He has spent 40 years of his life amassing data, and has authored several books on the subject. His primary sources are reputable international human rights organisations and other scholarly works by his peers.
It is noteworthy that Finkelstein is himself an American Jew. Almost his entire family was exterminated in Nazi death camps during the Second World War. It would appear his credentials are impeccable.
During numerous interviews and podcasts, Finkelstein has stubbornly refused to condemn Hamas. His refusal to do so is based on his intimate knowledge and understanding of the conflict. The politics of condemnation avoids the uncomfortable relationship of cause and effect, which ultimately suits the Israeli narrative.
The October 7th attack presented Finkelstein with a moral dilemma. How to answer the inevitable question: Do you condemn Hamas? An inner voice told him the answer was not immediately obvious. He refused to accept the premise that Hamas had committed a heinous war crime without seeking an explanation. After all, more than 1500 young Gazans had broken through the encirclement knowing full well the consequences for themselves, as well as, for their families. This would not have been an easy choice to make.
For an insight into the psychology of the oppressed, he turned to the Nat Turner slave uprising. Turner called for the death of all whites; men, women and children alike. There were many gruesome stories of beheadings, hangings and burnings, all of which cried out for an explanation. So, he turned to the Abolitionists to see what they had to say on the matter.
William Lloyd Garrison, one of the foremost Abolitionists, wrote about the slave uprising in graphic language. But, according to Finkelstein, he stopped short of moral condemnation. Garrison opined that the pent up rage and fury accumulated over decades of inhumane treatment by their white masters, engendered a burning desire for retribution and revenge.
Finkelstein pondered could the same powerful emotions explain why the Hamas fighters killed Israeli civilians? It is not beyond the realm of possibility. The dehumanising effects of oppression is evident through history. Whenever those young fighters broke through the gates of the prison, a tsunami of emotions erupted onto the stage. Memories of loved ones brutally murdered, homes destroyed and lives ruined are powerful motivators.
It is an interesting theory. Finkelstein has been criticised for not condemning Hamas. But, like Garrison, neither is he justifying their actions.
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Is Finkelstein sitting on a moral fence?
ReplyDeleteAnd his speculation about what drove Islamist terrorists to commit sadistic acts of depravity is a heap of shite. The Irish were oppressed for centuries -I am not aware of them ever resorting to the sadistic depravity of Hamas -in fact all I can think of close to it might be the Shankill Butchers or the Pitchfork Killers.
Hamas are not freedom fighters for the Gazan people -they are Islamic fundamentalists or global Islamist terrorists. They brought an onslaught of destructive and deadly horror story onto innocent Palestinian lives -and they use them as human shields as they hide safely underground --and they refuse Israels offer of a ceasefire in exchange for the innocent people they took hostage. Hamas know the Israelis are ruthless and barbaric -they planned for Israels predictable disproportionate response -Hamas know what they are doing -they are sacrificing the entire Gaza strip in hope the Muslim world rises up in holy jihad to wipe out all Jews. In Hamas' view Palestinian lives are expendable and every one Israel kills is a victory to Hamas. If that does not reveal the callous and barbaric nature of Islamic fundamentalism then not much else will.
It is incomprehensible that the Hamas terrorists spent up to 2 years planning on what they were going to do and sadistic killing, debauchery, mutilation and other horrific sadistic things were not part of that plan. Think about that... to this day, Hamas leadership deny they killed any civilians -in their sick mind they believe in their Islamist world view they only killed legitimate targets and enemies of Islam. They are using the oppression of the Palestinians as a flag of convenience.
The Islamist terrorists do not have any mandate from the Palestinian people. In a recent Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (7-11 June 2023) it was found that 73% of Palestinians do not trust Hamas; 83% believe Hamas will never allow elections and 59% express fear of Hamas if they criticize them. https://www.pcpsr.org/
And Re; Finkelsteins excuse for Hamas --how does he explain the disparity between Fatah's incredible restraint in the face of Israeli terrorism and acts of genocide.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Alec.
