Get Tough on Terror: Round up Jihadists and Bigots

TPQ regular John Coulter with another of his Irish Daily Star column.

Swap Islamic jihadists in Ireland and Britain for persecuted Christians in the Middle East.

There’s no doubt Ireland and Britain as two leading Christian nations could play a major role in preventing the whole scale massacre of Christians, especially by radicals from the militant Islamic State movement.

But it has to be a two-way process. For every Middle Eastern Christian refugee who is given safety in Ireland or Britain, a clearly identified Islamic radical should be sent packing to ISIS territory.

Ireland not only has an obligation as a Christian nation to ‘do its bit’ to help Christian refugees, it must also provide protection for decent muslims living on the Emerald Isle who want nothing to do with jihadist Islam.

Stereotyping can have very dire consequences; just ask Pastor James McConnell, the outspoken cleric who is retiring from North Belfast’s Whitewell Metropolitan Tabernacle.

He branded Islam ‘satanic’ and ‘heathen’ during a filmed sermon.

Surely the muslims who serve with dignity and dedication in the security forces of Britain, Ireland and the United States are not ‘satanic’?

As a Christian myself, I have had meals on several occasions with Muslim members of the Egyptian Society of Northern Ireland.

There’s no way any of these folks could be labelled ‘satanic’ That’s akin to branding all Catholics as IRA terrorists, or all Protestants as backing the heinous crimes of the UVF Shankill Butchers gang.

But the hard reality is that we need to protect our democratic society from jihadists, whether they be from the Islamic State, or the so-called supporters of the Ku Klux Klan waging racist attacks on migrant workers in Belfast.

Surely the intelligence community in Ireland has enough facts to implement a round-up of radicals who can be deported from these shores?

Unfortunately, mention the ‘I’ word – internment – and it immediately conjures up the notorious images of British troops and police rounding up republicans and loyalists in 1971 based on outdated intelligence.

Let’s not beat about the bush – we need the immediate internment of Islamic jihadists and white racist supremacists across Ireland and bung them in a new-look Maze jail, near Lisburn.

The terror threat from jihadists has reached such a fever pitch that Ireland radically needs its own version of the Yanks’ Guantanamo Bay to hold suspected Islamic extremists.

And security forces must also know who is suspected to be orchestrating racist attacks across the North. These racist suspects need to be interned, too.

While Pastor McConnell has apologised for his initial remarks on Islam, the damage may already have been done.

As even more Christians get butchered in the Middle East by Islamic radicals, unfortunately it is only a matter of time before racist bigots begin targeting Ireland’s steadily growing Muslim community.

Such bigots quickly move on to other people they deem to be ‘the enemy’. That’s why the crisis has to be nipped in the bud before it becomes a social epidemic.

During World War Two, the British interned anyone with fascist or Nazi sympathies. And it should not be forgotten it was the British who invented the concept of the concentration camp during the 19th century Boer Wars in Southern Africa.

Ireland has an impeccable record for sending both cash aid and Christian missionaries across the globe.

Just as Ireland helped the Vietnamese boat people in their time of crisis in the late 20th century, the island must continue this Christian spirit by extending the hand of help to the Middle East’s Christian community.

To Enda Kenny and Peter Robinson I say – forget fancy rhetoric, let the round-up of Islamic radicals and racist bigots begin!

32 comments:

  1. "For every Middle Eastern Christian refugee who is given safety in Ireland or Britain, a clearly identified Islamic radical should be sent packing to ISIS territory."

    Who would be the person/people or organisation responsible for identifying such 'Islamic radicals', and by what criteria? Would there be equivalent measures in place to clearly identify Christian radicals, and would they be excluded from this proposed exchange, or would simply being a Middle Eastern Christian be sufficient to enable participation?

    "...provide protection for decent Muslims ..." How would decency be measured, and by whom?

    "... need to protect our democratic society ..." Leaving aside for a moment the fact that many un-democratic things are currently happening in Britain and Ireland, particularly within our criminal justice systems, could we genuinely call our society a democratic one if wide scale internment were to be re-introduced for our "protection"?

    Should people really be criminalised because of their thoughts and opinions, the way they are in, for example, Isis controlled areas?

    "During World War Two, the British interned anyone with fascist or Nazi sympathies" along with very many Jewish refugees and other "dissidents" and "undesirables" fleeing from persecution in Nazi occupied Europe. Thousands of ethnic Japanese American citizens were also interned in the States. The fact that we've done it before doesn't make it right, does it?

    "Stereotyping can have very dire consequences" - Indeed.

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  2. As a Christian myself, I have had meals on several occasions with Muslim members of the Egyptian Society of Northern Ireland

    Brendan Hughes was friends with Basher Bates, can anything of Butchers ideology be determined from Bates’ personal decency?

