Mr Dalton's article The Irish Water Sector A Sorry Tale is pretty long.
Unfortunately it could take just as long to answer his many arguable points. My first impression was whoa! why is he writing a regurgitation of all this now? But I have to concur with him that Irish Water sector is indeed in a very sorry tale although not in the way he thinks.
Unfortunately it could take just as long to answer his many arguable points. My first impression was whoa! why is he writing a regurgitation of all this now? But I have to concur with him that Irish Water sector is indeed in a very sorry tale although not in the way he thinks.
Another, off topic thought I had was whoa!
why is TPQ even printing it?
We have been down this road many, many times
countering these conservative, neoliberal capitalist elitist arguments as Mr
Dalton quite rightly says for
decades? Yet here he is still
using what can only be described as a status quo argument and corporate policy
of best, most cost effective, efficient
way of providing a water system in Ireland.
The answer, in my mind, is that best,
efficiency and effectiveness are all subjective terms depending on one's
political viewpoint, outlook and will.
It is not just through the prism of pounds, shillings and pence or to
computed data that we assess best,
effectiveness or efficiency. One
may have to take a circuitous route to get there. It may take a longer route but in the end
this may be more satisfying, fair and dare I say best, efficient and effective.
The way Mr Dalton started his article by
saying that 'Ireland is on a different planet to the rest of the world' is
condescending and misleading. He
maintains this condescending manner throughout. It could be that he has spent a long
time in the lofty towers of Bahrain
where he has exported his political beliefs and his engineering expertise,
accompanied by his corporate ethos, that is a factor in his thinking that
Ireland is a universe away.
However, there is something to what he says
though, but maybe not in way he means,
when he says 'Ireland is almost unique'.
Isn’t that a paradox, you are either unique or not, can one be almost
unique? Anyway, I agree that Ireland is indeed unique, like any county, in its people, culture,
environment and resources.
It is this uniqueness that should determine
policies not only on water but generally how we organise society. Sometimes there is a fine line between common or global policies and bureaucratic
nonsense but there is a major one between democracy, freedom to choose and corporate/multinational imperialism. What fits in one country does not fit
another. Countries can agree on say environmental and sustainable issues but
how one interprets these whether it is Bahrain or Berlin should be a matter for
individual countries.
Whether Mr Dalton is too long looking at
things in an academic, analytical, technical way or succumbed to multinational corporate economic
arguments, his way of thinking is indeed
at odds with 'many of his fellow countrymen'.
This
uniqueness is getting at the crux of the argument and unwittingly he has
hit it. Most of his countrymen and women
are at odds with him, with the Government, with corporate thinking, with EU and
global pressure and have been for a very long time, as he quite rightly says
since the 1980s.
I have been involved in all three campaigns
against the introduction of water charges.
In Buncrana during the first campaign in the 80's led by the National
Assoc of Tenants Organisations against EU pressure and Fine Gael/Labour
capitulation, my family and three others
in the town had our water supply cut off
for over a year. We were also brought to
court. This happened in various parts in
Ireland but our determination forced the Government to abandon water charges.
Mr Dalton has got his the historical
sequence of events more or less right but for a more class oriented approach
have a read of these perspectives.
Mr Dalton's arguments are perhaps futile
given that water charges as he envisions
them are dead in the water, hopefully not to surface again. Even a commission of his peers, hand-picked
by Minister Coveney, the 'Expert Commission on Domestic Water Services' more or less said this in their final report officially submitted to
the Dáil last week.
The Commission report section 5.2.1 stated:
Having considered various options and the background to the current situation, the Expert Commission has reached the conclusion that the optimal arrangement that should now be put in place is one that involves the funding of water services, fro normal domestic and personal use, as a charged against taxationIt should be noted that finally we have at last, got some objective facts and figures albeit in a roundabout way and sifted through the calculus at the other end of the political divide.
However, even Mr Dalton can not ignore the
conclusions. And also maybe acknowledge
a couple of other vital and important facts in the commission's report that
seem to have been missed or sidelined by politicians, the media and
himself.