ReplyDeleteThese situations benefit little from condemnations.
Harsh judgments tend to bind commentary in dichotomous tit-for-tats.
If there's a way out its genesis is more likely to come from <a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%202:17&version=NIV>understanding and compassion.</a>
Henry Joy
ReplyDeleteNo offense but these situations benefit absolutely nothing from thoughts and prayers. Whereas, my condemnation of both Israel and Hamas leaves nobody in any doubt where I stand.
Douglas Murray was on the triggernometry podcast recently eviscerating any pro Hamas nonsense quite convincingly. He rightly pointed out that none of the Arab countries has once offered to take any Palestinians in refuge because they don't like them either, but they all really hate the Jews just that little bit more.
ReplyDeleteSteve - have you a link?
DeleteSteve that was a worthwhile interview to listen to. The whole treatment of the Palestinians and Jews should be re-evaluated --especially how the Palestinians are used as pawn by Islamists/Muslims who just want to see the genocide of Jews which they have been carrying out in the region for millennial. In saying that the freedom and rights of Palestinians remains a priority -but the likes of Saoradh and other leftists are up Islamic Fundamentalists hole so much they support their sadistic and medieval attrocities -even when Irish people are victim to it --so much for the self-proclaimed defenders of the people --. Little 8 year old Emily Hand's only offense to the Islamists was she sleep over in her friend's house on the wrong night and Kim Damti went to a music festival. But radicalised Irish Republicans rationalise we Irish are deserving of Islamist terrorism because we are part of the West. They have lost the plot.
DeleteChristy,
DeleteI'm still shocked if what you say it true.
frankie,
Either word you prefer doesn't take away from the hatred towards them. What really boils their piss is the fact that their Koran says it's the last word on the matter and that's that.
The fact that there is a successful Jewish state surrounded by enemies and the sea and is one of the only places in the region that does NOT have oil and is yet prosperous really gets their goat. They use the Palestinians as a proxy tool is name calling only but when push comes to shove they leave the Palestinians to fend for themselves. They don't want them either. So much for Muslim brotherhood, the Egyptians don't want a bar of them, the Jordanians throw token aid and even Hezbollah said it's a "100% Palestine problem". And as for the woke wankeratti complaining of a genocide well it must be the worst in history since the Israeli's pulled out in 2008 and the population shot up dramatically. Tel Aviv supplied the water and electricity and allowed food, fuel and aid in, and Gazans permits to travel freely to work in Israel...and this is the end result. I pity the civilians but the entire Gaza strip will be leveled. They have one chance to get a few breathers by releasing all the hostages but Hamas has condemned the gazans to this fate..because they are a jihadi sunni death cult.
I had Sunni friends over for dinner on Monday night and even they hate the Jihadis. I work in a very Jewish neighbourhood and the fear they feel is palpable. All the posters of missing Israeli children taken by Hamas were defaced with obscenities' by scumbags. Who does that?
Take the religious texts literally, then you have to start taking them all literally. The Jewish texts have not been exactly kind to the goyen, as they call them.
DeleteStarted listening to the Douglas Murray podcast but drifted off to sleep. I wasn't that impressed by it. His starting position is a defence of the terror regime which he has always supported parallel to his opposition to multiculturalism. The right wing narrative on anything never appeals to me although I usually read Murray with interest and his criticism of Bloody Sunday was serious stuff.
Your attempted sanitisation of the war crime regime dismays me. Because normally I find you humane and compassionate. You depict it as benevolent, handing out jobs and electricity.
Prosperous and successful - the old defence from the right handbook for Apartheid South Africa - but not that prosperous that it cannot get by without US support.
I tend to think that genocide is a term to be used sparingly otherwise its value is demeaned. When the 'famine fascists' rant and rave at anybody not sharing their view of Ireland in the 1840s, I don't employ the term. But here we have it unfolding in front of our eyes, the intent having been previously expressed by Netanyahu in the map he produced at the UN. Why rely on religious texts from aeons ago and not the documents of real time?