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  3. I read a few lines and stopped after mister coulter advocated sending Islamic radicals to an area where radicals a cutting people's heads off. Talk about passing the buck. Maybe he should ask the question as to why these Islamic radicals are so radical. Maybe it's the British, American and the west foreign policy.

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  4. What is wrong with wanting to kick the invading Americans out of your country ? The lack of support from so called republicans is shamefully and unsurprisingly absent.
    Why the refusal of republicans to burn an American flag outisde Shannon, the 51st state ?

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  5. kieran said...
    What is wrong with wanting to kick the invading Americans out of your country ? The lack of support from so called republicans is shamefully and unsurprisingly absent.
    Why the refusal of republicans to burn an American flag outisde Shannon, the 51st state ?


    Hahahahahahahahahahah.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha....

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  6. Unfortunately, mention the ‘I’ word – internment – and it immediately conjures up the notorious images of British troops and police rounding up republicans and loyalists in 1971 based on outdated intelligence.

    Or Stephen Murney, Alex McCroy, Colin Duffy, Ta McWillaims.. Wasn't Martin Corey sent into exile after his interment John????

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  7. Kieran - I appreciate what you are saying and i think i understand why DaithiD finds it funny, but i can't see the relevance to what John Coulter has said. Would either of you mind elaborating please? Thank you.

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  8. @ Kieran.
    Iran would be the natural ally for Irish Fenians.
    They too were occupied by the Brits and they didn't enjoy it.
    The Brits help the Yanks under Kermit Roosevelt to overthrow the democartic Mossdeagh.
    And the British Embassy in Tehran on on "bobby Sands street.
    Although the British had to block up that entrance and move the door so as that address would not appear on their letterhead.
    Iran supports democratic movements such as Hezbollah and Hamas. They are sh'ite who are not the headbangers like the Sunnis.
    so I support Iran in the Arab world although the majority of Iranians are Persian not Arabs.

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  9. Kieran,

    While no reasonable person - let alone anyone who considers themselves a Republican - would subscribe to Mr. Coulter's proposal to intern "Islamic radicals", the ignorance of your statement is exceeded only by its callous disregard that this article appeared on September 11.

    ISIS isn't fighting "to kick the invading Americans out". To start with, there are no Americans in Syria, which is still where the majority of ISIS operates. ISIS is what are called "takfiris", in other words, Muslims who declare other Muslims to be infidels and therefore deserving of death.

    With the tragic exception of the two journalists murdered by ISIS, the overwhelming majority of their victims have been other Muslims and ethnic/religious minorities (Turkmen, Christians, Alawites) whose communities have been indigenous to the region for thousands of years. I await your clear-headed explanation of how this is a rational (or even sane) antidote to American foreign policy.

    ISIS are fighting to create a medieval Islamic caliphate that would be ruled by their genocidal interpretation of Islamic law, something that is not only anathema to any decent human being but also the exact opposite of the democratic, multi-confessional Ireland long advocated by the Republican movement.

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  10. Chap,
    the ignorance of your statement is exceeded only by its callous disregard that this article appeared on September 11.

    It also appreared here a few day before the anniversary of 9/11...Maybe John wrote the piece to coincide with 9/11 I don't know.. But it appeared before 9/11...

    ISIS is what are called "takfiris", in other words, Muslims who declare other Muslims to be infidels and therefore deserving of death.

    IS are nothing else than an off shoot of al qaeda both who can be traced back to a CIA data base... I'm not excusing their actions but Uncle Sam did have a big part to play in how they came to be..


    With the tragic exception of the two journalists murdered by ISIS, the overwhelming majority of their victims have been other Muslims and ethnic/religious minorities (Turkmen, Christians, Alawites) whose communities have been indigenous to the region for thousands of years. I await your clear-headed explanation of how this is a rational (or even sane) antidote to American foreign policy.

    I'm with you in everything apart from the Foley killing.. . I said before on this site I don't buy into it and now experts don't think it happened the way it has be said...

    The British jihadi being blamed for beheading US journalist James Foley may not have been responsible as the video depicting it could have been edited, experts have said.

    Footage showing a masked man with a London accent delivering a warning to the West about intervening to stop Islamic State before apparently beheading Foley has triggered disgust, fear and outrage on both sides of the Atlantic.

    But an expert in visual forensics, who was commissioned by The Times to examine the hideous footage, said he believed the it had been "staged" and "Jihadi John", as the Briton has been nicknamed, does not actually perform the execution.


    ISIS are fighting to create a medieval Islamic caliphate that would be ruled by their genocidal interpretation of Islamic law,

    IS are doing exactly what America tell them.... They (the west) need total control of the oil & gas fields in Iraq because they know the sanctions against Putin don't mean diddly squat. He (Putin) can turn off oil & gas in to Europe like we turn on/off a water tap...

