By the time I reached the GPO - the obvious destination of the smaller contingent - it was awash in a sea of green, white and orange, creating the imagery of a Nuremburg rally only infinitesimally smaller. For now, such a gargantuan following is only a wet dream for Irish Nazis. I strained my neck to see if there was any sign of a main speaker, maybe Tommy Robinson or Nigel Farage, the friends of Irish fascists. The late Bill Craig of Ulster Vanguard, or the UDA's Johnny Adair, would not have been out of place on a podium in their midst, the flags no longer a minor irritant a la Coolock Says No at the fascist rally in Belfast. When the tricolour does loyalist bidding loyalism will not say no.
Those I had initially observed through a bus window seconds earlier as it passed the Gresham were hoisting tricolours and chanting something which sounded like Sieg Heil, but most likely wasn't. Ireland's foremost hatriots usually speak only English not German, and Gaeilge is treated much like a foreign language to them. I could make out the wording on a banner which said the Irish people will not be beaten. Which I found ironic given that Irish people are beaten frequently enough by the thugs associated with the far right, many of whom have court convictions for violence.
On the way back from Lucan hours later, they were still milling about the city's main street. As the bus proceeded to Upper O'Connell Street, the green, white and orange faded out, in its place a cosmopolitan mix of people. A coat of many colours was buttoned around the street as people in unusually large numbers waited for public transport, most of them gazing up at the supremacists who look down upon them. The thought might have crossed the mind of some that they were close to the spot where a Luas tram had been burnt almost a year ago during the hate riots that gripped the city centre after a call had gone out for fascists to assemble and kill any foreigner they could get their hands on. Which presumably meant the Brazilian man who had intervened to protect children from a vicious knife attack some hours earlier.
The bus took a circuitous route so by the time I disembarked we were back near the Liffey once again. Not wanting to set a personal record for the number of times I had crossed that river in one day, I jumped off when the driver opened the doors in response to an impatient but polite passenger, eager to get home. On my way into Talbot Street a plurality of colours and languages could be seen and heard each step of the way. None of this was menacing. I didn't feel I was going to be set upon and beaten, called a white Irish bastard. I would not have walked with such confidence had I by chance alighted from my bus in the midst of the hate mob.
Earlier on the way out to Lucan, I sat beside what I took to be a Muslim woman given her attire. She dozed off beside me and I nudged her just incase she missed her stop. Tired, she told me she was on her way to a job interview in Leixlip, where she hoped to pick up a cleaner post. The thought of her cleaning up after the hatriots, many of whom think a job is a disease, brought to mind the old joke about the far right skinhead sitting in his local beerhall.
A small guy walks up to him and asks: 'would you like a blowjob?'The racist lifts the barstool he had been sitting on and knocks the man unconscious before kicking his victim around the head, being deterred only by customers who did not want to witness a murder.Before cuffing him, An Garda (this time they actually did turn up) asks: 'what did he say so awful that you beat him with such ferocity?'Racist says: 'dunno. Something about a job.'
On my way home that evening I passed a number of churches but no mobs with tricolours anywhere in sight. Odd, if the hatriots, as they so often claim, are really intent on protecting children from rape.
I thought I had ended the day by attending a fascinating event in Drogheda organised by the Death Cafe where an embalmer held court. Once over, I almost fell through the door ready for bed, just to discover my wife had RTE Investigates: Inside The Protests, ready to go. For me Studs Terkel might have got it wrong in claiming Hope Dies Last. The day that was in it suggested otherwise, that Hate Dies Last. I even went to bed with the toxic words of a fishwife filmed by the Investigation ringing in my ears, Nigger.
⏩Follow on Twitter @AnthonyMcIntyre. |
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeletechungus, if you're confused about this type of reasoning maybe you should give up trying to understand politics or in fact anything at all. The world of politics isn't black and white and if nuance like this is lost on you there's no hope for you.
