From Strategic Cultural Foundation It is astounding and deeply disturbing that 75 years after the end of World World Two the history of that event is being re-written before our very eyes.

That war resulted in over 50 million dead with more than half of the victims from the Soviet Union. 

It incorporated the worst crimes against humanity, including the systematic mass murder of millions carried out by Nazi Germany, known as the Holocaust. The victims included Jews, Slavs, Roma, Soviet prisoners-of-war and others whom the fascist Nazis deemed to be “Untermensch” (“Subhumans”).

The Soviet Red Army fought back the Nazi forces all the way from Russia through Eastern Europe, eventually defeating the Third Reich in Berlin. Nearly 90 per cent of all Wehrmacht casualties incurred during the entire war were suffered on the Eastern Front against the Red Army. That alone testifies how it was the Soviet Union among the allied nations which primarily accomplished the defeat of Nazi Germany.

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Rewriting History of World War II Is Ominous Warning

From Strategic Cultural Foundation It is astounding and deeply disturbing that 75 years after the end of World World Two the history of that event is being re-written before our very eyes.

That war resulted in over 50 million dead with more than half of the victims from the Soviet Union. 

It incorporated the worst crimes against humanity, including the systematic mass murder of millions carried out by Nazi Germany, known as the Holocaust. The victims included Jews, Slavs, Roma, Soviet prisoners-of-war and others whom the fascist Nazis deemed to be “Untermensch” (“Subhumans”).

The Soviet Red Army fought back the Nazi forces all the way from Russia through Eastern Europe, eventually defeating the Third Reich in Berlin. Nearly 90 per cent of all Wehrmacht casualties incurred during the entire war were suffered on the Eastern Front against the Red Army. That alone testifies how it was the Soviet Union among the allied nations which primarily accomplished the defeat of Nazi Germany.

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  1. Far from being a liberator, the Soviet Union was a facilitator of Nazi Germany.” - Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki

    That’s a true statement.

    Stalin and Hitler were allied from 1939-1941.

    And they invaded Poland together then.

    Hence their Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact to divide-up Poland between them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

    And then came among other things the Katyn massacre:

    “…a series of mass executions of about 22,000 Polish military officers and intelligentsia carried out by the Soviet Union, specifically the NKVD.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

    So, the USSR helped facilitate a mess they later had to help clean up.

    After that they occupied and ruled eastern Europe from 1945-1989.

    And so they just liberated it for themselves.

    I had a Professor from Poland who survived all that.

    As well as Auschwitz and the death march back to Germany.

    And he had no love for Russians or Germans.

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  2. Obviously a pole would have no love for the Russians or the Germans. However they played their part in facilitating the rise of hitler re the aftermath of ww1.

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    1. Poland being awarded and given German land after ww1. Added to that the accounts of polish victimising Germans on the said awarded land. The Nazis used that to demonstrate to the public the unjustness of the ww1 treaty and also to appeal to German empathy for their fellow German.
      Only in Ireland would you get fellow Irishmen unconcerned about the treatment of other Irishmen at the hands of a foreign power; most other countries would be outraged.

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  4. The Red Army committed mass rapes of German women in Berlin and the USSR always denied the specific Judeophobic feature of the Holocaust. Stalin had thousands of Russian POWs sent to the Gulag because of being in contact with the enemy.

    But you will not hear Putin ackowledging these inconvenient truths when he basks in the reflected glory of the Great Patriotic War this May Day in Moscow.

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  5. Any evicdence to the contrary, MickO? And btw Poland has on three occasions in its history been divided up by its powerful neighbours to its East and West. So the fake sob stories that Hitler manufactured about the Sudeten and Danzig Germans just do not hold.

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    1. More pish.

      Ireland got 'divided up by its powerful neighbour' and yet were terrorists and undemocratic for resisting thus? Perhaps the Irish should have sat on their holes and waited for the powerful neighbour to genocide them too? Oh wait, they did but they called it a 'famine' so that's ok then.

