The determined rapists of the Catholic Church in Ireland are not going to give up. Nor is the criminal cartel at the Vatican going to give them up. The people this society elects to politically represent and ultimately govern them need to draw a line in the sand over which the paedophile infested Catholic institution shall not be permitted to cross.
While not a fan of Fine Gael by any stretch of the imagination, never having cast a vote of any preference the party’s way, I can hardy deny being in agreement with both Taoiseach Enda Kenny and the chairman of the Fine Gael parliamentary party, Charlie Flanagan.
Kenny in describing the Vatican role in the Cloyne clerical sex scandal as absolutely disgraceful, made it clear that ‘the law of the land should not be stopped by crozier or by collar’, while Flanagan, a man whose perspective on the criminal justice system I have long abhorred, called for the expulsion of he papal nuncio from Ireland: ‘in any jurisdiction if the representatives of another jurisdiction conspired with citizens of that state to commit criminal acts, they would be gone.’
Unfortunately, Eamon Gilmore, the Foreign Minister, was only lukewarm when asked if the Vatican’s embassy in Ireland should be closed. A worrying sign of vacillation at a time when Church criminality should be aggressively confronted and forced back.
Children Must Not Wait should be the guiding principle. As the Irish Times argued:
Another round of breast-beating by Catholic churchmen over the sexual abuse of children in their pastoral care has become a source of public anger, rather than of reassurance. Apologies and pledges of future cooperation with civil authorities have lost all credibility following 15 years of foot-dragging and broken promises.
There is no need to bulldoze churches to the ground and systematically go through the ruins with flamethrowers to flush out the predators from their lairs. In addition to upcoming legislation there is gang busting legislation which the state can employ against the Catholic Church. Why should the criminals of Limerick and Dublin have that exclusively to themselves? These maggots of god that continue to poison the moral well Irish society drinks from should be remorselessly pursued from child to child and their talons removed from their victims’ clothing until they irrevocably desist from wilfully harming the children of this country.
Government ministers Alan Shatter and Frances Fitzgerald plan to introduce legislation aimed at protecting children like never before. It will be a criminal offence to fail to report to the Garda sexual abuse of a child. The problem is simple: we have heard it all before. The last government led by Fianna Fail said much the same in the wake of the Ferns Report. The ‘never again … but’ attitude has served to encourage the Church of the Raping Cleric to carry on. Few will be found to disagree with Sinn Fein’s Mary Lou McDonald in her assessment that ‘to date, the State has failed children.’
Yet on this occasion Edna Kenny suggested the State might go further than before in his assertion that the confessional will not have a seal. Where a priest is informed in his dark box of dark acts he will be obligated to inform civil authorities. This is certainly a stake aimed at the heart of the vampire. It will inevitably lead to a clash between the Dublin government and Cartel Vatican.
Will this be enough to overcome some facts on the ground outlined so well by Maurice Hayes? In his view:
Ministers may find that legislation is the easy bit. Laws without enforcement are worse than useless, and enforcement requires an inspectorate with manpower and resources. Both are in short supply when there are cuts in public expenditure and social workers are being laid off.
The urgency of the State moving against the Church is underlined by the very explicit message from the Cloyne report that Clerical abuse and cover up are not something in our history but are with us here and now. As Frances Fitzgerald, the Minister for Children, pointed out, ‘this is not a catalogue of failure from a different era. This is not about an Ireland of 50 years ago. This is about Ireland now.’
At this very moment some cleric is grooming his next child victim while some bishop is putting in place the mechanisms of cover up. It is the country’s Great Moral Famine and still there is an inclination as indicated by the Foreign Minister to parley and discuss with those who would starve Irish children of their dignity. To what end? Irish society does not need a response from the Vatican, it needs to see Cartel Vatican crushed as a political force in Ireland.
By the time the Dail convenes to debate the matter this week Irish society should be primed to the point that anything less than disbandment of the Church will seem a failure. It is now reported in the Irish Independent that the government is at war with the Vatican. It must not be a cold war.
All the laws of the day will not stop these bastards in their vile and filthy acts,the church is imo a global paedophile ring whose arrogance is beyond belief.I think only the dismantling of this church and its stranglehold on our communities,will give our children a chance of living a normal childhood free from the clutches of those dickydodgers and men in frocks,Its a pity the penal laws were reformed priest/nun hunting could become the new national sport.
ReplyDeleteIt's as much societies fault at this stage. If a neighbour was doing local kids regularly they would be certain to be agressively dealt with.
