Enda Craig
Some years ago as chairman of my local gun-club I received a phone call from a solicitor's office enquiring if the club would have any interest in a substantial amount of sporting rights being offered for sale by the representatives of the Shaftesbury Estates. 


A meeting of the members ( 100+ ) was called to discuss.

I was instructed to respond that the club was not interested in paying for rights that had been stolen from our locality in the first instance and in fact it would make more sense for the Shaftesbury Estates to forward rent to the local landowners for the confiscation and use of the said mentioned rights over this past three hundred and fifty years.

A fortnight later the same solicitor made contact again stating that the Shaftsbury Estates would prefer that the rights should return to the locality but in any event there were three other sporting groups now interested.

If the local gun club did not buy them then they would go elsewhere.

It was decided to obtain a copy of the Charter/Deed and seek legal opinion as to their legality.

The feeling was the Brits were long gone, we had gained our independence, declared ourselves a Republic and the 350 year old Charter had to be worthless at this stage.

To this end, and to be sure, I made arrangements to have them assessed by a very highly regarded SC in Dublin.

At a subsequent meeting in Dublin I was informed that the Charter/Deed was indeed legitimate and would withstand any challenge at any level in any court in the land.

I was given a letter to this effect.

When I enquired how this could be and mentioning the points above the SC stated these arrangements were agreed in the Treaty negotiations of 1922.

I am also aware that Lough Foyle, (dividing counties Derry and Donegal) with its fisheries, sea-bed, soil and waters all belong to the Crown Estates as a consequence of a Royal Charter.

The question arises: What exactly did the Irish people Really get/achieve as a result of the 1922 treaty negotiations?

Royal Charters, ground rents, turbary rights and all in a small area of East Inishowen. 

If this is replicated the length and breadth of the country it paints a strange picture.

Looks like a significant commercial agreement was assembled by the elites on both sides with the country being held in safekeeping for the departing coloniser with the local elites being well taken care of and the rest of us plebs left to squabble over the loose change.

In point of fact Ireland could be classed as a Suzerain state.

➽ Enda Craig is spokesperson for Lough Foyle group, Community For A Clean Estuary.

Are English Royal Charters Still Legitimate In Ireland?

Enda Craig
Some years ago as chairman of my local gun-club I received a phone call from a solicitor's office enquiring if the club would have any interest in a substantial amount of sporting rights being offered for sale by the representatives of the Shaftesbury Estates. 


A meeting of the members ( 100+ ) was called to discuss.

I was instructed to respond that the club was not interested in paying for rights that had been stolen from our locality in the first instance and in fact it would make more sense for the Shaftesbury Estates to forward rent to the local landowners for the confiscation and use of the said mentioned rights over this past three hundred and fifty years.

A fortnight later the same solicitor made contact again stating that the Shaftsbury Estates would prefer that the rights should return to the locality but in any event there were three other sporting groups now interested.

If the local gun club did not buy them then they would go elsewhere.

It was decided to obtain a copy of the Charter/Deed and seek legal opinion as to their legality.

The feeling was the Brits were long gone, we had gained our independence, declared ourselves a Republic and the 350 year old Charter had to be worthless at this stage.

To this end, and to be sure, I made arrangements to have them assessed by a very highly regarded SC in Dublin.

At a subsequent meeting in Dublin I was informed that the Charter/Deed was indeed legitimate and would withstand any challenge at any level in any court in the land.

I was given a letter to this effect.

When I enquired how this could be and mentioning the points above the SC stated these arrangements were agreed in the Treaty negotiations of 1922.

I am also aware that Lough Foyle, (dividing counties Derry and Donegal) with its fisheries, sea-bed, soil and waters all belong to the Crown Estates as a consequence of a Royal Charter.

The question arises: What exactly did the Irish people Really get/achieve as a result of the 1922 treaty negotiations?

Royal Charters, ground rents, turbary rights and all in a small area of East Inishowen. 

If this is replicated the length and breadth of the country it paints a strange picture.

Looks like a significant commercial agreement was assembled by the elites on both sides with the country being held in safekeeping for the departing coloniser with the local elites being well taken care of and the rest of us plebs left to squabble over the loose change.

In point of fact Ireland could be classed as a Suzerain state.

➽ Enda Craig is spokesperson for Lough Foyle group, Community For A Clean Estuary.

4 comments:

  1. It's the same situation wherever they left; they retained rights over the production of rubber in Burma and rights over previous metals/stones/oil etc in other countries. In addition, occupied countries paid huge sums in compensation to english who lost land or property when they left.

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  2. Seemingly it is also the case at Lough Neagh the bed of the lough is owned by a London company. Sand boats require license.

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  3. Surely now they could just rip it up?

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  4. IRISH GOVT AND LOUGHS AGENCY ARE THE NEW LANDLORDS OF LOUGH FOYLE ... EXTORTING RENT FOR THE CROWN.......
    By attempting to to arrange a LEASE with the Crown Estates the Irish Govt and the Loughs Agency are accepting that ownership of the seabed of Lough Foyle belongs to the Crown of England.
    They are in fact acting as latter day landlords and ' Carpet Baggers ' for the Crown of England as they extort the cost of fishing licences from local fishermen which will be used to pay the cost of the rent to an absentee landlord.
    They attempt to hide the truth by referring to the LEASE as a ' management agreement ' but let there be no doubt about it this is simply a shameful cover-up.

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