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  6. Barry,

    What's your proof that the USSR always denied the specific Judeophobic feature of the Holocaust? Because the USSR liberated Auschwitz and freed all the Jewish prisoners who were still there in January 1945. And they have never denied doing that. Could it be that what really annoys you is the fact that Russians also assert truthfully that the Nazis killed more Russians than Jews and for the same reasons?

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    1. Eoghan, nobody suffered more then the Jews during ww2! Well according to pishy. The Russians,Chinese and even Germans deserved it or at the very least were lesser victims. Stick to the narrative, 'poor Jews and poor Brits but fck the Chinese, Russians etc'.

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  7. Eoghan

    I refer you to an article I wrote in TPQ on "Soviet Antizionism and Labour Antisemitism : A Chronicle Foretold and Retold" dated 19th September 2019. The Soviet leadership always regarded Jews of Russia, Ukraine and Belorussia killed both by SS mobile death squads and in the gas chambers as Soviet citizens, not specifically Jews. This denial of the specific antisemitic nature of the Holocaust fits into the pattern of Soviet antisemitism thinly disguised as antizionism which I write about.

    Yes, the Red Army liberated Auschwitz but they stood aside on Stalin's order during the Warsaw Uprising in August 1944 therefore enabling the Nazi destruction of the entire city.

    The Western Allies are also far from blameless for refusing to bomb the train links to Auschwitz even as the extent of the genocide of Europeon Jews was being revealed from 1942 onwards. The pervasive antisemitism in Britain, America (and Ireland) was a factor in this refusal to act.

    When I say that the Shoah/Holocaust was specifically about the extermination of European Jewry, I am not speaking from a philosemitic or philozionist position; I am speaking from a desire to protect truth from revisionism of history.

    Antisemitism was central to Nazi ideology and Hitler's pyschopathology was any cursory reading of Mein Kampf will show. Bolshevism or Judeo-Bolshevism was also fundamental to Nazi ideology and, yes, Russians and Slavs were regarded as Utermenschen or sub-human to be killed or exiled to make way for Lebansraum. Yes 3.5 million Soviet POWs were murdered and many Soviet citizens were starved to death. But, without wishing to appear coldly metric, many of the 20 million Russian dead died as a result of battle. Six million Jews were not killed on the battlefield but were systematically murdered behind enemy lines as part of a cumulatively and homicidal racist policy which culminated in the declared intention to exterminate every single one of Europe's 11 million Jews in the Final Solution.

    Denial of the specificity of the Shoah/Holocaust and the specific idden tity of its victims opens the way towards denial or relativisation of other genocides e.g Bosnia, Rwanda, Darfur, Holmador, Cambodia, the Royhinga people and maybe even the Uighur people in China.

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  8. And how did I forget the ongoing crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Assad regime which some in the superliminal space where far right meets far light seem very anxious to make excuses for and, of course, the 9/11 denialists (I will not honour them with the appellatiion 'truthers').

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  9. Barry,

    So, you cite your own editorial opinion as your proof here.

    Yet according to the History Channel: “On January 27, 1945, Soviet troops enter Auschwitz, Poland, freeing the survivors of the network of concentration camps—and finally revealing to the world the depth of the horrors perpetrated there.”

    https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviets-liberate-auschwitz

    Now do the math: Revelation ≠ Denial. And according to the Holocaust Encyclopedia: “In the following months (following the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz), the Soviets liberated additional camps in the Baltic states and in Poland. Shortly before Germany's surrender, Soviet forces liberated the Stutthof, Sachsenhausen, and Ravensbrueck concentration camps.”

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/liberation-of-nazi-camps

    In fact, according to the British Imperial War Museum the first major camp to be liberated by the USSR was Majdanek near Lublin, Poland in July 1944.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/liberation-of-the-concentration-camps

    Ohio State University’s Stanton Foundation agrees:

    “Soldiers of the Soviet Union’s Red Army were actually the first to begin the process of liberation when they came across the extermination camp at Lublin-Majdanek.”