The Commission acknowledged the groundswell
of opinion in Ireland and that most vital element in anything - trust. In my
view this is one of the most important and essential facts, the lack of trust
that the Irish people have in the Government and Irish Water Ltd, that has come
out of the Commission's report. The
report could not have been any clearer on this stating the importance of trust
several times.
They go on to say that trust has to be
developed and that the Irish people must be part of the decision process. I have to commend the Commission for
highlighting aspect of the whole process.
Maybe Mr Dalton and TDs, some of whom are presently deliberating the
Commission's report in a special Oireachtas Committee, might take heed of this
vital information. Maybe the media might
report the Commission's conclusions properly and not, as usual dwell on
incidental, division sensationalism, pitting one section of the community against
the other i.e. those who paid and those who did not, people with wells etc.
The other titbit of the Commission's report
which seems to be glossed over is their reference to
'the most recent consumption data suggests
that Ireland is at the lower end of the spectrum of EU countries with regard
to domestic consumption'. (Section 2.3.6.)
This little bit of info is highly
significant not only in the circuitous argument but also in the trust and role
of the Irish population point. Either
the Irish are a dirty lot, not washing themselves or they buck the politicians
and corporate view that we are inherently civic minded. I know this may be hard for politicians,
business and the corporate world to comprehend but which is it? I go with civic minded. That is why we have been fighting the
establishments propaganda for decades.
I classify myself as a proponent 'against
charging people for water'. I believe that access to clean drinking water and
sanitation should be a human right. We
eat, we drink, we defecate, the natural process of life. That is something we can not package up and
commodify. It should not be subject to
political or market forces nor should one's basic human needs be subject to
affordability. I think that the mark of a progressive society our quality of
life, and how we utilise our expertise and resources for the benefit of all, equally and fairly.
Mr Dalton says "Personally, I am not
ideologically hung up on the whole public versus private issue." he goes
on to say:
It is a fact that the more successful Irish Water becomes as a utility organisation, the more attractive it would become to a potential private operator. However this does not make privatisation inevitable or even desirable. It is a very weak argument that keeps water services dysfunctional just to guarantee that there will be no privatisation.
And then says "my own preference is for an effective
public utility. Water Charges and Metering in the rest of the World."
Firstly I think, Mr Dalton, should acknowledge that his preference for
privatisation sticks out a mile. He is
playing with words. On the one hand he has no preference either way but on the other hand his preference is
‘public utility’. Well good for him, he can swing both ways. However, this type of argument can described
as 'marketing jargon'. This stance,
sitting on the fence, can only be interpreted as ‘privatisation’ by stealth.
He uses words like 'hung up' and
dysfunctional', disparaging flippant remarks throughout the piece. How dare he
look down on the public who if it was not for years of hardship, courage and
commitment our water resource would by now be owned by the Kingdom of Bahrain
managed by the likes of him. How dare he
make little of the question of privatisation.
Not too sure what he means by 'rest of world' but the statement is
sweeping and again somehow referring to Ireland being out of step.
What does
he mean by his preference for a 'public utility'? Is it run on a commercial basis, possibly
outsourcing the infrastructure and the day to day work to private corporations? This is actually happening and the question
of 'public' and 'private' is getting more and more blurred.
Many of the Anti Water Charges campaigners,
possible not R2W trade unions, are very interested in this very notion of
'Public Utility', it's role and the role of local authorities. This was hinted at in the Commission report,
however, as said before, it was not in the terms of reference. However, they do mention:
Given our earlier recommendation to guarantee Irish Water in public ownership and the proposed funding model, the Expert Commission is of the opinion that the Irish Government, Irish Water and its parent company Ervia may need to fundamentally re-assess the funding model for investment, since a number of the assumptions that were originally made (e.g. Irish Water would be treated off the General Government Balance Sheet) are no longer valid. (5.3.5)
This is interesting and I take it that the Oireachtas must look at the role of Irish Water and how our water infrastructure is organised. Mr Dalton does not go into this but it is clear that the idea of Irish Water Ltd as devised must be fundamentally reviewed.
