in skeltal states would have trusted their European neighboufrs again. So emigragtion was the only option epen to them; the US and Britain was closed to them in the 1930s and 1940s so Palestine was the only realistic option. They would far rather have been given full equality in the countries they were Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26190384566030374972020-06-10T13:26:43.939+01:002020-06-10T13:26:43.939+01:00Very few Jews would have wanted to resettle in Ger...Very few Jews would have wanted to resettle in Germany? Were they ever asked? I imagine it would have been sweet revenge. Most of them were European and Germany was obviously a much better option than their original land grab idea for Kenya. So because they didn't favour doing it in Germany they stole the Palestinian land and set up a war crime regime? The injustice reeks.<br />They fought AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68944383687827180482020-06-10T11:59:44.751+01:002020-06-10T11:59:44.751+01:00Very few Jerws would have wanted to remain in Germ...Very few Jerws would have wanted to remain in Germany and East- CentraL Eurlope after 1945 and besides being Displaced Persons they would hardly in a position to start buildinvg such a state. Even the most Zionist sceptical Jew would have entertained such as a proposal not least bdecause of residual antisemitism in Europe which Jews who did try to return to former properties in Poland and Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38549135122346953672020-06-10T08:08:38.349+01:002020-06-10T08:08:38.349+01:00None of this shows why Tony G is anti-Semitic. Not...None of this shows why Tony G is anti-Semitic. Nothing. It is as persuasive as Young Earth Creationism. The protection of Jews post WW2 was a human imperative. While the worst atrocity of the war happened to the Soviet people, their own government was in a position in 1945 to prevent any reoccurrence. The Jews did not have such a government. But they could have set up a state as part of a AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62307032339209129912020-06-09T23:10:29.988+01:002020-06-09T23:10:29.988+01:00I am anti-Occupation and antiantizionsit. Zionism...I am anti-Occupation and antiantizionsit. Zionism at its base was/is a nationalist movement for the self-determination of Jews in the form of the establishment of a Jewish homeland and later the State of Israel.<br /><br />Like other nationalist movements, Zionism is ideologically diverse from the left Zionism of Paole Zion (Jewish Labour Movement which Tony Greenstein and his associates spent Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62724542125094380962020-06-07T07:26:48.764+01:002020-06-07T07:26:48.764+01:00In his doctoral thesis and later book Mahmoud Abb...In his doctoral thesis and later book Mahmoud Abbas made a similar accusation. So the notion that Tony G falsified it is hardly sustainable. That does not make it true although would we be really surprised if it were? The Judenrat Council of the Jews was used by the Nazis to make the Holocaust go smoother. Although that was not the reason all Jews served on it. But given that the Zionism was AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4827652139160645302020-06-06T16:06:25.106+01:002020-06-06T16:06:25.106+01:00Tony Greenstein has a long history of falsifying h...Tony Greenstein has a long history of falsifying history to back his contentkion that, for example, that Zionists collaborated with Nazis to ensure that Zionists escaped the Holocuast.<br /><br />He also has a long history of delivering personal invective toswards people who challenge or disagtree with him. I can supply chapter and verse of his colourful career but I do not wish to bore TPQ Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50925360597707875192020-06-05T21:05:06.931+01:002020-06-05T21:05:06.931+01:00Barry,
You're using blanket anti-Semitis...Barry,<br /> You're using blanket anti-Semitism to attack an individual, in my experience it doesn't wash with regular people. Some of his comments were childish, that's the worst I can say for them. I don't think it's fair to say they were slating a nation of people in it's entirety, merely pointing out these war crimes have massive support which they do. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13987739904946217752020-06-05T21:00:14.699+01:002020-06-05T21:00:14.699+01:00"the archetypal Israeli Jew as a racist bigot..."the archetypal Israeli Jew as a racist bigot who revels in murder".<br /><br />Which is pretty much the image projected by the archetypal "Israeli" Jew onto the international screen. It is about Israeli Jews not all Jews. <br /><br />A "nation of murderers" - same issue all over again. The nation of Israel, not all Jews. They continuously vote into office war AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54920695591258932832020-06-05T18:14:22.579+01:002020-06-05T18:14:22.579+01:00This afrticle describes "the archetypal Israe...This afrticle describes "the archetypal Israeli Jew as a racist bigot who revels in murder" it also describes Israel "as a nation of muderers£". <br /><br />Note that Tony Greenstein and Norman Finklestein are not refereking the israeli State of gvovernment but a nation of people in its entirety dismissing the many thousands of israelis who protested the Gazan wars and the Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88356253660105124422020-06-05T14:15:30.596+01:002020-06-05T14:15:30.596+01:00so there is nothing in that to show that Tony G is...so there is nothing in that to show that Tony G is anti-Semitic, just that some people want to accuse him of it because he has at time used intemperate language. Labour expelled him not because he was anti-Semitic but because it had signed up to a PR body's definition of what antisemitism was. That is why there is no place in Labour for him, not because of antisemitism on his part. He simply AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57789352047060182352020-06-05T13:29:03.936+01:002020-06-05T13:29:03.936+01:00From Dave Rich "The Left's Jewish Problem...From Dave Rich "The Left's Jewish Problem. Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Antisemitism" 2018 p. 314<br /><br />"Tony Greenstein was eventually expelled from the :Labour Party, almost two years after being suspencded for difrecting antisemitic, sexist and racist abuse towards fellow Labour Party mkemers"<br /><br />From Prof Alan Johnson, "Institutional Antisemitism. Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68361634957181123122020-06-05T09:17:21.979+01:002020-06-05T09:17:21.979+01:00I have yet to see Tony Goldstein make one anti-Sem...I have yet to see Tony Goldstein make one anti-Semitic comment. He has consistently slammed Israeli repression, war crimes, crimes against humanity. None of that makes him an anti-Semite. Calling critics of Nazi like barbarism anti-Semitic is simply a labelling strategy designed to deflect attention away from what is being criticised. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31467375122330851912020-06-05T08:58:52.901+01:002020-06-05T08:58:52.901+01:00Barry,
You make my my point for me. People a...Barry,<br /> You make my my point for me. People automatically jump to Israel defence and they always say the same things, Israel is a liberal democracy etc without addressing the points. If you think it's ridiculous to call Israel the most racist state that's fine, fair standpoint but to put in the author is anti-Semitic, liberal democracy, holocaust etc is cultish and takes away Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.com