    This same Foundation points out that most of the killing of Jews took place in Poland: “Thus, eastern Europe and particularly Poland—the site of the Jewish Pale of Settlement established by tsarist Russia in the 19th century—became the locus of this human tragedy.”

    http://origins.osu.edu/milestones/may-2015-liberation-concentration-camps

    Ergo, the USSR liberated most of these camps and freed the Jews.

    So much for Soviet antisemitism.

    Which as you point out wasn’t any worse than the US or UK’s.

    Moreover, unlike the US or UK that employed known Nazis post-WWII…

    The Russians completely de-Nazified Eastern Europe post-WWII.

    But, hey, way to go again trying to blame Ireland.

    I wouldn’t expect you to stoop any less.

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  10. MickO,

    I hear you, but prefer the counter-narrative:

    Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History

    By Norman G. Finkelstein whose own parents were Jewish survivors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Chutzpah

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  11. Barry,

    And how did I miss what you said here?

    B.G. said: “But, without wishing to appear coldly metric, many of the 20 million Russian dead died as a result of battle. Six million Jews were not killed on the battlefield but were systematically murdered behind enemy lines.”

    Jewish people weren’t just murdered “…behind enemy lines.”

    As if that’s any kind of meaningful distinction.

    Because it makes no difference where people are mass murdered.

    If only you could appear to be coldly metric.

    Virtually all deaths of Soviet, Polish, and Serb civilians during the course of military and anti-partisan operations had, however, a racist component. German units conducted those operations with an ideologically driven and willful disregard for civilian life.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

    WWII RUSSIAN CIVILIAN DEATHS:

    Deaths caused by the result of direct, intentional actions of violence 7,420,135

    Deaths of forced laborers in Germany 2,164,313

    Deaths due to famine and disease in the occupied regions 4,100,000

    Western Scholars estimate between 6.7 to 19 million Russian civilian WWII deaths.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union

    AND THIS FROM HAARETZ:

    Raul Hilberg, came up with a figure of 5.1 million in his 1961 classic “The Destruction of the European Jews.” Lucy Dawidowicz, in her “The War Against the Jews” (1975), used prewar birth and death records to come up with a more precise figure of 5,933,900. And one of the more authoritative German scholars of the subject, Wolfgang Benz, offered a range of 5.3 to 6.2 million. As of early 2012, Yad Vashem estimated that the database contained the names of a little over four million different (Jewish) individuals (killed by Nazis).

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holocaust-remembrance-day/holocaust-facts-6-million-where-is-the-figure-from-1.5319546

    This means more Russian civilians were murdered by Germans than Jews.

    And like Jews, Russians were killed wherever Germans found them.

    And for the same genocidal racist reasons.

    But leave it to you to discount Russian suffering...

    By drawing distinctions without a difference.

    If Mossad isn’t paying you for the crap you write here...

    Then you should be charging them for services rendered.

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  12. Eoghan

    I no more discount Russian suffering during World War II than I do the sufferings of those who lived under the Soviet regime and those in all of its satellite nations in Eastern Europe which were n ot as comprehensively de-Nazified as you imagine (Buchenwald continued to be used as a prison and concentration camp by the GDR regime).

    Antisemitism was a constant recurrence in the Soviet bloc from the Jewish Doctors plot and Slansky trial in Czechoslovakia in the 1950s; the purge of "Zionists" from the Polish Communist Party in 1968 right down to the slanders of Nazi-Zionist collaboration that I have written about elsewhere in TPQ.

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  13. Eoghan

    Actually you make a lot of good poihts on this thread which I agree with.

    Is it not possible to disagree without resorting to personal insults?

    I hold no brief for Mossad and it does not help the quality of debate on this thread to throw jibes around such as "are Mossad paying you".

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  14. And, Eoghan, stay safe in the current plague because that's wshat it is.