DeleteThis isn't even subtle nuance but quite clear to anybody who understands loyalism, republicanism, racism and reconciliation.
Really enjoyed this. I absolutely agree with the sentiment and benevolence of cosmopolitan Dublin. Or anywhere else for that matter. It is a great thing. But may I just add, I detect a lack of empathy on your part. Many of the people protesting today, I am sure, are at the bottom of the barrel, living in half-way houses, struggling with addiction and God knows what else.
ReplyDeleteToday on my lunch break I listened to Mary Lou McDonald on the radio and she disregarded these people in a similar manner. Yes there are definitely some bad apples controlling the narrative and fueling the problem, but when I see many of the people at these protests, the ‘Pedagogy of the Oppressed’ by Paulo Freire immediately comes to mind. To objectify and dehumanize them further will not help in my view.
Gowain - I think it important to retain empathy. I have empathy for people who have concerns about immigration policy. I speak with them all the time. I have no empathy with mobs who scream in tune with the 'fascists get them out.' Much as I have no empathy with those white working class poor who turned out to hurl abuse at the children of Holy Cross. I think that is the point of convergence between the Irish far right and loyalism: The similarities between Holy Cross and what we witnessed on Prime Time Investigates seems pretty striking to me.
DeleteThere were quite enough bottom of the barrel types in the Nazi Party and SS. They also join the drugs gangs yet there is little empathy for them when they do. Why should my empathy be extended to them when they attach themselves to the hate mobs but not the drugs cartels?
I am familiar with Pedagogy of the Oppressed, having first read it towards the end of the Blanket Protest when we finally got books. Your point is? I more identify with Napoleon's observation that amongst the oppressed are many who like to oppress.
Hope you enjoyed the joke!!
Yeah empathy doesn't butter the spuds. You have no obligation to spend it.
DeleteThe protest at crown paints was going on for two months, and the marches in support of the protest got probably the biggest numbers in Dublin out side the city centre in god knows. Marches heald in the evening or weekend because despite assumptions some people with taboo opinions actually work.
In 2019 the building got turned down for planning permission for appartments. It's full of asbestos and is deemed an industrial zone.
In 2023 the planning laws got changed. Basically anything with a roof can get turned into an accommodation centre with out objection and a nice earner for the other class seen in that documentary.
Some people took their objections to the ballot box and didn't turn out for SF in that area
Maybe they are an under class maybe they aren't. Doubt they would ascribe that label to themselves. Does it matter, does it change material facts. That in 2019 they could object to change of use through democratic processes. That in 2024 they can't.
People in the south watching riots in the north on BBC and RTΓ had to look past how the people doing the rioting were framed for the story. Well they didn't have to, some did and some didn't.
Who, what, when, were, why and how seems to be by the ways on this issue in general if it's from those who see un armies forming across the land or those who see fascism around every corner. It's not going to change until those questions come back, who, what, where, why and how.
There was a counter protest of unwashed Leftie / Commies ( mainly from posh areas ) . When three middle aged men with nothing better to do on a workday afternoon were asked on a Youtube interview whether they would accommodate asylum seekers , they said " NO " . Thanks to limitless immigration all 8 newly built houses near where I live in Dublin have been bought by Indians , & other nationalities . 900 k for a very modest 3 bed house with no garage space & tiny gardens is totally out of reach for the indigenous population , explains why 600,000 kidults humiliatingly still reside with parents in the country with the most expensive housing in Europe .
ReplyDeleteUnlimited immigration will tear the 26 counties apart within 3 years . Some Republicans have seen the light & oppose it . The rest of Europe & Middle East are dumping their unwanted on gullible lapdog Paddy . Who wants to live in a suburb called Ireland that is a mere extension of Lagos & Karachi etc ? Irish culture is so dead , 40 % of leaving cert students don't pass the modest leaving cert Gaeilge exam . The 26 counties are as independent as the 6 up north - Washington & Brussels have replaced London as the puppet masters .