ReplyDeleteAfter all the contempt the RC church has shown, why should they be given any preferential treatment?
On the news tonight a very brave young man told his story of abuse, AFTER a molester was re-instated in a school job to continue abusing kids.
Something's just fucked up about this country. No shortage of facilitators and apologists.
AM,
ReplyDelete‘The Catholic Church from the top to the bottom is a gang of thieves who have stolen the psychological well-being of society’s children.’
To quote yourself, ‘bolllix’.
‘There is no need to bulldoze churches to the ground ….’
Although you would probably like to.
‘Yet on this occasion Edna Kenny suggested the State might go further than before in his assertion that the confessional will not have a seal.’
True catholic priests would die before breaking that. You seem like the ultimate felon-setter, stoking the rabid crowd up. Remember, like Paisley, you may have no control over what you unleash.
‘At this very moment some cleric is grooming his next child victim while some bishop is putting in place the mechanisms of cover up.’
And Peter Tatchell, the ‘human rights activist’ is eyeing up nine-year old boys. I condemn both, you don’t seem able to do this.
‘By the time the Dail convenes to debate the matter this week Irish society should be primed to the point that anything less than disbandment of the Church will seem a failure.’
Can you define what you mean by ‘disbandment of the Church’?
If the Catholic Church is to be blamed for those who do not follow its teachings, do you think that the married state is to blame for adultery?
John McGirr,
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think of arresting the present pontiff Benedict for these monstrous crimes that he was almost certainly involved in covering up? Are you a supporter of his or would you prefer to see him go?
AM-
ReplyDelete'is there any chance that at long last Irish society might no longer
be willing to carry on deluding itself'
Not a chance in hell- its more than religion or belief- its what the family / neighbour's might think-
Just look at the photo's in the local papers at holy communion time
[ 8 year olds ]
or conformation [ 11 year olds ]
there is a cardinal or bishop standing with the children- even some that have been named as with-holding information and covering up
abuse-
More might leave religion- few or none will leave those photo's with religious leaders-
But that is the people's choice- i hear the odd joke- [ we will not be letting our child out of our sight ] on these occasion's- and parents are more aware now- is that good enough- i hope so-
@ John McGirr The Vatican honchos need to be forced into the dock, to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity... No-one here has supported adult sexual intimacy with a minor... U throw that in as a distractor. Ireland is finally coming to see the truth and is spitting the filth out of her mouth... Whether the Catholic church falls apart forever or diminishes significantly is a maybe.
ReplyDeleteCatholicism has been so tightenly woven, embedded in Irish psyche and in Irish abroad hence many go along with the comfort of rituals... But continually confronting the grim realities (media is relentless) is slowly erroding moronic compliance with a corrupt organisation. To equate it as sounding like Paisley senior with his vile hate spin of the past is yet another way you try to deflect the issue at hand.
If you want to be a Catholic - fine that is your perogative just as being a non denominational believer is or an atheist or a Buddhist etc...
But the issue for all IDing Catholics is - what are you doing to ensure the safety of the next generation of kids and what are you doing right now to ensure justice is meted out to the perps past & present and those who will abuse in the future for sure if not stopped...
It is very disconcerting to the Vatican that so many survivors of abuse are losing the shame and standing up and telling what happened to them. It is time It was always time and now the time has come to never relent... Are u with us or against us? Are you for the truth and justice or against? Vacillating is where u seem to be at. It is a huge shakeup of monumental proportions and because u and i r believers in God I call it spiritual justice time/accountability time whereas a non believer in any God calls it just justice time. Both stances believe in Justice and that is all that counts.
You can take the wounded soul stance if u want John & play the i am a bashed Catholic number... but it is your construct & not reality nor the issue at hand. If it was a proddie organisation called the Vatican i would say the same.
@ Larry 'Something's just fucked up about this country. No shortage of facilitators and apologists.' Yes so true - it to me is the entrenched embedding of religosity, merging of church & state for so long & it is residual in the Irish psyche that still equates a validity to being dictated to and controlled by purported godly figureheads... a kind of terrible conditioning that renders us naive, gutless fools at times with the terrible realities in our faces. Yes Father no Father grovelling servile idiots. tis tragic.
John,
ReplyDeleteI find myself agreeing and disagreeing with you at the same time.
I don't agree with Macker's psychological well-being analysis.
I don't feel my religion had any detrimental affects on my childhood.