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  15. To return to the original subject of this thread; no one disputes the appalling sufferings which the Russian people endured at the hands of the Nazis. But Kremlin apologists seem to forget crimes against humanity perpetrated by Stalin in the course of the conduct of the war such as the deportation of entire ethnic communities such as the Crimean Tatars deemed to be possible collaborators with the Nazis; the execution of at least 14,000 Russians during the Stalingrad siege (about which it was illegal to mention in the Soviet Union) and, of course, his cruelly cynical behaviour towards Poland and the Polish-government-in-exile.

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  16. Barry,

    Yes, you did discount Russian suffering during WWII.

    You distinguished where they were killed as being significant.

    And in so doing you willfully made their suffering insignificant.

    Since as MickO says here:

    “(N)obody suffered more than the Jews during ww2! Well according to Pishy.”

    Pishy = you.

    Because for some reason you exalt anti-Semitism as the greatest crime.

    And you do so to comical proportions deserving of ridicule.

    Since it’s not the greatest crime.

    Any more than any racist mass murder is.

    Which has been a constant reoccurrence for a lot of different people:

    i.e. Vietnamese, Cambodians, East Timorese, Yemeni, the Rohingya, etc.

    Many of your own chosen people are racist mass murderers.

    Ask any Palestinian because righ-twing Zionism is Racism.

    News flash: you actually do Jewish people a disservice.

    By discrediting the suffering of others as you do you.

    Because it just breeds more hate for Jewish people.

    Also note: the USSR took over all of Eastern Europe in 1945.

    Using all facilities and buildings for their rule in the process.

    But they never employed or paid Nazis to administer any of it.

    And nor did they continue the Nazi’s persecution of Jewish people.

    They even let Russian Jews to emigrate to Israel in large numbers.

    Which isn’t to say that USSR rule was terrific, it certainly was not.

    Finally know I believe you aren't paid by Mossad.

    But given the way you write and think, you should be.

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  17. Barry,

    Stay safe too!

    Be a shame not having you to kick around.

    Now take this from a Jewish-American Scientist:

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan

    https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85171-one-of-the-saddest-lessons-of-history-is-this-if

    And read this book:

    Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History

    By Norman G. Finkelstein whose own parents were Jewish survivors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Chutzpah

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  18. Eoghan

    The greatest of all crimes is genocide which also means racist mass murder of wnich there have many instances throughout the history of imperial conquests from the Church-santioned Spanish conquests of Latin America in the 16th century to the genocides of the indigenous peoples of the USA, Australia and Canada to those in the course of the "Scramble for America" through to the Shoah/Holocuast which (apart from the genocide of the Tutsis by the Hutu Interhamwe extremist regime in Rwanda in April-July 1994) is the only recorded case in modern history where a state deployed its entire resources towards the extermination of an entire group of people because of who they were; towards the ending of their existence and recorded memory; a policy as irrational as it was beyond the capacity of humanity to comprehend and process.

    Saying the latter is to state a historical fact; it does not make me or anyone who works in the area of Holocaust education part of any "chosen people" which is an antisemitic trope to describe something which has never been articulated by any mainstream Judaist or Zionist.

    I support the right of the Palestinian Arab people to a secure, viable and independent state, have always opposed the building of Jewish settlements on the West Bank; deplore the harshness of the occupation regime and the growing right-wing nationalist trajectory of Israeli politics. But I also believe in the right of the State of Israel to exist and will not dance to the tune of kneejerk antizionism that is prevalent in too many left and liberal circles.

    I never dismiss the killings and suffering of any human beings as insignificant; do you, Eoghan, dismiss the sufferings inflicted by PIRA, OIRA, INLA and the other alphabet soup of "Republican" armed groups in the Northern Irish conflict as "insignificant".

    Your, maybe jocular, reference to re-education camps in a previous thread is hardly the language associated with promotion of human rights.

