Former Blanket columnist and Radical Unionist commentator, Dr John Coulter, is a strong advocate of the death penalty for convicted cop-killers. In this controversially written article, he sets out his case for the return of the rope and electric chair. This article appeared in the 4th February 2013 edition of the Irish Daily Star.
Hang ‘Em High! The famous Clint Eastwood Western title should be the new joint policy of the Dail and Stormont for convicted vermin who murder police officers, such as Detective Garda Adrian Donohoe.
And if I was Taoiseach or First Minster, I would have the convicted killers of my close chum PSNI Constable Steven Carroll dangling from the hangman’s noose rather than serving jail terms in cosy Maghaberry.
Sadly, if the Northern parties cannot get a permanent resolution to the Union flag dispute before the Loyalist Marching Season kicks off over Easter, it’s only a matter of time before a copper is killed.
The hunt for the scum who murdered Garda Donohoe has become a cross-border operation, so we need an all-island law to dish out the death penalty for convicted thugs who kill police officers, whether on and off duty.
The time for pussy footing around with these scumbag ‘crims’ is over. The gloves must come off. Coppers have human rights, too.
Every school pupil should be shown the Tom Hanks Hollywood blockbuster, The Green Mile, which shows executions using the electric chair – often dubbed Old Sparky – in an American prison death row.
With all this European Court and Convention of Human Rights, there’s no chance the death penalty will be granted for any convicted murder.
That would be another advantage of Ireland and the UK dumping Europe – we could all re-introduce capital punishment for convicted cop killers.
There would be no lily-livered Eurocrats telling our judges how to punish the trash of society.
How much dosh was wasted looking after convicted cop killers on both sides of the Irish border during the conflict? How many new nursing or teaching jobs could that have created? How many new schools and hospitals could that money have opened?
Just as there is a hierarchy of victims for the Troubles, there’s also a hierarchy of crimes which deserve execution as the only sane response – and top of the list is murdering peelers.
Given the heinous brutality of how both Garda and RUC/PSNI officers have been killed, death by lethal jab seems a cop-out form of execution; just gently dozing off into a permanent sleep.
And the Dail and Stormont must not make the same blunder which General Maxwell – often dubbed Bloody Maxwell – committed in 1916 when he had the main leaders of the Dublin Easter Rising shot by firing squad.
Maxwell was warned not to shoot the rebel leaders, even though Britain was knee-deep in the blood and guts of World War One at the time. By shooting them, in a matter of seconds he converted them from irritating idealists into legendary martyrs.
Imagine how dissident republicans or violent loyalists would be portrayed as heroes if they were shot by firing squad after being convicted of murdering coppers?
Perhaps the real answer to the scourge of cop killers is to form unique all-island special forces units with the legal powers to shoot on sight any known murderer.
And before all you trendy liberals out there start mouthing off about the evils of a ‘shoot to kill’ policy, just get an eyeful of the terrific Hollywood flick in the cinemas presently, Zero Dark Thirty – the no-nonsense tale of how international terrorist Osama bin Laden was hunted down and executed.
If US President Obama, one of the most liberal holders of the Oval Office in the history of America, can order the ‘shoot to kill’ execution of bin Laden, surely Stormont and the Dail should have no conscience about ridding Ireland of the social cancer of cop killing?
Ireland is already a dangerous world in which to be a bobby on the beat. The buggers who murder our police officers must get it though their thick skulls – kill one of our coppers, and you die either fry in the chair if caught, or gunned down in the streets or your bed by special units.
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John what would you do to those who create and inflame situations which lead to the deaths of cops,if we follow your line of thinking then Paisley and quite a few of his cronies would have been either strung up or fried including Pete the punt had the garda they hammered in Clontibret died,or is it just the patsies you would have executed?
ReplyDelete"Perhaps the real answer to the scourge of cop killers is to form unique all-island special forces units with the legal powers to shoot on sight any known murderer."
ReplyDeleteOh that is priceless! I wonder what policy gem John Coulter will come up with next. What about arming all children with assault rifles to prevent school massacres?
What about killer cops?
