As of late there has been quite a bit of public discussion about truth recovery processes. Despite considerable opposition it has even been suggested that the shelved Eames-Bradley project be dusted down and slung back into the mix. Watching Prime Time a few nights back it was all too evident jut how rocky a path is being treaded by Sinn Fein on the question of truth recovery. Trip hazards abound. The party might have a brass neck but it is simultaneously disadvantaged by a glass chin to go with it which is occasionally proffered to pugilist interviewers. Gerry Adams, the party leader for as long as most people can remember, was interviewed about the phenomenon of the Disappeared, something he has long been suspected in many circles of having orchestrated.
The interviewer Donagh Diamond was persistent and refused to acquiesce in the standard bullying that Adams resorts to each time he is put on the spot. Diamond put it to him that he had been a central member of the Belfast IRA when the strategy of disappearing people was put in place. Adams denied it. Diamond followed through with obvious riposte: ‘there is nobody with even a passing knowledge of the Troubles in the North over the last 25 years who does not believe that. So if you deny that, it undermines your denial about Jean McConville.’
Adams was rattled but Diamond was on sure ground; it being impossible to find a journalist or academic willing to risk their reputation by stating anything contrary to what is known by the dogs in the street about the Adams association with the IRA.
The Disappeared is not an issue that anyone would relish being publicly grilled about. It conjures up too many images that resemble Pinochet’s Chile. Try as we might it is virtually impossible to evade the charge that the secret grave industry was anything other than a war crime. Everywhere else it is, from the Balkans to Argentina, so why in Ireland alone was it just a mistake on the part of the IRA as Adams sought to make out? It sounded lame, a perfunctory disavowal stated because it had to be rather than being asserted with any degree of conviction.
Adams sought to hector Diamond into refraining from asking what he termed stupid questions. But Diamond had the advantage when pointing out that a TD suspected in some sections of society of being responsible for war crimes cannot expect to escape probing. This would seem self evident given that Adams wants others in the Dail brought to account for activity much less heinous than what he stands accused of.
It is bad press for any TD to have to come along and defend himself against such allegations. The answers don’t really matter; that the question is ever raised to begin with is what does the damage. In any event Adams simply had had no answer. Indeed, his performance was so poor that it is easy to see why one columnist described the exchange as one in which the IRA’s former chief of staff ‘was completely, utterly and brilliantly filleted live on air.’
Yet the party leader continues to expose his party to ridicule by making demands for truth recovery that nobody takes seriously because of his own insistence on denying what everyone knows to be true. Wanting the truth to be told about everybody else will hardly cut the mustard in robust interviews. Such lightweight endeavours against heavy hitting interviewers are not worth the candle for Sinn Fein. At a time when the party is eager to present itself as a serious alternative, the leader, whatever his responsibility for the disappeared, conveys a demeanour of all grave and no gravitas.
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Come on now. There is absolutely no way Gerry could or should ever admit to his role in the IRA. It would offer no electoral gain and would force him into even more embarrassing interviews.
ReplyDeleteAdams is making totally the right call in his strategy. Whilst no doubt some Republicans would have no problem defending the actions taken against Jean McConville, for any of them to do so publicly would be electoral suicide.
Also, never mind that if Gerry did admit to being in the IRA he could go to jail.
Danny if the bearded one should never admit to his role in pira then it would suit him and psf to keep quiet about truth recovery process,there cant be many people who were involved in our grubby conflict with as much to hide as this man, I,m sorry I missed that prime time programme.
ReplyDeleteDanny
ReplyDeleteYour argument would rule Sinn Fein out of any truth process as there are more than Gerry with a past. The same excuse you make for Gerry can equally be made for many of their party members and elected representatives.
Marty,
ReplyDeleteIt can be seen here:
www.rte.ie/news/av/2011/0607/primetime.html
Danny,
I can't see why he could not just say 'no comment'. It maybe too late now though, after all his ridiculous lies.
Why we someone doing so much for Britain go to jail?
Adams has some cheek!
ReplyDeleteWhy is it ok for former members of the IRA to co-operate with the Smithwick tribunal, yet he cant admit his role in the IRA?
Double standards of epic proportions!
My last sentence got a bit mangled.
ReplyDeleteIt should have read:
'Why wwould someone doing so much for Britain go to jail?
