Written by Tricia Bacon.
Recommended by Christy Walsh.
This deliberate and repeatedly targeting of civilian places, like mosques, schools, markets and hospitals, by the Zionists-American Coalition are manifestations of an extremely evil psyche that is overflowing with hatred and contempt… This false and immoral play was carried out by the cowardly Zionist army in Al-Shifa Hospital after killing pre-mature babies, the sick, the wounded, and the displaced, and after they and the Americans screamed and wailed that this hospital was the centre of the jihadis leadership in Gaza. Then it became clear after all this blatant quackery that there was no trace of a single gunman in it. Their real intention was to destroy magnetic imaging devices and the like, which are used to diagnose the life of a wounded person, and by which the life is preserved. The missiles that are burning our proud brothers in Gaza comes from the American and European bases that are sitting on our chests and sitting on out land…
This message did not come from Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran. It came from al-Qaeda. Admittedly, the Sunni jihadist movement, including al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, and their affiliates, is unlikely to shape the trajectory of the conflict in Gaza.
This deliberate and repeatedly targeting of civilian places, like mosques, schools, markets and hospitals, by the Zionists-American Coalition are manifestations of an extremely evil psyche that is overflowing with hatred and contempt… This false and immoral play was carried out by the cowardly Zionist army in Al-Shifa Hospital after killing pre-mature babies, the sick, the wounded, and the displaced, and after they and the Americans screamed and wailed that this hospital was the centre of the jihadis leadership in Gaza. Then it became clear after all this blatant quackery that there was no trace of a single gunman in it. Their real intention was to destroy magnetic imaging devices and the like, which are used to diagnose the life of a wounded person, and by which the life is preserved. The missiles that are burning our proud brothers in Gaza comes from the American and European bases that are sitting on our chests and sitting on out land…
This message did not come from Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran. It came from al-Qaeda. Admittedly, the Sunni jihadist movement, including al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, and their affiliates, is unlikely to shape the trajectory of the conflict in Gaza.
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"This deliberate and repeatedly targeting of civilian places, like mosques, schools, markets and hospitals, by the Zionists-American Coalition are manifestations of an extremely evil psyche that is overflowing with hatred and contempt…"
ReplyDeleteAs opposed to the targeting and slaughter of 250 kids at a rave? Throwing dead half naked females into the back of jeeps on TV for the world and her loved ones to see? Stop with the massive hypocrisy.
What else do you expect from an Al Qaeda statement?
DeleteAnd when we think of the horrendous and unpardonable slaughter at the rave we are immediately drawn to the infinitely more murderous slaughter of the children of Gaza. The Kapo state has no respect for the lives of children but works from a racist supremacist perspective that the lives of Palestinian children are there for the taking. The Nazi attitude runs so deep that Gil Goebbels wrote a piece praising the Kapos for the moral clarity they have brought to the world through their war on children.
Neither actions are pardonable. Israel needs to get the fuck out and the UN needs a peace keeping outfit in there...not that there's going to be anything left. They've pulverised the shit out of the place. I'm not expecting they'll turn the water or electricity on anytime soon. A lot of rhetoric from the Arab world but no actual help for the gazans says a lot too.
DeleteIt is without doubt that Israel has committed war crimes. Revenge, as a dish best served cold, is never a suitable strategy for defence or justice.
ReplyDeleteBut Islamist supremacist groups like Hamas have no regard for the lives of Jewish children as we saw on 7/10 and many occasions previously with other Palestine resistance groups showing equal disregard.
ReplyDeleteTheocratic fascism has an appalling attitude to Jewish children. Yet, they murder far few children than the Israeli state.
DeleteSteve, what exactly would UN troops do? Dismantle Hamas infrastructure?
ReplyDeleteMy first thought is to stop the Israelis wiping the civilians out Barry.
DeleteBetween 1933 and 1945 a modern industrial power committed the entire resources of its state towards the extermination of an entire ethnic group
ReplyDeletenot for military advantage or in response to the rape and murder of German civilians but because of that group's existence. The instruments of this mass murder ranged from mass shootings to gas chambers and were deployed entirely on the ground and behind enemy lines.