ReplyDelete1) You argue that 'coppers have human rights', yet a few sentences later you argue another advantage of leaving the Council of Europe (and the EU) would be the ability to re-introduce capital punishment and neglect the ECHR and its treaty.
ReplyDeleteSo, must we assume that once a person has committed a crime, he/she does not deserve to enjoy human rights?
2) The statement in which is implied that prisoners have it 'cosy' seems to be quite populist. Prison sentences have tremendous negative effects on an individual.
3) There's no sense in re-introducing capital punishment: several studies have shown it has no effect on crime.
4) Your priorities should be to safeguard society against dangerous people: imprisonment does this.
Now, your comparison with the killing of the AQ leader is not completely correct: even comparing it to the IRA would be tricky, as they have different goals, a different structure and different methods.
The killing of Bin Laden was to decapitate the organization, this would be ratherout of bloodthirst.
John, It is no longer legal to shoot/Hang/Gas, or, what ever other means you could think of, But the major problem is, The cop killers (Ruc)/Ruc Special Branch are being protected, but I am also against the death penalty, as for those killers (Ruc/Ruc Special Branch, They should be brought before a court with a 12 person jury and state as to why they murdered innocent Catholic civilians.
ReplyDelete'A hierarchy of crimes'
ReplyDeleteYes. And would you mark those cops who shot to kill, provided loyalists with the arms and intelligence to kill and covered up killings down for the noose or chair John? Or are these crimes rated low on your list.
PS. Your comments about Obama being liberal would've been funny had I not realised you were serious.
So John coulter would have all those RAF members killed who murdered Afgan and Iraqi cops on their bombing runs and those that ordered the bombings and the overall commander in chief would be a gonner as well-
ReplyDelete" if i was Taoiseach or First minister,i would have the convicted
killers of my close chum Psni constable Steven Carroll dangling from the hangmans noose "
The Taoiseach or First minister have no such powers and no way of getting that power- those two who were covicted are up before the appeal court-seems that John Coulters blood lust would come before due process- with him looking more innocents killed-but not by his own hands-the coward-
I got the impression that Dr. Coulter was asked to gussy up his opinion with hyperbole to make what he feels more popular with the lunch-pail crowd.
ReplyDeleteIt's safer to get the rabble inflamed by this kind of thing than it is to allow them to get upset about their declining living standards.
Coulter,
ReplyDeleteloves to shock and provoke. His arguments show a blind ignorance of the Irish republican psyche. The method of excution matters not to how the patriot is percived by to the people. Hang then or shoot them either way you create a martyr.
Hey John, Here is one for you, and, I can Relate to him, actually, I would LIKE TO MEET HIM!, he's one of your own, but to me he is a human being trying to find work.
ReplyDeleteFrom riches to rags: One Belfast man's journey to find work
being such a high roller as yourself, could you give, or, get this genuine bloke a job, even if its a security guard at stormont.
Ken Morrow, 56, from east Belfast is unemployed. and WANTS a JOB
The pure crap that comes out of this man is unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteThe world's worst mass murdering gangs are dressed in uniform.
It does sound like John wants a dictatorship were he gets to make rash and hypocritical decisions as to who lives or dies.
Calling Maghaberry "cosy" and Obama a "liberal" did just make me laugh .....the idea that daily strip searches and limited movement and association are cosy...i would not like to see John's cosy nights in with the family!!!
Obama...the man who uses drones to carry out his weekly bloodlust and murder indiscriminately ...why wouldn't you admire his morals?
RE:’ Perhaps the real answer to the scourge of cop killers is to form unique all-island special forces units with the legal powers to shoot on sight any known murderer.’
ReplyDeleteYou are really off the air John bigtime but perhaps it be driven by grief of loss that has created a surge of vengeful, illogical babblings... I notice you didn’t inject your token mention of Christ in this article – u figured it wouldn’t fit your agenda this time. Eye for an eye does not exactly encapsulate the words of Jesus does it now...
The taking out of cops within a Brit system on Irish soil is intended as a potent, symbolic act AND it is execution format. NB I believe it be murder of the utterly futile kind as times have changed & viable, non violent options of resistance available - but those engaged in ongoing adherence to the green book never will change...