Red Ron, you seem to be oblivious to the actual problems with housing. Speculation from individuals, corporations and no legislation to protect the ordinary man. If the law was changed to prevent Google and other corporations from buying up multiple properties and renters' rights were strengthened in the fashion of France or Germany there would still be problems but nothing in comparison to the status quo. You need rent controls, protection from eviction and more housing built. The absence of these protections aren't the fault of immigrants.
DeleteYou are obviously unschooled in immigration law. There isn't limitless immigration. Both economic migration and the asylum process are under strict rules.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeletechungus - If you don't see the difference between discussion to promote understanding and the physical joining together of Irish traitors with loyalists in common cause and violence against people who aren't white I can't help you.
DeleteI personally wouldn't give loyalists space to speak but Anthony does and it works on a platform such as this.
The alliance of the Irish right with loyalism is akin to the understanding between the IPLO and the Billy Wright's UVF in the illicit drug market. Nothing positive to show.
There is good and bad in all humans. A few weeks ago i was on a bus coming from Croke pk, Dublins last day in the championship in 2024. The bus stopped at Eden quay for a bit to change drivers. While looking out the window i could see a group of new Irish enjoying the evening sun, sharing pills, smoking weed a continuous streem of customers walking up to engage in commerce. I was sitting beside someone who I presume was a Gael because on their aitire and had a chat about the championship. Nothing surprising in that, it's human.
ReplyDeleteIf fallibility of character is the Trump card then no argument has the high ground because all humans are fallible.
Immigration from a government organization point of view is a process and talking about it for taxpayers is fair game just like anything else their money is spent on.
It's legitimate to question if the state is enforcing its own rules.
It's legitimate to question an fdi model that doesn't recruit locally while the most educated generation of Irish people ever are emmigrating during a boom.
It's legitimate to question work visas for unskilled labour when the rate of youth unemployment in recent years is 3 times the average
It's not ok to physically or verbally attack someone because of their skin or the way they pray but that's it, that's the line, the process is fair game for taxpayers, and that includes immigrants as well.
The immigrant who arrives today is also competing with the immigrant who arrives tomorrow for accommodation and wages.
No one seems to have a monopoly on looking at all this in a binary fashion.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeletechungus I didn't frame the Blanket's inclusion of loyalist voices as reconciliation. I said the difference between the Irish far right linking up with Loyalists compared to the Blanket isn't "even subtle nuance but quite clear to anybody who understands loyalism, republicanism, racism and reconciliation." After reading this you go off on a tangent on reconciliation and waffling again on bad and good loyalists. The Blanket encouraged understanding which is essential for reconciliation. This doesn't mean it lead to any. You need an understanding of the four subjects to make a coherent and informed analysis of Anthony's article. I didn't describe anything as reconciliation, I said you needed to understand it along with other things to make an informed comment. Yours wasn't an informed comment. Your misunderstanding of my comment is just like your misunderstanding of the topic as a whole. You just don't get it, maybe intentionally so. You're a bluffer and you bluff yourself.
DeleteYou criticise the Blanket for collaboration by giving loyalists a platform to speak on the one hand and you don't criticise the far right for its dalliance with Loyalism. The very same criticism you made of Anthony can be fired back at you but you just don't get that do you? Personally, I wouldn't give Loyalists the time of day. But go ahead and knock yourself out.
Simon - The Blanket, as you point out, did not view its mission as one of reconciliation. I imagine we took the view that the reconciliation industry was for the most part a racket, aways designed to be reconciling but never to achieve reconciliation.
DeleteThe Blanket's main function was to provide a platform for other voices, thus allowing dissent and free inquiry.
I don't believe I was aware that you had objections to loyalists featuring on The Blanket. I am sure a lot of people did not approve but The Blanket never sought the approval of an audience.
