Nick Cohen Writing From LondonRecommended by Kate Yo.

The UK's Authoritarian Hypocrisies

Yesterday afternoon the British police charged Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh from the Irish language hip-hop group Kneecap with a terrorism offence.

His case has every chance of turning into a spectacular example of political and cultural hypocrisy. Today’s left and right want freedom for their supporters to incite violence but not for their political opponents.

Neither side is willing to accept that free societies should set the bar for state censorship high if they wish to remain free. Neither side is even willing to admit the existence of their own double standards.

We, however, can talk frankly. Let’s start with the left and those brave Kneecap boys.

Liam Barker, a now elderly victim of the IRA, Liam Barker tried to persuade people to shun the band by telling the BBC how the provos kneecapped him. A gang of masked men beat him unconscious with hammers for joyriding when he was 15. They attempted to blow his knees off. But the gun jammed. So, they dropped paving slabs on his legs instead.

Kneecap are “making a living out of other people's misery,” he said. 

Left-Wing Irish Bigots And Right-Wing British Bigots 🪶 Is Free Speech Only For My Tribe?

Nick Cohen Writing From LondonRecommended by Kate Yo.

The UK's Authoritarian Hypocrisies

Yesterday afternoon the British police charged Liam Óg Ó hAnnaidh from the Irish language hip-hop group Kneecap with a terrorism offence.

His case has every chance of turning into a spectacular example of political and cultural hypocrisy. Today’s left and right want freedom for their supporters to incite violence but not for their political opponents.

Neither side is willing to accept that free societies should set the bar for state censorship high if they wish to remain free. Neither side is even willing to admit the existence of their own double standards.

We, however, can talk frankly. Let’s start with the left and those brave Kneecap boys.

Liam Barker, a now elderly victim of the IRA, Liam Barker tried to persuade people to shun the band by telling the BBC how the provos kneecapped him. A gang of masked men beat him unconscious with hammers for joyriding when he was 15. They attempted to blow his knees off. But the gun jammed. So, they dropped paving slabs on his legs instead.

Kneecap are “making a living out of other people's misery,” he said. 

11 comments:

  1. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  2. The first comment on that piece is pretty accurate though I would add that any form of censorship particularly of artists is to be abhorred.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Do you believe Steve that the right to free speech allows for a bye when the words spoken may be an incitement to violence?
      And why would you not require equality before the law?

      Delete
    2. Words may inflame but of themselves they are not violent. If a person says something that would incite others then that idea should should be held up to ridicule and interrogation. Banning speech never ends in anything for the betterment of society, usually only for the benefit of Governments who prefer to quash dissent. I would no more charge Kneecap than I would the far right or militant Islamists.

      Delete
    3. But if words are used to incite people to kill other people, the fear of being killed would be enough to stop people speaking freely. I don't have the right to say anything with the intent that it would lead another person to go off and kill you.

      Delete
    4. We are each responsible for our own actions. Blaming someone else for my actions due to being 'incited' by another's speech wouldn't nor shouldn't hold much weight in Law.

      Delete
    5. we are each responsible for our own actions. How does that square with seeking the protection of the law for the purposes of not being held accountable for our own actions - in demanding that there are no consequences?
      Would you abolish incitement to hatred laws? What if I urge you to go out and kill a Trans person and you follow through is there no action on my part for which I should be held to account?
      I wrote this piece many years ago about the issue. It is very much shaped by the AC Grayling perspective which to me brings clarity and balance to the matter at hand.

      Delete
    6. "But given its fundamental importance, the default has to be that free speech is inviolate except … where the dots are filled in with a specific, strictly limited, case-by-case, powerfully justified, one-off set of utterly compelling reasons why in this particular situation alone there must be a restraint on speech. Note the words specific strictly limited case-by-case powerfully justified one-off utterly compelling this particular situation alone."

      This while articulate strays into the unworkable. I mean, how could anyone possibly agree to what is covered? And that's the wedge that would be used by bad actors to stifle dissent-in fairness he does see this problem.

      Delete
    7. His point is that there are limits and they have to be assessed on a case by case basis. He does not feel there can be absolute free speech even if the conditions he lays down might be challenging.

      Delete
  3. 'In the begining there was the word ...'
    When putting flesh on our words we need to be mindful of the consequences. The constraint of law helps keep us in check and needs to be applied evenly. When law is not applied it is diminished.

    Let's conduct s thought experiment: If I were a 'Billy Boy'of some standing and influence amongst Belfast Loyalists, Scottish Loyalists, and English National Front militants and were to call for the killing of Kneecap members would you be OK with that?

    Would my right to free expression trump their right to safety?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. That would be in incitement to violence and murder which is ipso facto criminal.

      Delete