NB Futility because the more powerful bombs & bullets are our minds and spirit unified with others in a common cause. If the younger generation r educated in options rather than glorification of murder in the name of liberty, exposed to the thoughts/convictions of Anthony and others who have done the hard yards more than most, then there would be genuine hope for a cohesive, sane approach to ending cop killings...
Who created terrorism John and who assisted CIA training up including funding Osama Bin Laden/Al Queda/Taliban? Re your eagerness for a ‘shoot to kill’ policy Well we all know what happens there ... it has all been done before on our people. What Alec wrote in his comment Read it and read it again and again til you understand...
I am sad for you that you lost a friend who died in a brutal way but to write an article like this does nothing to rectify or change it happening again...Charged up ramblings are best left til the pain and sting of grief has subsided to manageable levels – else it clogs rational thinking.
I am also sad knowing young lads r banged up for no reason other than believing in an ideology, sad that Marion Price rots in a brit system, sad that our people who dissent r monitored 24/7, sad that Ireland has become more of a toxic shithole than ever before, sad for the hopelessness on the younger generation, sad for all Catholics and Ex catholics because we were dudded by the delusions of man playing God, sad that sectarianism is still alive. Sad knowing that even writing what i write will be sniffed over by a chinless wonder. Yep it is one big SAD - sad for so much. Are you?
PS Tribe of Dan hallmarks – demand for Justice and impatience Quick to attack literally in physical violence.. Symbol – Justice scales woven around with a snake. We indigenous Iriish are from the tribe of Dan You would do well to understand what burns within the psyche.
John - google The Martyr by Immortal Technique. Watch it John and u/stand what needs to be addressed. Eye for an eye will never cut it ultimately... Here is link to video
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZwYNxGfSKw
Brilliant piece John I couldn’t agree more, we have become pussey cats and left our once proud manliness behind. We laughed at the way women became all emotional and stood up for the all scum bags and now we have men shouting from the rooftops don’t hurt them have rights they are really misguided, what a load of absolute shit. Scum that shoot another human being or commit acts of a sexual nature on others especially children should be hung drawn and quartered.
ReplyDeleteI have just arrived back from a friends house whose neighbour was robbed and left hanging on for dear life, the poor little sweethearts clubbed him with his own hammer and jimmy bar because they and others feel its their right to rob people of they hard earned money. They probably will never be caught but if they were, the do gooders would be rushing to help the Bastards with free legal aid at the tax payer’s expense
Hang em and hang em High
And what would we have said to the relatives of the Birmingham six,had the Daily mirror and the hang em brigade got their way...ooops, sorry!
ReplyDeleteAn eye for an eye philosophy has been on this earth since the beginning of time and republicans have used this philosophy as justification for the execution of informers and such for generations. While I do not personally agree with capital punishment, nevertheless some crimes warrant an eye for an eye approach. But until we have a justice system that is 100% impartial, that guilt is 100% proven, that there is no doubt whatsoever that the accused is guilty, when we live in a normal society free from foreign influence and when we, the Irish people ourselves alone, decide and implement our own laws, then and only then could our society even consider the option of capital punishment.
ReplyDeleteAch, good on Dr. Coulter winding it all up again but, a PHd. calling for us to leave the EU as a means to re-introduce the death penalty misses the point of the 28th Amendment to Bunreacht na hÉireann.
ReplyDeleteI'd be no fan of euro-federalism, and have gladly voted against Lisbon/FCT but even if/when we do remove ourselves from the rich boy's club we'd still have our own peoples sense of fairness, and memory of convicted Irish women/men whose convictions for killing state security forces have been overturned, which might be more difficult for us to accept.
Grizzly's twitter a/c becomes more bizzre by the day . Even nuttier than the JC !
ReplyDeleteAnthony,
ReplyDeleteI was just browsing around the internet when I came across this rather excellent portrait of you by our old friend Professor Brian Clarke, aka the Shit Man.
I'll tell you one thing: despite my recent difficulties, reading the demented ramblings of John Coulter, Pierce Martin and the Shit Man makes me feel pretty sane indeed!
Alfie; thanks to you I opened that link in a place I really shouldnt have!
ReplyDeleteBrilliant artistry at work there - who is it? Prince Harry?