And if they get around to pushing Palestinians into the gas chambers, we will still have genocide denial, much as we had it when few countries would help the Jews when they were being pushed in. At least this time we have Israeli genocide scholars adding their voice. Hard to dismiss as woke.
I get that the Hamas haters have reason for their concerns and can make very good points. Having been a long time public critic of Islamicism, I think the Palestinians should give Hamas the heave. But I never buy what is the general right wing take that seeks to separate Hamas from the brutalisation of Palestinian people by reducing their existence to a one dimensional theocratic impulse. And where we are now is a situation in which genocidal mass slaughter is taking place. Brian Hanley made a very good point on Cedar Lounge - that the one serious demand now should be an immediate ceasefire and humanitarian aid. He castigated that section of Left who treat Hamas benignly.
Who's sanitizing? They are all bastards though I'd opine that Hamas is much more willing to engage in acts of extreme barbarism in the name of religion than the Israeli's are. The point I made about supplying electricity and water, allowing free travel for work is accurate....and I should have made the point clearer that Hamas's own charter calls for the extermination of ALL Jews....if the roles were reversed what would you imagine the outcome would be?
DeleteSteve - your comment sanitised it. There is no tarting up Nazi -like atrocity by referring to them providing jobs for Palestinians. The next we will hear is some Holocaust denier claiming the Nazis were giving Jews bed, work and food in the concentration camps.
DeleteYour echoing of the Western establishment and right wing line on Hamas does your case little good. Hamas are despicable because they committed atrocities. They should release civilian hostages immediately and not bargain for less bombing in return for drip release.
To sit stuck in a time warp over the 80s Charter makes little sense either. The Right do that. The scholarly work seems to suggest a more complex Hamas, where those in favour of reform have diluted the Charter and even moved towards a recognition of Israel. Of course there are theocratic impulses there but to reduce it to a one dimensional entity seems wide off the mark, legitimises the self serving perspective of the terror state and completely ignores the energy fuelling Hamas. They are more the manifestation of Palestinian opposition to Israeli barbarism than they are of some abstract theocratic ideology.
I also think it wide of the mark to claim that the Charter demands the death of all Jews. The emphasis is on destroying the state of Israel rather than killing every Jew. Yeah, there is rhetoric there about Jews dying but I think we need to have a much more nuanced understanding of these things. It is like the DUP claiming the IRA's Green Book is what governs SF today. They alone pretend to believe it.
Hamas for all its barbarism does not hold a candle to the terror state in this conflict. Three times as many Palestinian children alone have been massacred in the past month by Israeli terror than there were people killed in the Hamas assault that kick started the latest round.
I have no issue with people opposing Hamas. I fail to see how any secularist does not. But we should get the full mosaic pattern in rather than one tile.
Time will tell Anthony. Still it does make one ponder why no other Arab nation will neither fight for them nor take them in.
DeleteSteve - nobody fought for the Jews or took them in to the extent that they should have. Norman Finkelstein had a point in refuting that type of charge when he pointed out the exact same language was used by the Nazis to dehumanise the Jews. I know you are not drawing on Nazi language but Israel seems to have learned so much from the Nazis and put it to use that it is hard to think they are not drawing on the Nazi playbook in this one. And then Murray claiming nobody cared as much for the Palestinians as the Israelis. A typical right wing Tory snob regurgitating the white man's burden narrative.
DeleteThe most appalling aspect of this entire war is the burning desire by Israel to murder children. That is Nazi to the core much as it was with Hutu Power.
But I do agree with Christy - whatever context is offered for Hamas, those that planned October 7 had to be aware of the consequences for the population of Gaza. Humane fighters surrender rather than bring untold suffering down on civilians. Giving people who are passionate for infanticide an excuse to carry it out beggars belief.