Given what the Commission said about public
trust and support, some of us would argue a case for a central public utility,
incorporating local authorities expertise, doing the work on the ground as they
are doing and have been doing up to now with very limited budgets. Costs are a factor but not the only one. Control of our resources, the number of
people employed locally and peoples’ input and access to the system, all must
be considered.
We have to counteract what is happening
now, outsourcing our water infrastructure to multinational companies. If this
is allowed to happen there will be job losses: profits will go abroad and all
this funded by the Irish taxpayer.
Mr Dalton talks about metering as if it was the only way to efficiency. Well it's not. Meters are a way of itemising use to maximise
charges. Take for example the change
over from analogue meters to smart meters in electricity. We hear about efficiency and cost
effectiveness but in reality cost to the consumer jumps and profits to the
provider increases. The arguments are misleading. Domestic users in Ireland have never been metered but yet we use the
least amount of water in the EU. It is a
fact that there is widespread leakage in the public system even before it is
delivered to households. Again the
Commission refers to this in section 4.2.
district meters and other new technologies have been shown to be helpful in dis aggregating consumption data. Where a pattern of excessive us is identified in non-metered households, some adjustment to the currently proposed arrangement may have to be considered.
The Commission's report would tally with local water engineers
advising us that there is no need for the expense of installing meters in each
house; that district meters run properly can take care of monitoring, usage and
leakages.
The report also talks about the expense of
metering and questions whether it is advisable to continue. On the ground we have found that whatever
metering that has been installed is of an inferior quality, prone to leaks and
only lasts 10 years at a maximum. Who
will bear the brunt of the costs when the meters have to be renewed? I would argue that they are neither cost
effective or practical.
The health and privacy aspect of 'smart
meters' are not touched on. This is
something that is not discussed or highlighted even by the R2W trade unions but
nevertheless it is a very valid argument against them. Surely the ‘Precautionary Principle’ should
apply especially when dealing with drinking water.
Again it must be stated that the Commission
term of reference was ‘Domestic Service’ it was interesting to note in section
2.4.22:
There have also been problems noted with the collection rate for non-domestic charges, and according to Boyle (2012) ‘service indicator data for Irish local authorities shows that some local authorities have experienced significant difficulties with collecting water charges from non-domestic sector.’ And noting that the collection rate for commercial water charges was much worse that for other charges with almost half of water charges being unpaid across all local authorities (2012:22)
Commercial charging and metering have been an ‘established practice’ in Ireland as opposed to domestic which are not. It also must be stated that since the 80’s the Irish Government has increased motor tax and vat. This increase in taxation amounting to over 1.5 billion and counting was to go to the funding of water supply.
I am glad Mr Dalton mentions the Water
Framework Directive and specifically refers to Article 9.4. It gives
me the opportunity to agree that
indeed this is ‘the most important piece
of European water sector legislation’ but I would argue contrary to Mr Dalton
that Article 9.4 was unique to Ireland ,
an astute piece of legislation. I am
not sure what he means referring to Article 9.4: “This is often quoted unconvincingly in
support of a contention that Ireland is legally obliged to introduce water
charges.” However, from his subsequent
statements I get the feeling that he regrets it’s inclusion and derides it’s proposers: the Fianna Fáil party “ensured that Article 9 was ambiguous and
open to interpretation”.
Far from it being unclear and open to
interpretation as Mr Dalton says, Buncrana Together is in no doubt about what
the 9.4 Exemption means, about it’s relevance to Ireland’s water charges issue.
See Buncrana Together article here and all the sources given.
Mr Dalton’s explanations between some of his disparaging comments is quite lucid and informative. However, I would go on, as the above Buncrana articles encourages, that Ireland should insist on the retention of this vital piece of EU legislation in our River Basin Management Plans. The 2nd 2015-2021 is in the process of being drafted. Again I have to criticise the R2W unions for not highlighting the 9.4 Exemption and not supplying any submission regarding it to the RBMP despite advise from members and the wider anti water charges groups that they should do so.