"we have become pussey cats and left our once proud manliness behind. We laughed at the way women became all emotional and stood up for the all scum bags and now we have men shouting from the rooftops don’t hurt them have rights they are really misguided,"
ReplyDelete@Boyne Rover - Did you really just equate "manliness" with having no respect for human rights?
The obviously emotional women who cried because of their delicate feelings and inclination to be"pussycats" ?
What kind of draconian sexist bullshit is that?
Aine.
ReplyDeleteYourself and other women outstayed a lot of so called hard MEN, to me, all women ex prisoners must be given the respect they are due, Hard as nails.
How many men cried and gave in?, the women didn't.
This is now a so called free society, free from sexual discrimination. I stand by that.
Brian Clarkes portrait of our Anthony is class he should have added the legend "For you The var it is over" ya must be doing something really right a cara when they go to such lenghts to demonise you,nice one Alfie.
ReplyDeleteAine
ReplyDelete“What kind of draconian sexist bullshit is that?”
As men we have lost the will to speak out and fight for what is right and wrong.
Any man will admit in private that people who murder rape and plunder should be put in a hole and covered up if that is draconian then so be it.
On the sexist remark I stand by it most definitely, most of the do gooders that are shouting for human rights for the scumbags are women.
As for the bullshit well it’s my opinion and I intend to defend the rights of my family to go about their daily business and sleep soundly in their beds no matter what.
The Provo’s killed and maimed thousands so that there political representatives could get Stormont back up and running again, were they could impose British rule more rigidly ….Were they not a tad draconian ????
Alfie/Marty,
ReplyDeleteI pay not the slightest attention to any of it.
@ boyne rover – the fact that you relate speaking out and fighting as a male characteristic illustrates the overt sexism I pointed out.
ReplyDeleteI am not arguing that people who rape/kill should go unpunished the point of John’s article was that the cop killers should be rooted out and shot on sight ( and all the other inane b/s that made up this article)….. that I disagree with….
To say that most “do gooders” are females again is just your perception there are plenty of men doing the same thing. But it’s nice to see that you stand by your sexism.
Your rhetoric of defending yourself and the right of your family to go about their daily business….. Who would these people be that are denying your current right to do so?
Your last point I believe is a good one for debate because I don’t believe that those who campaigned in armed resistance did so to establish Stormont ….. the ‘politicians’ did that – which to be honest would be more just the brit style of doing things rather than a draconian approach….
@justmackers
I disagree that there exists anywhere on our planet a “free society” …………. It is most definitely not free of sexual discrimination. But that is a whole other topic completely .
Aine; why are you wasting your time trying to debate with a misogynistic dinosaur?
ReplyDeleteIts like trying to play scrabble with Willie Frazer. Just won't work.
Aine & Belfast Bookworm,
ReplyDeleteAnthony gave me some good advice a long time ago which I only recently put into practice after many fruitless discussions:
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."
There is no point in a dialogue unless both parties are open to the possibility that they are wrong.
@belfast bookworm .......thank you i did ask myself the same question. I really should have known better !!
ReplyDelete@Alfie ..... very true it's a discussion in futility!!
Aine; George Galloway was lambasted recently for walking away from an Israeli Zionist who challenged Galloway on his support for Palestine.
ReplyDeleteGalloway said he refuses to acknowledge the state of Israel & those who claim to be it's people, he just doesn't debate as it and they are non-entities.
I thought it was a brilliant move on Galloways part so I'm trying to put it into practice!
Alfie; I'm getting that quote framed!
ReplyDeleteI generally have a low tolerance for stupidity and don't bother but some days people piss me off with their idiotic ideas and i bite..
ReplyDeleteGalloway was most likely correct in his choice, and it is a good tactic to use.
Anie,Anthony,.Marie and I have been doing that for years,.. to each other lol.
ReplyDeleteBookworm,
ReplyDeleteIt's a brilliant move to refuse to acknowledge the existence of something that exists? That makes absolutely no sense. George Galloway is a buffoon. This is a man who was close friends with Saddam Hussein and referred to Uday Hussein as "your excellency". Do you seriously admire this clown?