Nobody among the Allies really believed the camps existed or that a the Holocaust was really happening until they went into Ohrdruf . Confronted with the horrendous reality spurred them on to help the Jews as much as they could. It's little surprise that the phrase " Never Again" resonates so much with the Israelis.
DeleteI only see one outcome for Gaza and it isn't good for the Gazans. Hamas will be destroyed and Israel will re-occupy the strip. As I've said, I pity the civilians put in harms way by both the Jihadi Death Cult and the Israelis.
Steve - Why repeat Western establishment self serving myths that are demonstrably wrong? The US had aerial maps of the camps. In 1944 Jewish representatives pleaded with the US to bomb the camps, It refused. Elie Wiesel in 1979 rebuked Jimmy Carter in a speech:
DeleteThe evidence is before us: The world knew and kept silent. The documents that you, Mr. President, handed to the chairman of your Commission on the Holocaust, testify to that effect.
Simply regurgitating the Western establishment narrative is not going to cut the mustard. The Jews were demonised and abandoned. Much like the Palestinians.
What was the excuse offered for abandoning the Tutsis to genocide in Rwanda? That there was no genocide - a strategically crafted lie. The Clinton admin and the UN were banning the use of the term in memos and briefing papers.
If ever Western values needed defending it is now. But they need defended less against Hamas and much more against the Western leadership which has with the exception of Ireland enabled genocide.
And if 'never again' meant anything to the Israelis other than a propaganda slogan why are they doing it again?
Hamas might be destroyed as will Netanyahu - Israeli society knows he built Hamas up and on October 7 let Israelis down by a monumental and unpardonable intelligence failure.
But, again, who was wrong in the past, or lived there first - none of it much matters to me in the here and now. A total cessation is needed but the scummy leadership in the West are helping to prevent it. I can't remember feeling as disillusioned in my own lifetime with the West. Having helped the Soviets defeat the Nazis it is now backing what was a core tenet of Nazism - genocide. It makes me molten with anger - the same anger that wells up when I read of Babi Yar.
I am not a flag waver nor some anti-Semite. My opposition to Israel is not based on a desire to see it obliterated. I share Shlomo Sands' view on that. My anathema towards the Israeli Reich is rooted in the same sentiment that produces my anathema towards the Nazi Reich. I oppose Israel for the very same reason as I opposed the Nazis. Its treatment of the Palestinians mirrors what the Nazis did to the Jews.
I know your not Anthony and your not alone. Even among the Israeli's there are those who want a peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately the Right of Israel is also at the heart of US Government. If Hamas were to handover the hostages then even more pressure would be upon Jerusalem. Don't know about the media back there but this is never even mentioned here. It's all "Israel has bombed hospitals" and never a mention of the hostages or the massacred in Israel on tv here.
DeleteSteve - the hostages have to be under more threat from Israeli bombing than their captors. Netanyahu is prepared to murder the hostages and blame it on Hamas, all in a bid to sate his blood lust. The civilian hostages should be released immediately and the military ones treated as POWs until they too are released. The reason the coverage in your place is of the hospitals being bombed is most likely because the genocide is current in real time. The Hamas attack was over a month ago. It is always going to be shifted off the screen by the latest atrocity.
Delete"Netanyahu is prepared to murder the hostages and blame it on Hamas, all in a bid to sate his blood lust"
DeleteNot disagreeing, but what else could he realistically do? If he tried to placate then he's seen as weak and "given the arse" to use an Australian idiom, or he takes this course of action. Even if he was sacked the replacement would have been waging war just as now. What nation wouldn't respond in this way?
How many nations do you know of that have a deliberate policy of child murder? Half the fatalities in Gaza are children. Russia's war on Ukraine has killed much fewer children than the Israelis have in Ukraine.
DeleteI imagine very few nations would respond in this way - Nazi Germany, yes, but few others.
"How many nations do you know of that have a deliberate policy of child murder?"
DeleteHamas certainly had no problems with it.