Mr Dalton’s explanations between some of his disparaging comments is quite lucid and informative. However, I would go on, as the above Buncrana articles encourages, that Ireland should insist on the retention of this vital piece of EU legislation in our River Basin Management Plans. The 2nd 2015-2021 is in the process of being drafted. Again I have to criticise the R2W unions for not highlighting the 9.4 Exemption and not supplying any submission regarding it to the RBMP despite advise from members and the wider anti water charges groups that they should do so.
Conclusion
Despite not being quite on the same wavelength
politically and I am guessing socially as Mr Dalton, I find that there is some
common ground between us. Ireland should have a state of the art water
system and as he says “a real victory would be a successful national water
utility that the Irish people are happy with and proud of.”
However,
I would go further and say that such a utility and our water resource
must be enshrined in the Constitution as well as the citizen’s right of a
domestic water supply. Any plan
must incorporate maximum employment
locally and ensure that ancillary
projects and infrastructures are run and controlled in the public’s interest and not sub-contracted out to private corporations.
Finally I would put the record straight, to amend Mr Dalton’s perception of the Right to Water movement. There are many groups in Ireland that some independent and some that can generally come under the umbrella of R2W. However, there are some subtle differences one being R2W Trade Unions run by Mr Ogle seem to have taken on the mantle as leaders of the movement. Again Buncrana Together have written quite a bit on this and I would advise Mr Dalton that Mr Ogle’s account in his book is very much a subjective account. And for a more in depth, objective on read Buncrana Together or Fliuch.org web site or indeed Anti Austerity Alliance who by the way has done more that any other for the state of play today especially their track record and their policy of ‘Boycott’.
Finally I would put the record straight, to amend Mr Dalton’s perception of the Right to Water movement. There are many groups in Ireland that some independent and some that can generally come under the umbrella of R2W. However, there are some subtle differences one being R2W Trade Unions run by Mr Ogle seem to have taken on the mantle as leaders of the movement. Again Buncrana Together have written quite a bit on this and I would advise Mr Dalton that Mr Ogle’s account in his book is very much a subjective account. And for a more in depth, objective on read Buncrana Together or Fliuch.org web site or indeed Anti Austerity Alliance who by the way has done more that any other for the state of play today especially their track record and their policy of ‘Boycott’.
Five million people max on this island and a deluge of rain weekly. Endless decades of corruption from TDs and wasted EU money. On top of the austerity deliberately foisted on this small population by criminal bankers and TDs Irish Water proceeded to throw about countless millions in 'consultancy-fees'to the usual shameless suspects. Are we really to trust these people with our water? I agree, I also found Mr Dalton's article a tad condescending and thought the big projects in the middle east and 'loadza-dosh' must have gone to his head. We need a logical, practical and common sense approach to utilities and services in Ireland. Not more of the cute hoor scamming and thieving of public funds, assets and natural resources. ENOUGH.
ReplyDeleteThere should only be concern if Joe Dalton's piece was not afforded space on TPQ. Why would TPQ not run it?
ReplyDeleteJames,
ReplyDeleteI think you are being a bit harsh to accuse me of being condescending. In describing Ireland as “almost unique” I was aware that there are exceptions. One place where there were/are no water charges is Libya where I worked for a short time. The context there is not relevant to Ireland. For practical purposes I think Ireland is unique.
The findings of the Expert Commission on relatively low domestic usage in Ireland were indeed interesting. You should note that it is thanks to metering that we have this information. What is a typical trend when domestic metering is installed is that initially as households are aware they are being measured they are more conservative in their usage. Gradually their usage reverts back to normal as they regard the cost of water to be low compared to overall household expenditure. I am not saying this explains these figures in Ireland but it is a possibility given the limited long term user data available. Either way the focus on metering for conservation was always superfluous.
I agree with you that an effective utility is subjective and cost effectiveness is only one parameter. I totally agree that what works in one country may not work in another and that countries should be free to choose what works best for them. You accuse me of being pro-privatisation. The most common form of privatisation that campaigners rail against are Divestiture (probably the purest form of privatisation but relatively rare) and Concessions, Leases Contracts and Management Contracts all of which have been very common over the last two decades. I do not advocate any of these models for Ireland. My opposition isn’t ideological in that if other countries wish to try these models and they work for them then good luck to them. In such cases I would want to learn what worked well and what didn’t.