TPQ, while a much less serious venture than The Blanket, has done the same. It has allowed a wide range of opinion including far right so long as it was not advocating harm or hate. For long enough TPQ carried pieces by Matt Treacy until he chose not to run them any longer. While I never agreed with Matt on much I nevertheless found his view interesting, and something to be overcome by alternative arguments rather than suppression.
Even today, TPQ opens the week with John Coulter who describes himself as a right wing unionist.
I suppose it raises the question of whether far right ideas should see the light of day. I fail to see how a serious understanding of the issues can be arrived at if we use a Section 31 against such ideas.
I have also seen people like Niall Boylan described as far right when the worst, in my view, that can be said about him is that he is conservative. But so too was Roger Scruton, some of whose work I am familiar with.
Anthony, I thought it a courageous and ambitious project to include all shades of opinion so approved of it as a project. However, and I know this is hypocritical, I meant if I had a blog I wouldn't give loyalists a voice. Loyalism was terrorism pure and simple. Loyalism in theory and in practice targeted innocent civilians because they were Catholics. Very few of their targets were combatants. They had an excuse to say they weren't really sectarian that this was to put pressure on the IRA to stop but at the same time many loyalists stated that a particular IRA atrocity was the catalyst for their participation. So, the killing of innocent Protestants fueled violence while the killing of innocent Catholics was meant to stop it on the Republican side. The fact that they were terrorists and the fact that they come up with this nonsense propaganda to excuse their killing means I wouldn't give them a platform.
DeleteThat is the heart speaking although the brain tells me the Blanket and the Quill is successful because it gives opposing views a voice. I know that you don't do anything for approval but since you thought the opposite I thought I'd let you know that I support your endeavors wholeheartedly. Hypocrisy I know, I just can't intellectually marry the two.
'Empathy doesn't butter the spuds', is the best line I have heard in a long time. Laughing all morning over it. Would make a great T shirt.
ReplyDeleteSomething the Mayo parents and grandparents would have said. The facts, the facts, the facts.
DeleteWhat actually changed and when, regarding the seemingly sharp rise in immigration numbers? What was/is the root cause?
ReplyDeleteMy bet quantitive easing. More dollars and euros rammed up inflation hitting economies that use those currencies in the black market first. Men leave to find work
DeleteThe over throw of gadafi created a path way across the Mediterranean.
This lead to quantitive easing with people. Surplus labour Creating competition at the lower sections of the economy consentrating inflationry pressures there.
Similar process in america and similar response from the Clinton disciples.
Quantitive easing with money first then quarantine easing with people.
BAC 12 Your comment is a perfect illustration of why assumption is the mother of all cock-ups. Without evidence your comment is mere supposition.
DeleteThe actual reason for the sharp boost in immigration numbers is the number from Ukraine. Even taking into account a smaller planet and easier travel the numbers from Ukraine are the reason for the spike.
There are now 108,000 Ukrainians in Ireland (from March 2022).
Every year there are substantial numbers of Irish citizens who are returning to Ireland, UK citizens and EU citizens. There were 86,800 immigrants from all other countries including Ukraine in 2023-24.
In 2023 only 13,000 people applied for asylum.
The number of Ukrainians coming in 2022-2023 was 42,000 out of a total of 81,100 immigrants who weren't returning Irish, UK, or EU. I'll do the maths for you - over half! That's your answer not quantitative easing.
Places across the Mediterranean have had severe economic problems for hundreds of years. Primarily because of colonialism. Quantitative easing? lol
Stevie,
DeleteLook no further back than the Neo-Cons in America in '90s, Tony Blair and Angela Merkel's open door policy....Throw what Keir Stammer rubber-stamped when he was in charge of the CPS....
Then add on successive illegal wars in the Middle East, failed coup d'etat in the Middle East, the West's war in Afghan, and NATO's proxy war in Ukraine...
Foreign travel ( compared with pre 2000 ) is relatively cheap & easy . Document forgery has been facilitated by the growth of pc usage .