If anything, myself and SaintMary? have had a good laugh about our childhood confessions.
Realistically though, it is becoming increasing difficult to defend the indefensible.
The cover up was as rampant as the abuse. Having said that, I agree with Larry that society should be accountable as well.
When Liam Adams was exposed, many of those who employed him in West Belfast lied about his role in community youthwork. His brother a politican lied, the PSNI who cleared him lied, Sinn Fein activists on the recruitments panels lied, ironically the only ones who laid bare the lie were the Priests in Clonard.
They came forward and contradicted both the accounts given Gerry Adams on live TV as well as those given by the PSNI.
John McGirr,
ReplyDeleteLOL. I am consulting with my spiritual adviser at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster to seek guidance on the deeply theological concerns you have raised! Bless you with the bountiful gifts of the great Spago.
Marty & Larry,
there should be no let up in society's campaign to prevent more Vatican victims.
Ryan,
a must.
Michaelhenry,
an interesting point. The ritual can often be stronger than the belief.
I have to intervene. Peter Tatchell is not a pedophile. He has in the past argued for those who are found to have engaged in sexual activity reasonably below the existing age of consent with other similarly aged people to not be deemed criminals. He has not argued for legal adult/child sexual relations.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDelete"And Peter Tatchell, the ‘human rights activist’ is eyeing up nine-year old boys. I condemn both, you don’t seem able to do this."
That's a nasty smear. Tatchell made some questionable remarks about the age of consent, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he is a paedophile. I mean, you yourself made unsavoury comments about Ronan Kerr, but I wouldn't call you a killer.
Tomas & Alfie,
ReplyDeleteit is so clearly a weak smear to deflect attention from this very pressing issue. Blame Tatchell, communists, Jews, journalists, secular society, gays - anybody but Mother Church's criminal clergy. While I disagree with Tatchell on his view, to say he is like those priests who eye up nine years old kids is a libelous lie. It is just following in Bishop Magee's philosophy of lie about everything. Indicates just how desperate they are to deflect attention.
AM,
ReplyDeleteSecond attempt.
Can you define what you mean by ‘disbandment of the Church’?
Ryan,
ReplyDelete'What do you think of arresting the present pontiff Benedict for these monstrous crimes that he was almost certainly involved in covering up?'
I don't believe anyone should be arrested on an 'almost'.
'Are you a supporter of his or would you prefer to see him go?'
I do not support any Pope since Pope Pius XII. It was on his demise that the anti-Catholic forces took over, leading, among other things, to an epidemic of child-abuse.
John McGirr,
ReplyDeleteyou doubt him? The Great Spago is in session advising us faithlings on the one true answer. He has not transmitted his message to you yet? Those Jews. They block everything.
Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus dicimus, definimus et pronunciamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis.
Fall on our knees and obey - but keep our mouths closed while on our knees. There might be a bishop about.
More than our mouths need to be kept closed when the pervs are on the prowl Anthony.
ReplyDeleteAM,
ReplyDeleteRE Peter Tatchell:
He gave an example of a New Guinea tribe where ‘all young boys have sex with older warriors as part of their initiation into manhood’ and allegedly grow up to be ‘happy, well-adjusted husbands and fathers’.
And he concluded: ‘The positive nature of some child-adult sexual relationships is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of nine to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy.
‘While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful.’
If ANY cleric has ever said or supported such a perversion as outlined here, I would support their gaoling.
AM,
ReplyDeleteA quote from the front of the Cork Independent last week:
"The Catholic Church is destroyed and should be disbanded. That was the damning verdict from the Director of the Sexual Violence in Cork, Mary Crilly, after yesterday's findings of the Commission of Investigation into the Diocese of Cloyne."
Do you agree that 'The Catholic Church is destroyed and should be disbanded'?
John,
ReplyDeleteTatchell has said that "not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful." As much as I think sexual relations between adults and minors are dangerous and wrong, there is some truth in what Tatchell says. As I said before, just ask Bob Geldof if he thinks the sexual relationship he had when he was 13 with a neighbour in her thirties was non-consenual or abusive. Or ask Vili Fualaau the same question. He began a sexual relationship with his teacher, Mary Kay Letourneau, when he was 12 and fathered two children with her; he then married her after she had served seven years in prison for statutory rape.