Just that Hamas are not a nation nor do they represent a nation. Simon Harris of Fine Gael described the Israeli onslaught as The War on children. He is hardly wide off the mark.
DeleteNot so sure about that. Hamas consider themselves to be the political-military authority of Gaza. They dictate daily life in Gaza.
DeleteWell they used to. Gaza is about to be leveled until the Israelis have completely eliminated them, destroyed all their tunnels and infrastructure and left a godforsaken scorchmark were they used be. Horrific.
Not surprising given the sheer inhumanity shown towards civilians and babies by Hamas when they attacked. 40 Babies murdered, bodies showing signs of torture and even burning corpses to make ID'ing so much more difficult for the families. Revenge is a bitch.
Hamas is the government of Gaza. Gaza is not Palestine but part of Palestine. Gaza is not the nation of Palestine but part of the nation of Palestine. Hamas unleashed unpardonable atrocity when it attacked civilians even if we allow for the current take that many of those people burned and chopped up met their fate as a result of an Israeli counter strike on October 7. That the Israelis will wage war on children is not surprising but let us not delude ourselves that they have not been specialising in child murder for decades. The torture and murder of Palestinian children has been a defining characteristic of Israel's Lebensraum policy. While we might understand it just as we might understand why the Nazis murdered the Jews, understanding in this sense is an exercise in logic. It is not to mitigate it or excuse it.
DeleteI understand why loyalists targeted children at Holy Cross but I can never excuse it nor mitigate it. Children are always off limits. I can understand why the IRA mowed down the people at Kingsmill. It does not make it any less an unpardonable Nazi-like atrocity.
Anthony..... I think this is the link .................Here are the 'time stamps'
ReplyDelete00:00 Intro
00:33 The Last Three Weeks
01:52 Pro-Hamas Celebrations in the UK
05:50 Is Islam Inherently Anti-Semitic?
11:23 Why Are Young People Supporting Genocide?
15:49 The Oppressor/Oppressed Argument
22:54 Why Are People Calling for Proportionality?
28:43 Looking at the Issue Through a Western Lens
32:12 Murders of Sir David Amess & Jo Cox
36:35 Sponsor Message: GiveSendGo
38:02 Should Hamas Supporters Be Deported?
44:35 How the Police Should Respond to Hamas Supporters
52:55 The Government’s Response to Multiculturalism
I'm half way through this podcast and Douglas Murray is a plank with no idea about what he is talking about......He is making the mistake (like most do) and lumping all Jews together and that is his first mistake...He hasn't mentioned Christian Zionism----That came directly from the reformation(Calvinism, Martin Luther etc...), certain Jewish sects only came on board during what academics call 'enlightenment era'.....And not all Jews believe they have a god given right to own the land...
DeleteMaybe some people should start using the term Zionists and not simply 'Jews'...
Frankie - thanks for taking the time to do that.
DeleteFrankie - I listened to it this while walking the dog. It is one of the poorest and disappointing interviews that I have heard yet. He was better when talking about England and some of the suppression of critique. Thought he was dishonest on Israeli situation with his usual anti Muslim bias. Pompous right wing arrogance laced throughout.
DeleteGood piece Alex.
ReplyDeleteNorman has long stood in the front line against the Nazi-like polices of the Israeli state and tore his critics asunder with remorseless logic. And he has paid a price for it in terms of being denied access to areas of public, professional and intellectual life than others who do not speak truth to power.
On this one, I think when we fail to speak out against atrocity and war crimes and speak up for those who are victims of such, we leave ourselves open to the charge of not being opposed to war crimes at all but only to certain groups that carry them out. This makes it easier for the major oppressor in any conflict to get off the hook.
Often in these matters I return to a shared influence with Henry Joy - Camus. He made the point that The role of the intellectual cannot be to excuse the violence of one side and condemn that of the other.
I think we can offer context and mitigation but not approval or reluctance to call things by their name which invariably means condemnation.