I read in todays Vatican Times(Irish News Anthony) Brian Feeney has a dig at the psf,s performance in representing the people of west Belfast,Feeney who in these latter years has become something of a psf groupie casts a critical eye over the partys results in bringing jobs into this area,he quotes the Anytout news from a while back whch carried a highly critical piece on the bearded ones tenure as mp for the area(he failed to mention the groveling apology in the following weeks issue)and he states that west Belfast remains at the top or bottom of every index of poverty and deprivation depending on whether top or bottom measures the worst, Brian is not telling us anything most of us didnt already know, I am firmly of the opinion that Adams jumped ship from west Belfast knowing full well that his representation of this area was a disgrace and that a lot worse was yet to come,psf imo are not capable of bringing any sort of meaningful employment to this area other than the self help groups which really are another word for jobs for the boys ,the future may well be bright and it may well be orange in some other areas but here the west its a depressing shade of grey and getting blacker by the day,
ReplyDeleteJohn a cara thanks for that after a bit of searching I got it, what a two faced lying c##t Adams really is,the statement he made re pira leadership of the 70,s wasnt the same as the leadership of the 90,s made me wince, sure wasnt he the man who called the shots (literally) through the decades and I for one wouldnt complain if ever he was hauled before a un court on his "mistake" more properly described as war crimes which they were though the chances of that happening I,d say are nil.he,s still usefull to his masters in Westminster.
ReplyDeleteAdams should not admit to his role in the IRA. Perhaps the most opportune time to do so would have been about ten or fifteen years ago. If he was to talk about his involvement he would surely be locked up.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Gerry would be best to take a similar approach that Price or Hughes have done with interviews to be published when they pass.
I have read comments from people posting here who support Price (and rightfully so) no one has urged her to publicly "come clean" as they are to Adams.
For Adams to do so would indeed be electoral suicide and would halt what many believe (rightfully so or not) as a path to unity.
Regardless of whether Adams was or was not behind the disappearing strategy, it is the courts who must decide if Adams was a member of the IRA, until this happens he should be assumed INNOCENT until proven otherwise, and not referred to as commander/chief of IRA.
Disappearing of people was wrong and a major blunder, but i do not believe Sinn Fein members, who are not (proven?) members of the IRA should have to apologise for such incidents.i also believe that Jean McConville's murder was not wrong. She was a spy for a force who were at war with the people of this country, whether one publicly calls it a war or not, and her activities endangered many volunteers lives. She was warned and should have realised what the consequences of her actions would be.
Adams should however certainly be investigated if the authorities believe he is in any way culpable but until this - innocent.
Adam's opposed the 74/75 ceasefire on the grounds that Brits had no intention of withdrawing and were using the period to undermine the IRA's ability to return to war. At the time, Adams and the Dark were promoting the idea of the long war, therefore, it is arguable that, he more than any other, was responsible for committing the IRA to another twenty years of armed struggle.
ReplyDeleteMarty-
ReplyDeleteNo way is the un going to go against the good friday agreement-
what do you take us for, serbs-
i done the sudoku in todays Irish news- but then seen clue 1 for the wordspiral- which was to write a 4 lettered word for an explsive device- i but down bomb- clue 2 was bee sound- the last letter for bomb was b so i put down buzz- clue 3- nought- i put down zero- clue 4- cooker- i put down oven- clue 5- organ of smell- i put down nose- i thought it was going great-
clue 6 water jug----water jug- a four letter word starting with e--
i was stumped- i started thinking
that urn was a four letter word with e at the front-----no no- why the fcuk did i start this puzzle-
i asked the taxi driver- he told me urn- i sid no- then he got on his mike and asked people at his office- nobody knew- i rang my mother who loves puzzles- but she did not know- she rang me 20 minutes later saying if i wanted her to look it up in her book- i said yes [ which was why i rung her in the first place- she has a great puzzle dictionary] i solved clue number 8 which was duty list- i put down rota- so i needed a 4 letter word that began with a e and ended with a r which i still could not get- my mother told me it was ewer- i asked her to repeat that again- ewer she said- fcuking Irish news-
what kind of satistic word-minded fcuk thought of that one-
thomasford2
ReplyDeleteThe difference between Gerry and Doloures is that she has never denied her involvement with or membership of the Provisional IRA. Doloures made her deal with the Boston College regarding her "memoirs" of the conflict and now faces being hunted down by the Brits for her trouble.If she has any sense she should order them burned.Gerry on the other hand is admitting to nothing and denying everything.While in no way defending him ,shameful though his silence is , why would he leave himself open to the Brits.