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  11. Frankie, I could endorse their destruction of ancient artefacts, crucifixions, beheadings, mass rapes, torture and anti-female agenda in general, but this :
    IS are nothing else than an off shoot of al qaeda both who can be traced back to a CIA data base..
    is totally unacceptable in even basic Republican terms:‘Murica!
    I withdraw my support immediately. Thanks.

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  12. If the piece appeared before 9/11, I stand corrected. I'm in America so sometimes these things get delayed, or maybe I just didn't see it.

    Your reply is a perfect illustration of one reason the Republican movement is in such disarray. We know from recent research into human cognition that when confronted with facts that undermine their pre-existing beliefs, human beings will often ignore those facts. Clinging to ridiculous conspiracy theories is one such example. Briefly...

    The current leader of ISIS was once a member of Al-Qaeda's Iraq offshoot. To start with, that offshoot was not actually part of the "Al-Qaeda Central" that was at least partially a reaction to American interference in the Afghan Wars. Al-Qaeda In Mesopotamia was composed of Iraqi extremists, tribal allies and former members of the Bathist regime. They declared themselves part of Al-Qaeda in pursuit of money, weapons and notoriety.

    After the US and its Sunni Muslim allies largely defeated AQIM, some surviving members traveled to Syria to participate in the war against the Assad regime. Others lay low in Iraq, waiting for the US to withdraw. The Shiite regime in Iraq played into their hands by blatantly favoring Shiites over Sunnis and by targeting many Sunni leaders for arrest or assassination. And to be clear, those members of AQIM who went to fight Assad did so for RELIGIOUS reasons. Assad is a member of the Alawite religion, which Sunni takfiris consider heretical.

    As currently composed. ISIS has different goals, methods, sources of finance and priorities than what remains of Al Qaeda. Proof of this is the fact that Al Qaeda actually severed ties with ISIS because they believed their methods were counterproductive to the Jihadist cause. In other words, they were too brutal even for Al Qaeda.

    The United States does not control, sponsor or liaison with ISIS. Neither did America invade Iraq to control their oil. This silly theory is easily disproved by the fact that if Iraqi oil were a priority, we would never have removed Saddam from power. A pliant dictator is always a more reliable supplier than an ineffective, unpredictable nationalist administration.

    There are many, many criticisms that can be made about American foreign policy. I have made many of them, here and elsewhere. There is no need to trot out tired old "revolutionary" theories.

    The American invasion of Iraq was illegal, immoral and a strategic blunder of historic proportions; having said that, ISIS are a well-organized, well-funded and utterly ruthless group of religious fanatics who crucify their Christian victims, sell female captives of all backgrounds into sexual slavery and intend to export their nihilistic theology as far as force of arms will permit. To spend time dreaming up false "conspiracies" about which ISIS member beheaded a journalist on camera rather misses the point.

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  13. Sorry... one more point. Putin cannot "turn off the tap" because the Russian economy is totally dependent on the export of natural resources. If he refused to sell natural gas to Western Europe, the Russian economy would collapse in months.

    Putin is a brutal, expansionist dictator who has invaded three neighboring countries in ten years. His regime is essentially organized crime writ large. Blaming the West for his invasion of Ukraine or the (now very rarely heard) theories that Kiev is run by fascists are another example of Republicans/nationalists/the left dreaming up dumb conspiracy theories instead of engaging in hard-eyed, realistic appraisals of how to move our agenda forward.

    I apologize in advance if this all came out a little overwrought. I am a New Yorker and was present on 9/11. I get a little emotional about the threat posed by extremists of all kinds, including the Islamic variety.

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  14. Calm down Dr. Coulter the Crusade is on its way Christendom is safe and the west has it in the bag.

    Are the people you want to trade citizens and doesn’t that notion fly in the face of government position of not dealing with terrorists?

    What about the non-Christians they slaughter would your scheme include saving them. What is new in another religious war anyway wouldn’t all this shite just be gods’ will so why not let god sort it out or is the fear of another religion to much competition in the god wars.

    We already have people exiled from their homes, family, and friends under excessive British law in the north. Nothing like a good dose of denying people’s rights to build up your united Christian front trading the ungodly for your ideal of godly.

    Isn’t democracy supposed to be about freedoms no one exiled the extremist Paisley? His hatred was allowed and flourished is there any difference when extremists of any religion go off kilter.

    Why are the Arab nations not confronting the extremists I suppose the Saudis’ don’t wish to get their Lamborghini cop cars dirty. Any chance of changing that royal sectarian law banning taigs from the throne that is acceptable extremist law specifically anti-Catholic that would mean that evil bastion of Rome would have a say again. Drop the equal Christian act as the law spells out it is not equal.

    When it comes to Islam those papists long oppressed by English Protestant rule don’t look so bad today a lesser more acceptable evil.