That was only part of what the Nazis did. The entire resources of the state were mobilised to secure a much wider objective. Moreover, Nazi strategy on the Jews evolved. Much like Israeli strategy towards the Palestinians. But Netanyahu has conveyed his genocidal intent before October 7. Is there anybody seriously doubts that the Palestinians would be put in gas chambers if the Israelis could get away with it?
DeleteHorrendous though the effects of the Israeli onslaught on Gaza have been, they are more comparable to the war crimes of the US in Indochina, the Saudis in Yemen, USSR in Afghanistan and US in Iraq due to their indiscriminate nature. It's not a rerun of the conquering of Europe by the Third Reich or a pre-planned genocide.
ReplyDeleteWar crimes are war crimes - there has never been a war crims that cannot be described as Nazi-like, including all those you mentioned. What makes the war on Gaza so revolting internationally is the focus on mass murder of children.
DeleteThe uniqueness of the Holocaust lies less in the ethnicity of the victims and their quantity of suffering compared to Operation Barborassa but in the singularity of the erasure of the existence and memory of an entire people
ReplyDeleteThere is no uniqueness there - the Hutus did likewise to the Tutsis. Hitler was barbaric but that would hardly secure for him a spot in Dante's hell that Netanyahu would not also be entitled to claim.
DeleteIt was also a specifically Jewish experience and since Judeophobia in all its forms was front and central to Nazism, invoking Nazi comparisons with Israel are invidious not least because of the absence of evidence. Jews can certainly be racist and supremacist and even fascist but not Nazis.
ReplyDeleteJews have been convicted in Israel for being Nazis - they daybed swastikas on the walls of synagogues and beat up Holocaust survivors. So Jewishness alone does not provide immunisation from Nazism.
DeleteAnd once it is accepted that that Jews can be Fascist, supremacist and war criminals then any difference with Nazism becomes a matter if semantics.
I think it is more invidious to label someone anti-Semitic for comparing the Israelis to the Nazis than it is to make the comparison. Are we to accuse Yeshayahu Leibowitz of invidious behaviour or antisemitism for coining the phrase Judeo-Nazi and other Jews who use it?
Good to have you back Barry discussing something other than sport.
ReplyDeleteLeibowitz was warning of the possibility of Judeo-Nazism rather than making foundational comparisons between Israel and Nazism. He actually subsequently won an academic award in Israel if I am not mistaken. Nazi-Israel comparisons simply do not stack up as Israel behind the Green Line is still a representative democracy and is not a totalitarian state run by an eliminationist party like the NSDAP and whatever the misdeeds of Israel in the West Bank and Gaza, their crimes simply do not compute with those committed by the Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Pots and Assads. Trump, Orban, Berlusconi, Putin and other such populist and corrupt right wing nationalists are the more appropriate comparators to Netananyu. But the rhetorical effect of Israel-Nazi comparisons is a politically antizionist one; comparing Israel as a representation of Jewishness with the ultimate in evil served the same function in political antisemitism as the medieval slander that Jews killed Christian children for their blood to be baked in Matzo bread - the association of Jews and Judaism with the ultimate in evil. That neither lacks any evidential basis matters not to the accusers - they make and repeat the slurs in the Gobbelsian Big | Lie manner so that it becomes an article of deluded faith. Just like the associations between the MMR vaccine and autism is still made by anti-vaxxers despite all the evidence to the contrary. Rational Argument with such delusory and dangerous beliefs are just impossible. They need to be isolated.
ReplyDeleteHe was saying quite more than that. He was describing Israeli policy in the Occupied Territories as Nazi-like. He lambasted the Supreme Court judge as a Judeo-Nazi for legalising torture. He won awards when there was more room for discussion and dissent in Israel. They refused to name a street after him in Jerusalem because they could not stand his criticism of them.
ReplyDeleteIsrael as a representative democracy is a myth - real article of deluded faith. It is an apartheid state. It is inexorably moving further into the world of fascism. It is run by an eliminationist party whose leaders have been advocating genocide. A Jewish state for a Jewish people cannot by definition be a representative democracy which it could lay plausible claim to if it were an Israeli state for Israeli people.
Netanyahu is every bit as evil as Assad and there should be no problem in describing either of the two as Nazis.
What do you think is a more Gobbelsian Big Lie - the statement that the IDF operates more like the Einsatzgruppen or that the IDF is the world's most moral army?
They are neither.