Gerry,
ReplyDeletedoes not seem to have a problem with other people incriminating themselves.
He is just making an absolute tosser out of himself but then whats new?
I see the bearded one has been caught out again! lying through his pearly white teeth! when asked how he could afford his Donegal holiday home he replied "the bank owns it" it turns out that there is no mortage on the property. geeezzz at least the mans consistent.
ReplyDeleteMarty
ReplyDeleteIf it was a grubby little conflict that was because all wars, big and small go down that path, as you probably know there is very little honour involved in warfare, acts of individual courage and solidarity, yes on occasions, but that is about all.
The main factor which makes a war grubby in my eyes is the reason it is being fought. Using this yardstick I do not feel the war in the north was especially grubby.
I do not believe you can equate the reasons why people take up arms, with how things turned out. In the north it was always a David and Goliath situation, and yes perhaps cooler heads may have been able to foresee it was always going to be an uphill struggle, maybe they did but felt it was worth a shot.
Sometimes a situation becomes so unbearable people have had enough; and they reach out to whatever will bring them respite from their tormentors, in the six counties that was the IRA.
That, is what makes us what we are and without it the whole world would still be ruled by satraps. For all the talk of Sunningdale for slow learners; and those who rule the British state are the slowest learners of all. Without the armed struggle does any honest person really believe we would be were we are today. I for one do not.
Sure there is much to do and the north is, and always will be a mockney statelet and this will only change when partition ends and the Irish national revolution is completed.
But in the meantime and despite all the trickery and deceit, I doubt today, any UK government minister or unionist bigot will take a chance on the cropies always laying down.
I tend to agree with Danny on this, once Adams went down the road of outright denial he has no road back. If he were to own up he would be crucified, unless the shinners cut some sort of special pardon deal, the fact he continues to denie membership makes one feel in adams case they did not.
Danny,
ReplyDeletehow come other IRA leaders went into government and stood their ground?
Adams, helped create and nurture this apology culture which has now came back to haunt him.
Was he a 'war criminal' absolutely not!
Is he a pathological liar, absolutely yes!
Mick there is little or nothing in your post that I could disagree with,when I refer to the grubby little war here in the North Eastern part of this island I do so in no way to slight any volunteer who fought against the might of the Brit Establishment,rather I refer to the way the brits conducted their operations here (as they have done every whwere else in the world)aided and abetted by quislings here and in the so called "free state" goverment,it was imo grubby by the deciet and dirty dealings of Adams and a few cronies who negotiated a surrender and a few privileges for themselves while at the same time sending out poorly trained volunteers to partake in military actions both here and in England .yes Mick it may be the way most wars go but the subsequent betrayal of the republican cause by the very leadership of the republican cause makes this chapter in Irelands fight for freedom not a glorious defeat but again mo cara it turns it into nothing more than a grubby little conflict, I think that first world war quote lions led by donkleys really fits the outcome of what passed here mo cara.
ReplyDeleteMarty,
ReplyDeleteit suits all sides to portray the conflict as 'grubby'.
Apparently, there are new community and educational initiatives being put into place to allow former paramilitaries to go into schools and recollect their stories to school children.
Whether it will appear under citizenship or grovel grovel on the curriculum remains to be seen.
Personally, I think they should just put a banner outside the City Hall or Stormont stating, 'republicans are sorry for everything, including their very existence.'
belfastgit
ReplyDeletethomasforde2, you say it was right for Jean McConville to be killed because she was warned that her activities were putting vol's lives in danger. Could you then please tell me the difference between Jean McConville and Adams and McGuinness and co? They are calling on people day and night to tout on republicans. Are they not putting republicans lives in danger? I don't know where you are from, but it's definately not planet Earth!
Nuala papa doc Paisley wanted sack cloth and ashes but settled for a grovelling Gollum type character in the form of Mc Guinness.I could see spike and the rest visiting schools to tell the children that when blessed Gerry heaard the word from god (in this case mi5) then we all saw the light and are now here to tell you that yes we were once very very bad boys and girls but the mother of parliaments forgave us and with wads of dosh showed us a better way to climb the social ladder, which in turn makes that old saying about revolutionaries are just politicans with bombs so very true!