Israel has built an open air concentration camp so we should not feign surprise when those inside it break out and hit back. But even if we opt for the logic of Thucydides that the strong do what they will, the weak do what they must I am again drawn back to Camus - not as an authority to trump a counter perspective but as an influence - that even in destruction, there's a right way and a wrong way—and there are limits
However the conflict started, whatever atrocity Hamas perpetrated, we are now at the point where genocide is unfolding. Taking the side against that is an ethical imperative.
The Nazi Reich was halted in the 1940s. The Israeli Reich too must be halted. When they built gas chambers for the Jews nobody did anything until it was much to late. When they build them for the Palestinians, the retort that 'Israel has the right to defend itself' that we shall certainly hear from the SS twins Sunak & Starmer, should be reduced to nothing more than a hoarse whisper, that virtually nobody but themselves can hear.
This response deserves much study ......
DeleteFirstly, no offense taken Christy.
ReplyDeleteNobody needs to agree with my perspective, that I find utility in it will not necessarily mean it will appeal to others.
Yes, we all have concerns and are emotionally impacted, even from afar, by the observance of the tragedy and carnage that is Israel/Palestine. But to what degree, if any, do we have effective influence? Apart from donations to appropriate charities, according to our means, what real and positive impact can we make? Otherwise, given the responses of our government, are our responses not but attempts to assuage our internal anguish?
Since Cain slew Abel, hasn't our default position for settling differences been violence? Of course, alternatives evolve; religious, judicial, and political systems have come about with the purpose of minimising chaos and tilting communities and societies towards order. These ordering systems are imperfect and incomplete to varying degrees. In development terms, some are more immature than others (and the more mature ones are still far from perfect).
The Israel/Palestine situation is riddled with complexity and remains largely an immature conundrum, an immature system awaiting compassionate nurturance and development.
@ Steve R
ReplyDelete"Revenge is a bitch."
Here's the Cambridge dictionary definition of revenge:
"Harm done to someone as a punishment for harm that they have done to someone else"
What is happening in Gaza isn't revenge. Those murdered at Whitecross, or 273 Shankill Road, were not killed in revenge.
Hamas and Islamic Jihad, what with their strong belief in the afterlife, will be least bothered about the 500 or 600 civilians murdered by Israel each day. Except for, perhaps, the criminals actually slaughtering them.
To describe the massacring of civilians in Gaza as revenge justifies the Hamas action of 7th October. There is no moral difference.
Brandon - I am not sure I follow the logic of this.
DeleteLeo Varadkar described the Israeli policy as not self defence but revenge.
I find nothing wrong with that other than I think there is more at play than mere revenge. The Lebensraum policy and genocide that revenge might mask.
I think Kingsmill had a revenge motive at its heart.
I fail to see how revenge justifies the Hamas attack.
I agree that when we slaughter civilians and children then there is no moral difference between 'us and them'. The difference perhaps lies in scale.
Brandon,
Delete"To describe the massacring of civilians in Gaza as revenge justifies the Hamas action of 7th October. There is no moral difference."
Couldn't agree more. They are all bastards.
@ AM
ReplyDeleteI was curious about the word revenge, so looked up the definition. I think for something to strictly be classed as revenge, the recipient of the act of revenge has to be culpable. The children of Gaza are not, can not, be culpable.
To be honest, Steve's comment "revenge is a bitch" got under my skin. It makes no sense.
Israel may think they're avenging their desd but they're simply murdering the defenceless. There isn't even corporate responsibility. Children can't be held responsible.
The worshippers at Darkley were murdered because one of the gunmen lost two brothers in two years. But revenge would have been killing loyaliats, not peaceful, harmless Christians.
Israel has now surpassed 10 dead Gazans for every dead Israeli. Using Israeli calculus, Gaza require over 100,000 Israeli souls foe "revenge."
I'm not convinced Kingsmill was strategically conceived as a revenge attack - some of the participants might have felt that way, but I'm not sure about the planners. I always assumed it was "to put the nonsense out of the Prods."