ReplyDeleteWar crimes occurred long before the Nazis. What makes the crimes of the Nazis uniquely evil were that they were committed on behalf of a master race ideology based not on opposition to military and economic rivals but to other people's merely because of their existence.
ReplyDeleteWar crimes have been with us since the advent of war. The Nazis became the quintessential war criminals and now are the pointsmen in universal discourse about war crimes. Nazism is not just defined by ideology but methodology as well. This is what makes the greatest crime of WW2 not the Holocaust but the war of extermination in the East. It was not just driven by ideological beliefs but by Lebensraum.
DeleteAll war crime can be compared to Nazi war crime. It is quite legitimate to do so. There is no war crime that cannot be described as Nazi-like, whether perpetrated by Assad or Netanyahu. Such is the international revulsion at Nazi-like war crime by Israel that it is almost friendless in the UN. Its isolation is contagious for the US. The damage done to its reputation as a result of hanging out with the Judeo-Nazis is incalculable. And the Ukrainians can thank their lucky stars that it is the Russians who are murdering them rather than the Israelis - otherwise we know what side the West would be arming. Is there anybody out there who now seriously believes that the Biden regime cares about Ukrainian citizens?
Putin looks civilised compared to Netanyahu.
I would neither claim that the IDF is the most moral army in the world nor that it is like the Einsatzgtuppen which existed to eradicate the entire Jewish population of the USSR by pre planned mass shootings of ultimately 1.2m people away from the theatre of combat.
ReplyDeleteI think the character of the IDF as Einsatzgruppen came to the fore when they murdered the hostages or the women in the chapel. The amount of children murdered is no accident. These people would be as happy standing at the side of Babi Yar - the lust for murder is what drives them.
DeleteAssad is responsible for the deaths of up to 500,000 people not as a result of an attack upon his country's territory but as a response to a peaceful uprising for freedom and democracy which morphed into a civil war. I would still baulk at calling him a Nazi as the term is far too easily bandied around.
ReplyDeleteAssad is a Nazi but even if he isn't and you wish to call him something equally as atrocious, your call. But because of the evil of his policies no one should be smeared for calling him a Nazi. Just as no one should be smeared for calling Netanyahu a Nazi in response to his evil policies. It is not as if you are a defender of Netanyahu. You are as critical of him as others here have been.
DeleteWithin the State of Israel, Arabs and other minorities have the right to vote and to participate in society while suffering discrimination not unlike that experienced by ethnic minorities in the West. But there are no Jim Crow laws or apartheid type regulations. Were Israel to annex the West Bank, then an Apartheid scenario would be more plausible.
ReplyDeleteHave you forgotten what the glowing terms South Africa described the Bantustans in? Sanitising apartheid never lessened its effects. Many ANC activists who fought apartheid feel the phenomenon is worse in Israel. The world's foremost human rights groups characterise it as Apartheid. The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has this to say:
DeleteB’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians.
Now all the Human rights groups could be wrong and Israeli propaganda could be right. But would you bet your house on it?
I am not coming from a position of Israel right or wrong no more than I would be Palestine right or wrong. I think what the Palestinian Arab leadership has lacked is Mandela or Gandhi or John Hume figure. All crimes have to be called out and accounted for. Demonising language or exaggerated comparisons with genuinely evil figures helps nobody. That part of the world would benefit from the removal of both Bibi and Hamas
ReplyDeleteI have seen little on this blog where it is Palestine right or wrong. Revealing that you even talk in terms of Palestine needing a Mandela . . . no mention of Israel currently led by the West's premier war criminal needing something similar. Netanyahu often reminded me of Heydrich but as of late it is more Goering - his combination of criminal avarice and war criminality.
DeleteResponsibility for the current tragedy in Gaza lies with the extremists on both sides who sabotaged the peace agreements of the 1990s; Netananyu and his far right Jewish nationalist allies on the one hand and Hamas on the other hand. Israel needs another Rabin. It may be stating the bleeding obvious but there has to be peace based on the two state solution no matter how remote that is and there have to be those on both sides who have to take risks for peace as was done in the 1990s. The end of Apartheid in South Africa and the establishment of one- person, one-vote was the obvious solution to conflict there just as the arrangements of the GFA were the obvious solution to the NI conflict. The prospect of both looked remote to the point of impossible in the mid 1970s but within two decades both had been achieved. The same effort must be put into Israel/Palestine.
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