ReplyDeletebelfastgit
ReplyDeleteI am a member of Sinn Fein, that does not mean that i agree with all of the parties approaches or policies. If i had info on republican paramilitaries i doubt very much that i would be going to the authorities. I do not agree with an armed struggle at present but neither would i call these people traitors as i can understand the motivation to take up arms. I was lucky not to have been alive at such a tragic period, but i do believe they are deluded if they think an armed struggle will remove British forces from Ireland.
Everyone has and are entitled to their own opinions, as are "Adams and McGuinness and co" it does not mean that every member of Sinn Fein agrees with all policies. It is irrelevant where i am from, even if i'm not from planet earth my opinion is still as valid!
Maybe the further down the never ending peace process road we go and when the union is even more securely cemented, Adams and martymi6 will encounter more journalistic grillings like that. Up until now journalists have been nothing but government agents for the 'process'.
ReplyDeleteUntil that happens i for one have lost any interest in what is going on at Stormont. Can't even be arsed looking at that website of the interview, i know the shite i'll see already.
Good film on TG4 tonight 9pm. 'The Good the Bad and the Ugly'. Could bring back memories for Adams. Eli Wallach and Clint Eastwood's charachters go in search of $200,000 burried in a grave marked 'unk..unk..unk-known'. bet Gerry finds it first.
ReplyDeleteWhen the SF membership which is obviously hypnotised en-mass by Adams+co hear those fateful words 1-2-3- AND YOU'RE BACK IN THE ROOM!they will look around to see a Northern Ireland safe within the UK. No Nazi/B specials required and no facist unionist politics necessary. Also a catholic community fully participant and happy with a Stormont government. Craig and Carson would be teary eyed.
Still, SF legacy is a peace process that other conflict zones can delve through and see how careerists and governments behave in such circumstances. They can also see how SF gave up 800 yrs history for jobs. A warning to other liberation movements worldwide in search of a peace strategy.
Lastly, the joke will be firmly on SF as the Northern Ireland catholic middle class torpedo any referendom on unity, prefering cozy secure UK status to the corrupt bubble + bust IMF gombeen Southern alternative.
Marty,
ReplyDeleteyou have hit the nail on the proverbial head, perpetual apologies seem to be the order of the day.
There is however more than a degree of irony in the fact, that while these former revolutionaries confess to the flaws in their past, their great leader still cringingly denies his.
belfastgit,
ReplyDeletethomasforde2 you are a member of SF, says it all really when you refer to Republicans as "paramilitaries." You would get on the phone as quick as any tout if Gerry and Marty told you to!
Think Adams+co. have burried Irish unity with everything/one else. Poll on the internet today says 73%in the north wish to remain in the UK. Including a majority of taigs.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant strategy SF + its gimps, surrender dressed up in a 'process' and jobs for the willing.
These peace processes are in danger of being nothing more than escape routes for rats.
If i could predict that, it's beyond belief the SF/SB leadership didn't predict it.
michaelhenry..if ur out there, YOU ARE BRITISH. And staying that way!!
belfastgit,
ReplyDeletethe fact that i refered to a republican group as a paramilitary organisation means nothing. I would have referred to PIRA as the same but does not mean i didnt support them.
If you had bothered to read my post you would know that despite my support for Sinn Fein and their strategy i would not give info to the authorities.
You seem to think that every member of SF kneel to the leadership and that individuals within the party are incapable of forming their own opinions and acting on them how they see fit. If you believe this it is a bit pathetic Belfastgit. your argument is incorrect and silly, but maybe it's just how you would like SF's members to be viewed
Larry-
ReplyDeletebritish and not proud are you-
Are you saying that Marty- fionnuala- colin duffy- harry fitzsiimons are british-
You are talking about us all- not just me-
thomasforde2, my argument is not silly. I know quite a lot of SF members who, like you, wouldn't lift the phone on other Republicans, but you say you are independent thinking and so on. Bring one of your independent thoughts up at the next cumann meeting and I bet you are lashed out the door on your hole!
ReplyDeleteBelfast git,
ReplyDelete"I know quite a lot of SF members who, like you, wouldn't lift the phone on other Republicans" Then don't make silly assumptions about me as you did in your previous post- "You would get on the phone as quick as any tout if Gerry and Marty told you to!"