Does that mean adult-child sexual relations should be legalised? Of course not. As Anthony has argued elsewhere, the law must be general in application and the evidence suggests that, in most cases, children who have had sexual contact with adults do feel that it was "unwanted, abusive and harmful". Also, most victims of abuse claim that they did not consent explicitly; rather, they were manipulated or coerced into unwanted sexual experiences. Thus, we must legislate accordingly. Of course, there may be a 9-year-old Maths prodigy who is studying in Cambridge and wants to get frisky with some young woman in his Calculus class, but since children under the age of 12 are generally not physically or mentally ready for sexual relations, society must err on the side of caution and uphold the law.
PS. I must admit that when I heard about swimsuit model-turned-teacher Debra Lafave being caught having sex with her 14-year-old student in 2004, my first reaction was, "Where in the fuck were teachers like her when I was in school???"
John,
ReplyDelete"True catholic priests would die before breaking that [the seal of the confessional]."
But what if a man confessed to a priest that he was molesting his children but was unwilling to hand himself over to the authorities? Shouldn't the priest be obliged to tell the police?
I am still amazed that I lot of people in Ireland are blind when it comes to see the crimes committed by the Church. I come from a society (Québec) that was once like Ireland, under the control of the Catholic church, but in the 60's we lived what as being called "La Révolution Tranquille". In that Révolution, the church lost his prestige and power (ex. schools and hospitals were taken by the state) . That was part of the process of "decolonizing your minds". We are not yet totally decolonized, but at least we are free from church alienation.
ReplyDeleteAndré we are getting there slowly,more and more people are turning to Pastafarianism,they are learning that the FSM boiled for our sins,
ReplyDeleteAlfie,
ReplyDeleteThe trouble with that line of reasoning is that the abuser often convinces himself that the abused is enjoying it, see for example Roger Vangheluwe, the paedophile former bishop of Bruges.
That is why the law is needed to protect nine year olds. That is why Tatchell is so wrong.
Andre,
ReplyDeletewas in Montreal for the first time last year and noticed that there is far more passion for the Montreal Canadiens hockey team than the Roman Catholic church and I think that can only be a good thing.
Les Glorieux!!!
AM,
ReplyDelete'But what if a man confessed to a priest that he was molesting his children but was unwilling to hand himself over to the authorities? Shouldn't the priest be obliged to tell the police?'
Someone goes to confession to obtain forgiveness of sins. In this hypothetical case the priest would order the penitent to hand himself over. If he does not do this he will not be absolved. The priest cannot and would not do anymore than that.
Saint?Mary Hedgehog, Fionnuala and others,
The fact that I don't always get the chance to respond does not mean I am not listening to what you are writing and value your responses.
John,
ReplyDelete"The trouble with that line of reasoning is that the abuser often convinces himself that the abused is enjoying it... That is why the law is needed to protect nine year olds. That is why Tatchell is so wrong."
I agree. I believe that experiences like Bob Geldof's are the exceptions to the rule, so the law must protect children in all circumstances. Tatchell may have had a point, but I believe he went too far with it. On the other hand, you accused him of being a paedophile - that is wrong also.
Alfie,
ReplyDelete'Tatchell may have had a point, but I believe he went too far with it. On the other hand, you accused him of being a paedophile - that is wrong also.'
Okay. He is an apologist for under-age sexual activity and even goes so far as to have a quotation on his home page which suggests that paedophilia is acceptable if consented to!
if priests insist on celebacy, [lets face it they cant hack-it] then all priests should volunteer to be eunuks. Why would they need their tackle?
ReplyDeleteAM,
ReplyDelete‘Blame Tatchell, communists, Jews, journalists, secular society, gays’
‘Those Jews. They block everything.’
It is interesting to see it is a Jew who is leading the assault against the Sacrament of Penance.
Also, do you think Enda Kenny reads the Pensive Quill now that you are both on the same band-wagon?
How do you intend to disband the Catholic Church?
Do you blame marriage for adultery?
Nuala,
ReplyDeleteI don’t think religion necessarily has a bad effect on a childhood. I do believe that the Catholic Church has long posed a threat to every child through its ‘extensive clerical predation.’ There is none that it would not have abused given the opportunity. I was interested in comments by Diarmuid Martin on RTE today saying that children were still in danger. I think SMH very much shows that her psychological wellbeing was stolen from her. Clerical rape is not a problem caused by a few individuals. It is an institutional problem and is enabled by the Church. And then we hear the rubbish and libel to deflect it.
SMH,
‘The Vatican honchos need to be forced into the dock, to be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.’
It should be a universally pressed demand.