Where I do see merit in private sector involvement in Ireland is in the provision of certain services, for example construction of new infrastructure or provision of leak detection services. As long as these contracts are well designed and accountable to the public utility, and the general public, they can be in the public interest and provide better value for money than hiring all the expertise directly by the utility.
Domestic metering is one of tools used to manage the water network. I never suggested it as the only or most important one. I am glad to see that the importance of district metering appears to be recognised by all. District and household metering are two parts of the water balance equation that identifies where such leakage is occurring.
You are in the right ball park regarding the typical life of a meter though this depends on local conditions such as typical flowrate, water quality, protection from the elements, quality of materials and construction which can vary massively. If all of these issues are addressed the meter life could be considerably longer. In terms of funding of replacement meters there should be no need to ever repeat the large capital cost being incurred at the moment. Replacement of faulty customer meters should come under the utility Operation and Maintenance budget. I must acknowledge that I haven’t researched the health concerns of metering in any detail. All I can say that is that I have been working with meters, including ‘smart meters’, for over a decade and have had no health issues myself.
The level of non-payment of commercial users identified in the Expert Commission report is a scandal. I would hope that full cross party and community support can be obtained for dealing with this.
Regarding the Water Framework Directive my annoyance is more with the focus and perceived need for Article 9 at all. I believe water charges are right for the country and should be brought in if and when people like me win the argument against people like you, not because Brussels says we must. I also resent the undemocratic notion that if we do ever introduce them that Europe has an everlasting veto on our right to remove them in future if we so choose.
Larry
ReplyDeleteIn fairness I think Joe's reasoning has all the elements you demand, ie, they are a reasoned attempt at a "logical, practical and common sense approach". I don't agree with his view on water charges but can see that he does have considerable knowledge and expertise in the supply of water. I think your dismissal of his views are out of order in so far as you come across as resentful that he might be doing well for himself overseas.
Christy Walsh
ReplyDeleteCop yerself on. I begrudge no man doing well and it is because of the cute hoors like Bertie (suicide) Ahern, no doubt, that he had to go abroad in order to do well. He's not alone or unique in that. Ahern is slithering back to the Dail trough now if he can get back into FF. After 'craftily' stepping off his own economic freight train that he deliberately smashed into the buffers in 2008. The Irish, still never recovered from that experience, are correct not to trust these shysters with anything as important as water. Privatisation has been a disaster right across America. People have paying money for toxic undrinkable water, so companies can make a quick buck. Do you honestly think the gombeens here in the Dail, with their track record can be let loose with an asset/resource like that? It hardly maters what experience Joe has professionally, privatisation is the end game for the self servers in the Dail. Why take the chance in the first place?
I would totally agree with Larry on his point. Joe reasoning about the use of water sounds correct as he has all the expertise and knowledge to validate his theories. But from what I have read he sounds like he views water as a commodity, that can be bought and sold and it does, instead of being an essential ingredient that sustains life on this planet.
ReplyDeleteConservation is always the starting point from most politicians about the use or misuse of water but privatisation is usually the end game.
It is incredible how people get won over by the notion of 'expert'. In my experience never believe a word they tell you. Take for example Joe's statement with regard to 'smart meters'
ReplyDelete'All I can say is that I have been working with meters, including ‘smart meters’, for over a decade and have had no health issues myself."
It reminds me of the anti uranium campaign in Donegal in the 70s. We had a public meeting in Buncrana at the time and an engineer advocating mining stood up, held a piece of granite, I believe, and said look this is a piece of uranium and it is perfectly harmless. Well he was hunted out of the hall and the mining company out of Donegal.
From the nuclear campaign in Carnsore Point, the incinerator campaign in Derry and recently Save the Foyle campaign we have been told by expert engineers that we had nothing to fear, that their studies, their safety measures and state of art designs would prevent any harm. They all sounded sincere but one thing they had in common they were all on the payroll.