My cumann talks freely about concerns or issues, debate is healthy and to date i have not been lashed out the door
michaelhenry
ReplyDeleteColin Duffy is more akin to the Basques. He is refusing to accept British authority. SF members now trying to equate themselves as the same whilst administering it is simply confirmation of how complete their self-delusion is.
thomasforde2,
ReplyDeleteI was not making "silly assumptioms" I was pointing out to you, that as a member of SF, you have to toe the line. At your next cumann meeting, say that you don't agree with Marty's direction, or, Gerry's direction and see how long you last!
Marty,
ReplyDeleteThere are serious question about West Belfast. Colossal political mismanagement went on there and it is useless to blame it all on the Brits, not that much can be said in their favour. Adams was not a productive MP for the constituency. I actually thought Squinter was OTT when he made the charge he did (even while admiring his courage for saying it) but since then I have come to the conclusion that Squinter had it right. It is hard to argue with the evidence. Allowing ex-prisoners to milk the community sector jobs is not economic progress. Feeney is a sharp analyst. I have never seen him as a groupie.
Alec,
‘Adam's opposed the 74/75 ceasefire on the grounds that Brits had no
intention of withdrawing and were using the period to undermine the
IRA's ability to return to war. At the time, Adams and the Dark were
promoting the idea of the long war, therefore, it is arguable that, he
more than any other, was responsible for committing the IRA to another
twenty years of armed struggle.’
A truism at this point.
AM
ReplyDeleteI agree allowing ex-prisoners to milk the community sector jobs is not a sign of economic progress. But is it such a crime, human nature being what it is. If you choose the road Adams did, surely it is easy to see why some may think it is the most sensible thing to do. Especially in the short term.
The failure of SF is over time, they could not come up with an alternative, which meant the UK state super glued many of the PRMs leading members to this particular tit, as if their very lives depended on it.
Mick,
ReplyDeleteno, it is not a crime at all. They need to work and if we look at the Mary McArdle case we can see just how difficult it can be for ex- prisoners who are going to be battered when the opportunity arises. She should not be removed from the post.
What makes it detrimental is when it is courtesy of the power of patronage; when the ex-prisoner in order to stay in position has to stay on message and put the boot into those who do not. There are so many ex-prisoners in these jobs contradicting everything they ever said and burning old comrades.
'The failure of SF is over time, they could not come up with an alternative, which meant the UK state super glued many of the PRMs leading members to this particular tit, as if their very lives depended on it.'
That's probably more damning than anything I said!
Marty,
ReplyDelete‘I see the bearded one has been caught out again! Lying.’
Stating the obvious!
Mick,
‘Without the armed struggle does any honest person really believe we would be were we are today? I for one do not.’
Where exactly are we? In terms of republicanism, the country is no closer to being united. I think in 1966 on the 50th anniversary of the Easter Rising most Irish people probably thought that the NI state would collapse before the apartheid one; that unity would be achieved in 50 years time. It is not remotely close to it. Then there is the serious question of why an armed struggle was necessary to get so little. I know when I was in the Republican Movement and all throughout my jail time that the type of thing in place today was considered a serious defeat. None of these things were ever considered as worthy republican objectives.
‘once Adams went down the road of outright denial he has no road back.’
He could simply say ‘no comment’ instead of inviting the ridicule he does. Much of the interest in him is spurred by the denials. ‘No comment’ would not produce anything like the same response.
Nuala,
‘Adams, helped create and nurture this apology culture.’
It is a pretence. I don’t know if there is anybody other than the terminally hollow who believe the IRA did not carry out the Whitecross operation or kill Joanne Mathers or Joe O’Connor. The apologies are not genuine but are used for political purposes.
There is also the issue of what we are supposed to do when we conclude that we were wrong. The IRA long apologised for some operations like La Mon.
Setting Adams aside on the issue of war criminality, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that enforced disappearances is a war crime or a crime against humanity. It seems to be everywhere else.
'Without the armed struggle does any honest person really believe we would be were we are today? I for one do not.’
ReplyDeleteAM
Your point about no comment was exactly my point when I wrote once Adams went down the road of outright denial he has no road back. But whilst there may be much to crucify him for I do not believe this is one.
As to the above quote I am happy to stand over it, whilst we are not where you and I would prefer to be the situation on the ground in the north is far better for nationalists than it was before 1969.
