I have no problem standing my ground and arguing my position. I have a lifetime of experience arguing for what I believe in.
But telling me to leave Britain because you don’t like my views on Brexit and open borders only proves my point, not yours. That behind all the talk about sovereignty (as if Britain was a colony) and border control (in a country with toughest immigration rules already) Brexit appeals to a visceral small-mindedness and xenophobia.
If an argument can be won by telling those with opposing views to leave, shall I suggest you leave? If you cannot accept a culture of freethought and inquiry, doubt and dissent then you should go to a country where they use deportations to handle dissent against government policy or where they arrest anyone who disagrees with the state.
And if you are so concerned about people being grateful, maybe you should be more grateful to all the migrants who put food on your table, deliver your packages and prop up the NHS.
Your words not mine: It would be ‘nice to weed out the ungrateful and incompatible’.
See how this works? Being entitled and superior because of a lottery of birth makes a poor argument and reveals so much about the bigotry within.
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Brexiteers are narrow-minded bigots and xenophobes and the entire Brexit project was a right-wing English nationalist coup financed by dark money and facilitated by Putin's troll army. Chickens already coming home to roost.
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ReplyDelete"Brexit project was a right-wing English nationalist coup financed by dark money and facilitated by Putin's troll army."
And you call Larry a 'conspiracy theorist'...?
Frankie/AM
DeleteI could also point to the use made by Vote Leave and Leave.EU of illegally harvested data from Facebook by Cambridge Analytica financed by the right-wing American millionaire Robert Mercer; the £375,000 donation to the Leave cause by the DUP through the Constitutional Review Group; the £700,000 fine levied on Vote Leave by the Electoral Commission for the largest known breach of finance campaign law in British history.
In the words of the Cambridge Analytica insider Christopher Wylie, Brexit was a crime scene in which the so-called 'patriots of "British law and sovereignty" from the "faceless" and "undemocratic" European Union, decided to win a vote by subverting those very laws. They did this by deploying a web of companies associated with Cambridge Analytica in overseas jurisdictions, away from the scrutiny of the agencies charged with the defence of the democratic process and outcome in the UK (Christopher Wylie (2019. 'Mindf*ck. Inside Cambridge Analytica's Plot to Break the World, p.173. Profile Books, London).
So I am not describing a conspiracy myth but one of the most brazen (and sadly successful) plots against democratic institutions in the West.
The same cast of characters were then involved in getting Trump elected to the White House; the alliance of Big Money, Alt-Right ideology and the Kitsonian psyops Russian disinformation brigades.
The core of Brexiteer 'take our country back" English nationalist bigotry is of course laid out bare in that exchange with Maryam Namazie.
Barry - no doubt there is a lot of that and Brexit was a right led project. But those it led were not all red neck reactionaries. That would leave Labour traditionally depending on a lot of reactionary bigots. Brexit in my view was wrong but not everybody who backed it was a raving English nationalist. A lot of people were mightily fed up with leaders who seemed unable to protect their standard of living but seemed quite able to protect Brussels bureaucrats.
DeleteBarry - Frankie beat me to it. I think you sound every bit as conspiratorial as Larry has managed to. I just smile at conspiracy theorists, mumble something about Elvis and wish them a nice day. I don't engage with them on any serious level.
ReplyDeleteSo have a nice day and may Elvis score for Leeds in the next game!!!
Anthony, I've seen your 'Elvis is still working the chippy comments'...I could make a very plausible argument the king didn't die on the throne Aug 77 with out sounding like wing nit...
ReplyDeleteHe isn't dead at all Frankie. Playing for Drogheda Utd at the minute as far as I know
DeleteIf your view of life comes from the BBC and MSM and you think someone with the word Sir in front of his name is a working clsss hero... words fail me..
ReplyDeleteElvis for a hatric this Saturday even money.
Arise Sir Larry!
DeleteMackers I much prefer Squire as in 'Squire Dannagher' only in midget format of course.
ReplyDeleteLarry - I prefer you as Friar Tuck
DeleteMackers Friar Tuck never cooked like me...
ReplyDeletenor as much as you
DeleteMy one pack is a work of culinary art.
ReplyDeleteI keep in shape too. Unfortunately this weeks shape is a sack of spuds.
DeleteBarry,
ReplyDeleteWhen did the UK vote to join the EU? As far as I know the UK had a plebicite in 1973 to join the Common Market but since the EU was only established in 1993, when was this vote?
Steve R
ReplyDeleteThe UK voted by a majority of two-thirds of votes cast in June 1975 to join what was then the European Economic Community (EEC) which has developed into the European Union.
I have previously stated that I would not have opposed referenda to ratify the Treaties of Maastricht, Amsterdam and Lisbon or to join the Euro. The 2016 referendum was flawed on so many levels.
..." which has developed into the European Union."
ReplyDeleteSo there was no 'actual' vote for the UK to join the EU. In fact, the UK wasn't even one of the original 6 founding countries, was it? But it was the slow creep by stealth of absorbing the UK without the referenda
which also feeds into the Brexit mindset. Flinging shit at the Brexit lot as being rightwing nationalist little Englander bigots is far short of the whole picture. But it's an easy target to have a go at the locals who have witnessed a tidal wave of immigrants come in from the Eastern bloc, fucking over royally the NHS and the welfare state while driving crime through the roof.
Not all immigrants are bad nor are they good. Same as the people who voted for Brexit.
"But it's an easy target to have a go at the locals who have witnessed a tidal wave of immigrants come in from the Eastern bloc, fucking over royally the NHS and the welfare state while driving crime through the roof."
DeleteThe NHS and the Social Care sectors would collapse without overseas labour including Eastern Europe. Where, Steve R, is your evidence that immigrants disproportionately claim benefits or commit crimes? Sounds like the dogwhistle claims that powered the entire machinery of Vote Leave lying and misinformation which won the vote.
Besides Eastern Europeans, like all previous generations of immigrants, did the jobs particularly in the fruit farms of East Anglia that Brits did not want to do (legitimate choice); so please dispense with "they're taking our jobs" palaver.
There are East European scammers for sure but there are plenty of home grown ones as well. I worked with a lot of Romanians years ago: the best of guys. I always admired their resolve to get the job done and to pull people out of a spot. Bonded really well with them so I never buy this notion that they are any better or worse than ourselves.
DeleteI wonder Barry how the health service here would function without people from India, Pakistan and places like that. My recent hospital procedures have all been in their hands. Brilliant at their job.
Over the years I have come to value as the most important thing a society can have is a state of the art health service.