Irish Water, RPS, Veolia, Architects and Engineers Ireland and on and on are all one happy clique
see http://buncranatogether.com/home/2016/11/25/polr81wmgd20jw1eajgu4z8fdapmc2?rq=wallace
Here is a Guardian article Dec 19 2016 but there are many such incidents, like Flint Michigan or Trihalomethanes issue in 11 reservoirs in Donegal and hundreds in Ireland
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/19/southern-water-fined-record-2m-sewage-leak-kent-beaches
"Water companies have been frequently criticised for making huge profits and awarding large shareholder dividends, while paying little or no corporation tax. In October 2015, the National Audit Office found that an £800m windfall for water companies had not been passed on to consumers.
In 2015-16, Southern Water made an operating profit of £284m, representing 35% of its turnover. Judge Williams fined the company £500,000 in 2014 for another sewage pollution incident in Kent, while in 2015 the company was fined £187,000 for allowing 40m litres of untreated sewage to pour into the sea near East Worthing.
In September, Southern Water was named as the most complained-against water company in the country, for the fourth year a row. The company is owned by a consortium of private equity and infrastructure investors and pension funds."
Mal
ReplyDeleteWater is a commodity and there is not a supermarket that does not sell it by the gallon. That was not the take I got from Joe's article -he detailed successive governments neglecting the water services that the whole infrastructure is now in crisis that requires a lot of money to put right.
Joe believes in charging the public a tarrif plus taxes (the tarrifs are to bring the system upto scratch and taxes after that -at least that was my understanding). I made the mistake of thinking he was advocating for privatization but I was wrong he meant using private companies lower down to make the system more efficient -just like other Government departments use private contractors to build houses or roads etc.
James Q
Joe did not win me over on water charges but I do not dispute his expertise/knowledge on water treatment and supply -it is what he does.
Larry
ReplyDeleteYou did not shoot his arguments down for lack of logic or common sense but because you "found Mr Dalton's article a tad condescending and thought the big projects in the middle east and 'loadza-dosh' must have gone to his head." Sounds resentful to me because of what income you think he has.
James,
ReplyDeleteThere is a Code of Ethics for the engineering profession. Most water engineers work hard to ensure water is clean enough to drink and that wastewater is treated and discharged safely back to the environment despite your lack of appreciation for their efforts. I don’t seek to defend Southern Water for their sewage overflows nor do I advocate the Divestiture model of privatisation, in which Southern Water operate, for Ireland.
I can assure you that my views are my own and I am not expressing them because of any payroll. I certainly hope I wouldn’t be hunted out of Buncrana for them.
For what it’s worth I have spent more time trying to persuade utilities not to use ‘smart meters’. Some developing world utilities think technology is the answer to all their problems when they often need to address other issues first.
I don’t claim any expertise in the intricacies of data transmission. I am not an Electrical or Electronic Engineer. I use the same technologies to monitor and transmit flow and pressure data in the water network that you use to send a text message. The health concerns about ‘smart meters’ aren’t a water contamination issue as the transmission device sits on top of the meter and doesn’t come into contact with the water. I would guess your concerns relate to possible issues with the data/radio signals and how they might interact with the human body. I would think that similar concerns have existed over the years regarding mobile phones, Wi-Fi, wireless radio and microwave ovens. Do you apply the full rigours of the Precautionary Principle to all of these?
Christy Walsh
ReplyDeletePerhaps I should have elaborated. The profit private water companies earn compared to the lack of investment, quality service they provide is what I was trying to point out. A huge profit is surely the target and end game for those wanting privatisation and water charges. Also, I am sure Joe isn't in the Middle East because he was attracted by the scenery and mild climate. He obviously is savvy on the subject and the information is welcome a read. However I too am wary of people holding up Parchments claiming 'expertise'. I saw enough 'questionable' sorts at university to make me cautious of that. Also, just look at the abuse and corruption scandals that are widespread in all walks of life where deference was previously conferred. Trust is not an option.