And we see the deflection all the time. If it isn’t the Jews it is the gays or the communists or some other scapegoat.
It is reassuring to see the Vatican victims rise up against the despicable institution that enabled their abuse. I am hopeful that Irish society will eventually get this leech off its neck.
'And then we hear the rubbish and libel to deflect it.'
ReplyDeleteAre you saying that my words quoted below are 'rubbish and libel'?:
"He is an apologist for under-age sexual activity and even goes so far as to have a quotation on his home page which suggests that paedophilia is acceptable if consented to!"
Would you like me to give you the link to his web site where this is written?
You have libelled many within the Catholic Church because some did not live up to what it teaches. The Catholic Church is no more responsable for those who reject its teachings and betray its trust than marriage is for adultery.
The REAL evil here is those who defend sex between 9 year olds and think that paedophilia is okay when 'consented to'. Your inabillity to condemn anything other than 'Catholic' abuse shows me that your real enemy is the Catholic Church rather than those who condone paedophilia.
'And we see the deflection all the time. If it isn’t the Jews it is the gays or the communists or some other scapegoat.'
ReplyDeleteAll said while you are scapegoating the 'Catholics!'
If you were to substitue Jew or Moslem for everywhere you attack the Catholic Church you wouldn't get away with it.
Why do collapsed Catholics have so much hate for the Catholic Church that they are blinded to simple logic?
The real tragedy is that so many renegade priests listened to the theorisers like Peter Tatchell, the 'grooming rights' activist!
Mackers,
ReplyDeleteI actually thought about children who were abused when I had posted my comment and I seriously meant to come back in and correct it.
Not for a second would I try and understate what they did.
My experience of religion from a very young was nothing like the horror that was visited on some children, but that does not mean that I don't feel sick and sickened by it.
Ryan,
ReplyDeleteI think we never worshiped the church as we worship the Montreal Canadiens. :)
Nuala,
ReplyDeleteI think that goes without saying. You have been very consistent on this issue.
Alfie,
ReplyDelete‘Tatchell has said that "not all sex involving children is unwanted,
abusive and harmful."
I think this is probably true given that very few children wait until the age of consent before they try. But I think even if society errs it is obliged to do so, as you argue, on the side of caution. The child’s motives,sense of inquisitiveness and need to explore and experience, is not the issue for me but the motivation of the teachers. Bob Geldof found his experience pleasurable and non abusive. But that does not address the woman who seduced him. Of course she gave him pleasure just as she would have were she to have given him a thousand pound stolen from a bank. It was not in her gift to decide. Until such times as a consensus develops within society about the age of consent – and it will shift whatever our reservations – adults have a responsibility which children do not.
Also, none of this is comparable to clerical rape. I have not yet heard a Vatican victim claim they enjoyed some priest molesting them. Their claim is that it was rape, assault or abuse.
Tatchell should be allowed his viewpoint so long as he does not breach societal laws and abuse children or wilfully encourage others to do so. There is nothing that I have read so far which suggests he has.
I think your attitude to Debra Lafave is not all that different to most males! Yet if it was my son I would not be happy and would regard him as the target of abuse even though he might think it great.
Alfie,
ReplyDelete‘But what if a man confessed to a priest that he was molesting his children but was unwilling to hand himself over to the authorities? Shouldn't the priest be obliged to tell the police?’
The bizarre rituals of the Masonic Order have no application to society. This is not about the protection of sources. At the same time I would imagine the priest would be obliged to inform the man making the confession in advance that he will report anything to the civil law. Otherwise the clergy become the gatherers of evidence which is not what they are supposed to do. Unlike what journalists might discover and put to societal service by enhancing public understanding or strengthening accountability, confessions to priests are only a church ritual and not beneficial to society. The information is for private use only. Why should society privilege that?
In any event, very few priests will be prepared to go to jail for it. While willing to risk jail for child rape it is unlikely they will risk going there for something like standing on principle. The odd exception, no doubt, but no more.
St Jude Patron Saint of Hopeless Cases must be exhausted from praying for those corrupt cocks in frocks in the Vatican to front up to reality & truth.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDelete"Someone goes to confession to obtain forgiveness of sins. In this hypothetical case the priest would order the penitent to hand himself over. If he does not do this he will not be absolved."
I'm not sure the priest even has this power, John. I read that all the priest can do in this situation is to encourage the man to go to the police; he cannot make it a condition of the man's absolution. Indeed, my understanding is that if a penitent is genuinely contrite and makes a heartfelt commitment to desist from the sinful behaviour, then he must be absolved.