I think you used as an example being kicked by your neighbour so you kicked a different neighbour in revenge. You might have a vengeful motivation, but the aggressor wasn't hurt by it.
Isn't it the vengeful motive that makes it revenge? Does revenge not lie in the intention of the perp and not the pain of the target? You hurt me and I hurt your children is revenge, I think.
DeleteI think Kingsmill was a revenge attack but also one in which revenge would act as a deterrent.
In any event the lot of it is wrong. If we lose sight of that, the moral compass just spins wherever we want it to.
Mention of deaths in Ukraine. Quite a few children. "On 17 February 2023, the Ukrainian prosecutor general announced that at least 461 children had been killed since the start of the invasion, with a further 923 wounded.[113] Most of these child victims were from the Donetsk region.[113]".
ReplyDeleteA betetr parallel would be the siege of Grozny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grozny_(1999%E2%80%932000) Covered by few reporters, Putin does not like independent reporters. Personally I see Hamas as a islamofascist outfit. The Nazis in Germany opposed the occupation of parts of Germany by French Imperialism, they were still Nazis.
The poor Palestinians are stuck with a choice of Hamas and the corrupt PLO. The Left appears to have collapsed.
https://anticapitalistresistance.org/how-hamas-became-the-violent-face-of-palestinian-resistance/
I think they are a more complex mosaic than Islamofascist. But there is a large element of that in there. Much as there are fascists in Ukraine. I no more like Hamas than you do but try to see them in something other than binary. Just as all Israelis are not Nazis.
DeleteStevie.....
ReplyDeleteI have to correct you in some of your points.....
The fact that there is a successful Jewish state surrounded by enemies and the sea ...
Israhell isn't a 'Jewish' state but a Zionist state propped by Zionist's like Creepy Joe Biden and The Donald when he was in power. Listen to what Creepy Joe says and again here he admits he is a Zionist. A short history of Christian Zionism . Not all Jews are Zionist, some Jews are opposed to Zionism and rightly so.
and is one of the only places in the region that does NOT have oil and is yet prosperous really gets their goat.
Is there oil/gas in Gaza? Open the link and read for yourself how much oil/gas is buried along the Gaza coast line or Frankie fact check this link.....After reading do you still buy into the line " the only places in the region that does NOT have oil "....?
And as for the woke wankeratti complaining of a genocide well it must be the worst in history since the Israeli's pulled out in 2008 and the population shot up dramatically.
Do you want me to google the stats that disprove what you said or do you want to do it yourself....?
Tel Aviv supplied the water and electricity and allowed food, fuel and aid in, and Gazans permits to travel freely to work in Israel.
Reads like a line from CNN/BBC news report. Again do you want me to source links that put a very different angle on your truth....Basically what you said is Israhell can turn on/off water, electricity, allow food convoys and in aid etc at the flick of a switch.....That's what they are doing....
They have one chance to get a few breathers by releasing all the hostages
Another classic....What hostages? The ones taken at gun point on 7th Oct or do you factor in these hostages kidnapped at gun point?.....Statistics on Palestinian minors in Israeli custody ...... Israel holds over 1,200 detainees without charge. That’s the most in 3 decades, a rights group says.What hostages Stevie, the 7th Oct ones or ALL.....?
I had Sunni friends over for dinner on Monday night and even they hate the Jihadis. I work in a very Jewish neighbourhood and the fear they feel is palpable.
Do you eat bacon toasties or pork sasuages in front of your Muslin/Jewish friends? I eat the stuff in front of mine. It's not to rub their noses in anything. I personally like pig meat. My oldest daughter who is proud to be Jewish will tell you that....(so will her mother). And my good friends who live in the leafy burbs of Paris who I sometimes refer to as the local Parisian taliban will tell you I eat baconin front of them.....
Leaving aside the politics, I find people eating bacon around me nauseating. And eggs. But I'm a vegetarian tea-totaller, and some find that annoying.
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