    Does it really matter whether the jailers, commandents and Stasi bureaucrats in the GDR and other "workers paradises" had Nazi backgrounds or not (It is highly likely that some did)? They were still dreadful places to live in. Russian Jews were only allowed to emigrate to Israel after prolonged protests in the West; that Jews wanted to leave the USSR in the first place.

    Eoghan, I am genuinely interested in proper discussion with you but I have to object to the ways you misrepresent what I say.

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  19. Eoghan

    To answer your original here is a quotation from anb Oxford University freview of "The Holocaust in the Soviet Union" by Vadim Altsku

    "While not being denied as fact, the murder of Soviet Jews has been viewed and considered by Soviet historians as a part of the general history of World War II, better known as the Great Patriotic War. The official Soviet narrative of this history did not include any information about the unique experience of its Soviet Jewish population. The fate of Soviet Jewry was universalized into the general account of the sufferings and martyrdom of all Soviet people."

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    1. Barry,

      This hardly amounts to proof that the USSR was Judeophobic.

      They just didn't give priority to Jewish suffering.

      They just equated it with everyone else's.

      Which of course doesn't fit your narrative but so what.

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    2. Barry,

      Once again you give exclusivity to Jewish people.

      What about the Russians, the Slaves, the Romani, etc.?

      Germans did same to them for same racist reasons.

      As did US to Native Americans during the Plain Indian Wars.

      As did the Indonesians in East Timor.

      As did the English in Ireland, etc.

      All because of who their victims were and what they had.

      In fact, according to Matthew White in his book Atrocities:

      66,000,000,000 people vanished during WWII.

      20,000,000 soldiers + 46,000,000 civilians.

      https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393345230

      And I have never misrepresented anything you have said.

      I merely point out the misrepresentations you make.

      Read below for some more!

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    3. Barry,

      And what do you mean “chosen people” is an antisemitic trope?

      Since when?

      The Bible, Rabbi Singer and Pastor Hagee are not antisemitic:

      “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.”

      Deuteronomy 7 New King James Version (NKJV)

      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+7&version=NKJV

      Rabbi Tovia Singer answers:

      Who is a Child of God and Why Were Jews Chosen?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqnY8D9oMR0

      Pastor John Hagee
      Follow @PastorJohnHagee:

      God’s Chosen People, the Jews, and the Promised Land of Israel are the hub that forms the wheel of prophecy. All End Time prophecy focuses first and foremost on Israel’s importance to God and His eternal covenant with His chosen people to “give to you...the land” (Gen. 17:8).

      https://twitter.com/pastorjohnhagee/status/987658250765197314

      And if Rabbi Singer of Israel isn’t “mainstream Judaist or Zionist” then no one is.

      Here is his website: https://outreachjudaism.org/

      Watch his webcast there (he is looking for people like you):

      Why do Christians Become Enraged When Fellow Parishioners Choose to be Chosen?

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    4. Barry,

      Did you really write this?

      B.G.said: "Does it really matter whether the jailers, commandents and Stasi bureaucrats in the GDR and other "workers paradises" had Nazi backgrounds or not (It is highly likely that some did)?"

      Yes, Barry, it does because they are hardly equivalent.

      As bad as the USSR was...

      They didn’t kill 6 million people in Eastern Europe 1945-1989.

      And how would you know if any GDR Stasi bureaucrats were Nazis?

      Proof please since they were anti-Nazi Communists.

      In fact, you couldn’t get a job in the GDR if you were a Nazi.

      Only West Germany hired Nazis as did the UK and US.

      So, while I was joking earlier about re-education camps…

      Your writings here are causing me to reflect.

      That said, I won’t dignify what else you wrote here with any further replies.

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  20. And this is the original source:

    https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199840731/obo-9780199840731-0100.xml

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    1. Barry,

      Christian Zionist & Anti-Semite James Hagee is “mainstream”.