"The priest cannot and would not do anymore than that."
But should he, especially if he suspects further crimes against children may be committed?
Perhaps the priest should not be compelled to report past crimes revealed to him in confession. However, if he strongly suspects that a penitent is going to commit further serious crimes, then surely he should be obliged to tell the police.
It's true, Quebec used to be one of the most Catholic parts of North America with an institutional grip on the province like no other. Now it's one of the most left-wing, secular and gay-friendly places you're likely to find anywhere--at least Montreal is. Let Quebec show the Irish the way to true enlightenment !
ReplyDeleteAndré
ReplyDelete‘I am still amazed that I lot of people in Ireland are blind when it comes to see the crimes committed by the Church.’
We see it all the time. Blame the dog, the cat, the cow, the horse, anything but Mother Church. But it is falling down around their ears now and the important thing is to keep the pressure on. The rape cartel needs to be defeated. All the deflection is shovelling smoke.
‘We are not yet totally decolonized, but at least we are free from church alienation.’
Way to go
I,ve never been a fan in anyway of FG but when I read Enda Kenny,s statement re,the catholic church and the vatican as "dysfunctional,disconnected,elitist,and narcissistic,and downplayed the rape and torture of children,I was impressed, here at last we had a politican who had the balls to tell the pervs just what they are, now I hear that the pope may not visit us next year, Fuck me the day just keeps getting better.
ReplyDeleteJohn,
ReplyDeleteFrom Fr. Charles M Carty's church-approved writings on confession:
"49. What of the thief who is not discovered by the police?
The priest orders him to make restitution, giving back to the owner the money or goods stolen. Only when he promises to do so will he receive absolution for his sin before God. But the penitent is not obliged to give himself up to the police. It is their business to prove the crime and arrest him.
50. Will the priest tell the police or is it a sacred secret?
The priest will certainly not tell the police. He can never act upon information submitted to him for the purpose of absolution before God.
51. Is not such a priest an enemy to the state?
No. State laws control men in their capacity as citizens of the state. But a priest does not hear confessions in his capacity as a citizen of the state. He is acting, not as a human being, but as an agent of God. You might as well oblige God, since He knows all things, to reveal all crimes to the police. The priest would never have known had he not been doing a duty in the name of God. In any case, he is obliged by both the natural and positive laws of morality in this matter to die rather than reveal such things."
So unless the rules governing confession have changed since Carty's day, it would seem that priests cannot withhold absolution until a remorseful criminal turns himself over to the police. This is ridiculous, John.
Marty,
ReplyDelete‘they are learning that the FSM boiled for our sins.’
And we don’t have to put up with the guff that he rose from the dead after the Jews killed him and the Communists doubted him and the journalists smeared him and the gays taunted him and Frankie up the street – it was all his fault, and his granny, her too. He accepted boiling to show us the gift of everlasting life. Oh great Pasta we love you, our universal saviour.
SMH,
We could even translate it into Latin - corruptus cockus in the frockus!
Alfie
From Fr. Charles M Carty: ‘He is acting, not as a human being, but as an agent of God.’ That’s funny.
007
Down from Heaven
Gawd
James Gawd!
You Only Live Twice - if you don't go to hell for not listening to us.
Agent of god - I wonder how many Vatican victims had that told to them prior to the assault. There is no end to the bollix that these people will tell us.
AM
ReplyDeleteI dont like pasta, cabbage spudz+gamon fer me...with parsley sauce.
oh i forgot
ReplyDeleteAMEN.
Larry,
ReplyDeleteyou are lower than the lowest - pasta is my religion and you will like it, whether you like it or not. And if you don't understand that then read up on Pastaology and the mysteries of faith will become that much clearer to you. The agents of god command you to like it or forever burn in the fires of hell. God's men know how to torture people forever and ever amen.
i hereby stake my claim as the first non-conformist in the pastafarian realm.
ReplyDeleteno tithe shall i pay, indulgence seek nor savour of false sauces hiding eternal blandness and general 'crap'.
I want a real dinner....AMEN.
Metamoralia
ReplyDelete‘Quebec … it's one of the most left-wing, secular and gay-friendly places you're likely to find anywhere--at least Montreal is. Let Quebec show the Irish the way to true enlightenment!’
An example to follow … Ireland is on the road to solving its priest problem. One more institution of repression told where to get off.