ReplyDeleteWars in the Middle East .
Simon
ReplyDeleteFair point Simon but the temporary protection directive only covers one aspect of immigration.
The asylum figures you quote for the total of 2023 have already been surpassed by August 2024 https://ipo.gov.ie/en/IPO/20240910%20IPO%20Website%20Stats%20Aug%202024%20FINAL.pdf/Files/20240910%20IPO%20Website%20Stats%20Aug%202024%20FINAL.pdf
There are work visa schemes. 30,000 issued last year https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/publications/publication-files/permits-by-sector-2023.xlsx
Of course what is happening in Ireland is not particularly unique. https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/news/european-migration-network-releases-annual-report-migration-and-asylum-2023-2024-07-08_en
Quantitive easing as a cause of inflation has been talked about for a while now, it's debated, some say it doesn't but printing aload of money and releasing it out, not sure why it wouldn't https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/quantitative-easing-generates-more-inflation-conventional-monetary-policy
Immigration as a means to bring down inflation has also been talked about for a while now https://insights.bu.edu/economists-say-increasing-immigration-will-reduce-inflation/
I think the links look a bit messy. Apologies about that
@ Simon
ReplyDeleteI found your comment re loyalism interesting. I began writing about loyalist from a position of absolute hostility. Disgust, really, if I'm honest. I view the loyalist campaign of violence as one of the most classic and unambiguous examples of terrorism: violence inflicted upon a civilian population. I believed that the supposed "strategy" of loyalist terrorists, to murder, abuse and intimidate the Catholic population into somehow "stopping" the IRA was simply self-justifying nonsense, made up after the fact to posit sectarian murder in a military framework.
And I still think there's much truth in those positions. But studying loyalism made me view their terrorism differently. The loyalist community has its myths and legends, and an arguable societal conditioning that created a sense of supremacy. It could be argued that the sectarian terrorism of the 1920s defeated republicanism in Belfast. I don't know if that informed the thinking of loyalist leaders in the 1970s, but it may have been present.
Psychologically, loyalism is interesting. Supremacists who occupy the least esteemed rung of the PUL ladder, and who almost certainly in their hearts don't feel superior, or anything approaching it. I think loyalist terrorism was a kind of acting out, a bewildered group of people seeing all they held dear being destroyed and apparently being powerless to stop it. Republicans destroyed much of the apparatus of the Orange stage and loyalists busied themselves murdering Catholics, and hundreds of their own people in feuds or by accident, to no tangible effect. Without taking anything away from the incredible grief and suffering loyalist terrorism inflicted, there is something pathetic about the killings they committed for much of the Troubles. Again, the juxtaposition of the power of the IRA against the oft-derided haplessness of loyalist paramilitaries will not have been lost on loyalists.
"That is the heart speaking although the brain tells me the Blanket and the Quill is successful because it gives opposing views a voice."
Hearing some of the opposing views allowed me a level of nuance and understanding of loyalism that I simply wouldn't have had otherwise, and it happened in this blog. I wish more loyalists would comment and write, here, and elsewhere. Now when I write about loyalism, I have one of two commenters here on my mind, people whose commentary I value, and who I don't wish to offend.
It helped take me out of a mindset that was uninformed. I still remain implacably opposed to loyalism: I just think I'm better at stating my case now.
Frankie, Russia intervened in Syria to flood the EU with millions of refugees in order to destabilise it and to aid the cause of Brexshit and Nigel Fagash. The CPS prosecuted the grooming hangs with vigour under the Asian Muslim NW England prosecutor. Russia invaded Ukraine
ReplyDeleteBarry - Russia seeking to cause an immigration problem for the West is an interesting perspective but is there any data or credible research to back it up? Russia, being a right wing capitalist state, is capable of anything other right wing capitalist states are prone to but a capability on its own does not amount to a policy or a practice.
ReplyDelete