      Even AIPAC and F.L.A.M.E. say so (go figure):

      Pastor John Hagee's Speech at AIPAC

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5as5_VjK62M

      “The exemplar of Dispensationalism is Texas Pastor James Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel [CUFI], who became briefly famous when John McCain was forced to disavow his endorsement in 2008 when confronted with Hagee’s claim that Hitler was sent by God to drive the Jews to Israel. But Hagee has an outspoken supporter in Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who attends CUFI’s annual rallies, either in person or by satellite uplink, offering praise for their unconditional support of Israel and his right-wing government.”

      https://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/the-fine-art-of-nurturing-a-climate-of-villification/

      “One of the most moving speakers at the AIPAC conference was the Reverend John Hagee of the John Hagee Ministries out of San Antonio, Texas. Hagee is a powerful orator, whose declaration of love for Israel and the Jewish people provoked numerous standing ovations. I urge you to view a segment of this speech right now by going to http://www.jerusalemonline.com/specials12.asp. When you’ve listened to Hagee’s inspiring address, please return to this letter.” --- F.L.A.M.E. Letter to its members.

      https://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/the-fine-art-of-nurturing-a-climate-of-villification/

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  21. Eoghan

    Just to reiterate the points that I have been making in this thread:

    Soviet historiography never recognised the explicitly anti-Jewish aspects of the Holocaust carried out in conquered Soviet territory merging it into the narrative of the Great Patriotic War. This is historical fact and fits into a pattern of alternate assimilition and persecution of Jewishishness in the USSR; just as with other minority ethnic groups and captive nations in the USSR. That the Red Army liberated Auschwitz and other death camps does not add to or subtract from that historical narrative.

    My views about the Holocaust are not informed by a desire to promote exclusivist Jewish or Zionist narrative but by the lessons from history that it sends: that racism beginning with the normalisation of hate speech and discriminatory practices can inexorably lead to Auschwitz. That is why it is so important to preserve the memory of the Shoah/Holocaust (and other genocides) and to oppose any denial or relativisation of it. Not for nothing did Hitler say after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians in World War I "Who remembers the Armenians now". Is it coincidental that Noam Chomsky who defended the Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson on spurious free speech grounds, has also given free passes to Srebinica massacre and other Serb nationalist atrocity deniers and denied the scale of the Khmer Rouge autogenocide in Cambodia along with Ed Herman (who also denies the Rwandan genocide) in "After the Cataclysm" published in the early 1980s?

    Yes, the ideas of Christian Zionists, Dispensationalists and right-wing evangelicals auch as Pastor John Hagee are a form of antisemitism as they desire Jews to be settled in Israel, not because of support for an independent Jewish nation-stat, bute for ultimate conversion to Christianity and the " chosen people" idea is part of that discourse.

    Btw I am an atheist and humanist and so have no desire to be converted by Rabbi Singer or any other fundamentalist nut-job. The Bible has been used to justify a variety of heinous ideas and practices including racism, slavery (Africans shall be hewers of wood and drawers of water); slaughter of enemies in wartime, subjugation of women and the klling of disobedient children and yes antisemitism of the type propounded by Pastor Hagee.

    Saying that the "peoples democracies" of Eastern Europe were not as bad as the Nazis does not say very much. Ought not the barrier for acceptability be raised a little lower for states; for example no arbitrary deaths or imprisonment and no persecution of dissidents.

    Yes, Western powers, to their eternal disgrace, employed ex-Nazis in their Cold War struggles. The Vatican facilitated the 'rat line' of Nazis and Croatian allies to freedom in Latin America in the cause of anticommunism. Nasser in Egypt used Nazi expertise in his attempts to build the Condor missile system to wipe out the "Zionist entity". Syria gave refuge to the Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner presumably to refine the Assad torture family business.

    I don't care if you do not reply to this post. I will leave it to other TPQ readers to deliberate on and discuss what I have written; hopefully without twisting my words to satisfy pre-conceived worldviews or falling back on personal abuse (the most effective default case of all).

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