Israel ain't going anywhere. It is here to stay I hate to inform you.
Ryan; the state of Israel is an illegal existence. Illegally occupying land that doesnt and never will belong to it, terrorising the indigenous people, the Palestinians.
ReplyDeleteI absolutely admire George Galloway. He's far from a buffoon.
Coulter
ReplyDeleteWhat about the heinous brutality meted out by the garda and ruc to make people sign statements for things they didn't do? Like Aine and others on here, I laughed at your description of Obama as a liberal! You should catch yourself on, and go back to the cave you crawled out of and stay there!
Itsjustmacker;
ReplyDelete'From riches to rags: One Belfast man's journey to find work'
While I hate to see anyone out of work and know what redundancy and unemployment can do to a person, I honestly can't find it in me to sympathise with the guy in your link.
3 properties here and 1 in Spain, sold £32m worth of real estate? At one time he was earning £70k a year (more than most people will earn in 3-4 years)... What the f*** did he do with his dosh?
He's to be admired I suppose for standing on the road advertising his services but other than that I see nothing in him I can relate to.
Belfast Bookworm:
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what he done with his dosh, I can only think of the Maggie Hatchet so called Boom years and the so called Celtic Tiger Boom Years, The Markets Crashed, People were left Having their properties taken of them, Being made bankrupt, they only winners were the big speculating banks, then greed got to them as well, they found a clause to declare themselves insolvent by giving their own directors massive bonus's and also to the major rich shareholder, then Governments had to step in and bail them out, with tax payers money, and whats the first thing the done with that money, paid themselves more bonus's than the received during the boom years, to them it was FREE MONEY and they could do what they like with it, I can relate to that guy, I'm sure you don't feel happy with your bank hammering you for overdraft charges whilst still lining their pockets. Whatever Happened to the guys properties , to me is irelevant. He just wants a chance to start over and fend for himself, to me that's a good thing.
Itsjustmacker; to be honest, the people he sold £32m worth of property before the arse fell out of the market are more on my mind. I'd say many or most are now homeless.
ReplyDeleteOf course I blame the banks and the governments but there were many people who rode high on the backs of the poor during the 'boom years' and in my opinion real estate agents and property developers were among them.
Who needs 4 houses really (excluding Shinners)? That's greed in my book.
I'm with you bookworm..
ReplyDeleteIf I had sold 32million worth of property (even with the crash), I'd still have a few million stashed away in the Caymans, I.O.M or in a Swiss bank account for a rainy day. He doesn't sound like a buisness man to me. In the same way as a lot people in the ROI who took out over inflated 120% mortgages, just to keep up with the Joneses. I've very little sympathy for them. It was pure greed and unfortunatly a lot of people got burnt..The Tiger was built on thin air and empty promises..
BB , Frankie.
ReplyDeleteI think I would have stashed some of that money away, Seems The Banks foreclosed on his properties, I read it as, He was a salesman selling properties, Maybe he knows to much and that is why he can't get back into property sales, or, maybe its because the property market is in decline, everything in economics is controlled by the billionaires who set the trends, they have even downgraded the UK rating for BORROWING, they will go in with the kill to make a few billion on the stock market, Its a new world order, George w Bush's words.
Frankie, say real estate agents get around 6% commission on each sale, 6% of 32m is about 1.9m... that's a LOTTA money. Even if commission is only half that,(which I doubt) it's still much more than an average person would earn in a whole lifetime of working. If any fool blows that, as well as additional properties then any sympathy I may have had for them falling on hard times goes well out the window.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, the Celtic Tiger was built on sand but the sad thing is I dont think many have learned from it.
Belfast Bookworm,
ReplyDeleteI am not a fan of Galloway. He has sided with too many tyrants for my liking and the misogynistic and homophobic attitudes vented within Respect have left me less than impressed.
He has stood up against the war of terror and the Israeli treatment of Palestine which are laudable but I am far from convinced that boycotting somebody because they come from Israel is something that will win much support.
Another issue is that he had a good case to make and has the ability to win hands down. He dealt effectively with Hitchens in debate once over the war of terror, and Hitchens was no slouch in these matters. I think it was a missed opportunity and what Galloway has achieved is to make some people think he is racist. The Boycott Divestment Sanctions (BDS) Movement apparently issued a statement distancing itself from his action.