Today, no Unionist bigot who has political ambitions would publicly talk the talk of their forebears. Whether those days return will depend on a number of things which I do not have the space to go into here.
But more importantly; you and comrades like you are still alive and out of jail and given the calibre of so many working class volunteers I for one rejoice.
One of the saddest things about many republicans who have joined groups like Real, Óglaigh na hÉireann, etc, is the one more heave this time with a clean leadership mentality prevails. It is as if all that is bad lays at Adams feet and all good is down to some anonymous being, the truth is a tad more complicated than that as I am certain you understand.
The writing was on the table for the PIRA in the late 80s early 90s when volunteers who had seen the inside of a jail, served their time and returned to active service were being killed or rearrested and imprisoned a second time around. It is hard not to conclude they were being sent out because not enough youngsters were coming through. In the end a dads army rarely fights a successful war.
Basically despite the Provos resources and stamina the war was going no where. Yes it could have been managed at a low level of intensity, perhaps indefinitely, but at what cost to volunteers, comrades like you would have ended your days in jail, or worse and the communities from which came came, did they not deserve a period of peace.
Having said all this much of the discord could have been avoided if the Adams leadership had kept themselves at arms length from the New Labour government. When John Major said he had received 'that' message from the Provos we all scoffed bollocks, little did we understand the level of collusion which would later take place.
If the PRM truly believe they have nothing to be ashamed of, they should publish online the minutes of all talks between themselves and representatives of the British government.
Not least to help arm future generations of republican and revolutionaries around the world to understand the possible pitfalls and mistakes when negotiating with perfidious albion.
Mick,
ReplyDelete‘But whilst there may be much to crucify him for I do not believe this is one.’
Even though he undermines every call for an inquiry into the British?
‘the situation on the ground in the north is far better for nationalists than it was before 1969.’
But was the armed struggle worth it or necessary to get us there? Particularly as this was clearly outlined as a defeat during the armed struggle.
‘Today, no Unionist bigot who has political ambitions would publicly talk the talk of their forebears.’
A change in language is hardly worth the effort that went in.
‘Whether those days return will depend on a number of things which I do not have the space to go into here.’
I don’t think they will return.
‘But more importantly; you and comrades like you are still alive and out of jail and given the calibre of so many working class volunteers I for one rejoice.’
Which is not really the point.
‘One of the saddest things about many republicans who have joined groups like Real, Óglaigh na hÉireann, etc, is the one more heave this time with a clean leadership mentality prevails. It is as if all that is bad lays at Adams feet and all good is down to some anonymous being, the truth is a tad more complicated than that as I am certain you understand.’
Strikes me that what you have outlined is a standard response from the Left to its perpetual failures. I am sure you have had your fill of it listening to the Torts. It is always some trade union leader or Labour bureaucrat who has sold out. It has never struck me as persuasive. So I agree with you. Could Adams have avoided the defeat of the IRA? I don’t see how.
‘The writing was on the table for the PIRA in the late 80s early 90s when volunteers who had seen the inside of a jail, served their time and returned to active service were being killed or rearrested and imprisoned a second time around. It is hard not to conclude they were being sent out because not enough youngsters were coming through.’
There were enough coming through. I saw no shortage of them. That so many from the jails reported back was largely to do with the culture in the jail, how men came to define themselves through the IRA, the weight of the hunger strikers. It wasn’t because they were needed for their expertise in the IRA. Most would have been miles behind the game compared to the young lads coming through who quickly learned the tricks of survival when it came to being cute about the Brits on the ground and forensically aware.
People have every right to believe that the IRA lost the war and that this is not a republican outcome without being hounded for it.
Wouldn't it at least be a start if a memorial wall (similar to the Vietnam Vetran memorial) was built and it listed all the people who died during the conflict..Every where in in North there are memorial gardens, plaques etc listing friends, comrades and loved ones who lost their lives.
ReplyDeleteI got to thinking about because of the spatt in Belfast's city council last night about how the two corporals should be remembered.
People will argue about who was right, wrong well into the next century...Not everyone will get justice and not everyone will tell the truth. But a Vietnam Vet type memorial listing everyone who died. They where all victims.
Frankie,
ReplyDeleteit would lead to a row with people arguing that the perps, whoever they are, should not be on it. As I keep saying it is about recrimination not reconciliation.