Anthony; fair points. And if I'm honest I don't know much about him other than his position on Palestine and the war of terror ( which I follow closely) and it is for this that he earns my admiration.
ReplyDeleteWhen most others of his standing support the so called 'war on terror' Galloway has deviated from the norm.
With regards to his latest thing; ignoring the guy and refusing to debate, the person in question wasn't just someone from Israel. He was a Zionist. Galloway was a million percent right in my book for blanking him.
Anthony; the BDS campaign also distanced itself from Norman finkelstein and Ken o'keefe. They're making a habit out of this it seems.
ReplyDeleteBB,
ReplyDeleteI don’t know a great deal about Norman Finkelstein but have admired the way in which he handled Daniel Goldhagen’s argument in the latter’s book Germany’s Willing Executioners. So I had a look on Google to find out why the BDS was distancing itself from him and foundthis. I know that it is a dangerous strategy to pick up the first thing from the web to use in arguments and for that reason I am not going to argue. What I will say is that it left me wondering if BDS might have a point.
On Galloway the Salma Yaqoob decision to resign from Respect was largely a reaction to his role in it.
That the student is a Zionist was not a point Galloway made. He didn’t say he refused to debate with Zionists. He specifically said Israelis. I think these people have to be debated and more importantly defeated in debate. I think what happened at the university is that the student came away with the moral high ground without even having his position probed. In my view a missed opportunity. I simply can’t see the point in praising vicious dictators like Saddam and Assad and refusing to debate with Israeli students. There is something that doesn’t quite fit.
Anthony; I'm a bit of a fan of Finkelstein and I followed the BDS 'controversy' at the time.
ReplyDeleteBasically he said that the BDS campaign wasn't the only strategy and activists of the campaign (I am one) in placing too much importance on this were in danger of creating a 'cult'
I'm not really convinced of this but what I do believe, as Finkelstein says, is that part of the BDS campaign is to dismantle israeli apartheid but that because Israeli apartheid is not recognised in international law, then this aspect of the campaign is futile. He basically said that in order for the BDS campaign to make change and progress, then it had to work within the realms of the law because this is what people understand - and more importantly, this is what they are willing to work for change for.
In other words, International law supports the state of Israel and if the law says its ok, then so it must be.
Campaign activists got mighty pissed off with his comments - and perhaps rightly so as zionists and far right groups were immediately screaming that Finkelstein had basically rubbished the campaign but I honestly believe he has a point.
With regards to Galloway, my understanding is that the students comments immediately alerted Galloway to the fact that he was a Zionist and it was this that led George to blank him. Zionists will always think they have the high moral ground anyway so I can see his reasoning.
For some reason I thought Yaqoob's resignation was down to the comments Galloway made regarding the alleged rape in the Assange case?
BB,
ReplyDeleteI think you are right about Yaqoob and the Galloway comments on the rape case. I also think she gave an interview to the Guardian or Observer in which she was more expansive in her view of his shortcomings. I suspect but can't be certain that the rape comments may have been the straw that broke the proverbial back. I have never been a great fan of Yaqoob either for that matter.
Anthony; I haven't a clue to be honest but I knew she'd quit, I just assumed it was around the rape issue as I heard about it at the same time I heard about Galloways comments.
ReplyDeleteI don't know a great deal about her or her work but a Muslim woman in politics kind of breaks the glass ceiling. I do know she said at one time though that shed be proud if her children, who are British, fought for their country whether it be Iraq or Afghanistan or wherever. That immediately screamed to me that she's a fool for not being willing to do whatever it took to stop her children fighting in illegal wars in places they had no business being in.
I don't know what Galloway was thinking making the rape comments. He sort of half clarified afterwards saying no always means no but that means nothing because it was after the fact. I think his anger about the assange witch hunt got in the way of straight thinking on his part as I don't think he's anti-women or a misogynist at all.
In terms of the work he does on poverty, inequality, illegal wars and colonialism, I think he's spot on.
PS Anthony, would you ever leave that feckin poor camel alone!
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