    Why not just round up all those deemed radical or extremist and ship all non-Christians out and create your idea of a religious utopia.

    Religions causing wars since man began worshiping anything. Your idea is extremist calling for deportations of other religious idiots. I doubt British intelligence would agree with your notion as they like to spy and convert radicals if a mouse farts in a Mosque they have it recorded. Why would they want to ship these people off that would make infiltrating and gathering intelligence on them a wee bit less convenient?

    Stopping the slaughter in the sandbox should not be rooted in religion. Why did you not make the same offer for Palestine-Christians exchange radical Jews for Christians caught up in Israel’s war on Gaza? All you are presenting is your on fear of Islam gone are the days of a lily white British Christian Empire so sad now it has returned to bit the arse that oppressed so many cultures they didn’t give too much thought playing kingdoms and castles expanding the Empire.

    No harm to religions but as the English band The Jam sang decades ago, “get out your mats and pray to the west, I’ll get out mine and pray for myself.”

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  15. Daithi,

    I don't agree with what IS are doing any more than I agree with the west..

    The CIA data base link is Robin Cooks farewell speech... You should listen to it. That's where the mess can basically be traced to..

    And Al Qaeda is/was a CIA data base.. I think it was a French general who first let the cat out of the bag..

    Chap.. let me grab a coffee and I'll get back to you. I'm not an Irish Republican. I grew up in Belfast during the conflict but I avoided it, circumvented it... I'm learning what Irish Republicanism is today..Everyone (regular readers, posters, voyeurs) know I class myself as a Belfast Rockabilly.

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  16. Frankie,

    Then at the very least, you have excellent taste in music.

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  17. Reply to Chap part 1

    Chap ...We know from recent research into human cognition that when confronted with facts that undermine their pre-existing beliefs, human beings will often ignore those facts. Clinging to ridiculous conspiracy theories is one such example. .

    Then why do alot of Americans still believe 19 Muslims with box cutters brought down the two WTC's, building 7, crashed a plane into the Pentagon ...? When fact say's other wise...?

    To start with, that offshoot was not actually part of the "Al-Qaeda Central" that was at least partially a reaction to American interference in the Afghan Wars.

    Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

    '“I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .“Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students’ punishment.

    “For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: ‘You’ll be noted in ‘Q eidat il-Maaloomaat’ which meant ‘You’ll be logged in the information database.’ Meaning ‘You will receive a warning . . .’ If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Meaning ‘the decision database.’ It meant ‘you will be punished.’ For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in ‘Al Qaida.


    cont....

    In Arabic, the files were called, ‘Q eidat il-Maaloomaat’ and ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic ‘Q eidat ilmu’ti’aat’ which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for “base.” The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called ‘q eidat ‘riyadh al ‘askariya.’ Q eida means “a base” and “Al Qaida” means “the base.”

    Now you know where the data base came from...

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  18. Chap part 2

    Al-Qaeda In Mesopotamia was composed of Iraqi extremists, tribal allies and former members of the Bathist regime. They declared themselves part of Al-Qaeda in pursuit of money, weapons and notoriety.

    The Prophecy of Oded Yinon

    "The dissolution of Syria and Iraq into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run, it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. "An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and Lebanon.

    "In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul and Shiite areas in the South will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north."

    Basically they (the west) want to Balkanize the middle east using what is known as the 'The Hornets nest'..It took longer than hoped but the goal is still the same. Why do you think America are pushing fracking? My guess is their oil & gas reserves are dwindling.. That's why they need middle east oil & gas and have for a long time...

    After the US and its Sunni Muslim allies largely defeated AQIM, some surviving members traveled to Syria to participate in the war against the Assad regime.

    Who started the current Syrian war again? And why?

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  19. Chap part 3

    Proof of this is the fact that Al Qaeda actually severed ties with ISIS because they believed their methods were counterproductive to the Jihadist cause. In other words, they were too brutal even for Al Qaeda.

    To brutal? Exactly how many western journalists did the data base behead? How many suicide bombings did they carry out...? Different cheeks of the same arse. How is one beheading more brutal than another? What about the data base's human rights record in Pakistan & Afghan...?

    The United States does not control, sponsor or liaison with ISIS. Neither did America invade Iraq to control their oil. This silly theory is easily disproved by the fact that if Iraqi oil were a priority, we would never have removed Saddam from power.

    Chap, I live on the third rock from the sun on a planet called earth. You should visit it sometime.. Do you seriously believe the war on terrorism (that's a joke) wasn't over oil & gar and the trillions of minerals in Afghan.. They took Sadam out because he wanted to trade in Euro's and not the green back..Same as Libya. Just before Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi got black listed he was wined and dined by the west...Or at least by Britain & France, then Uncle Sam say's.."Can't do that" and the world turned on him. I'm not saying he was saint by any means but at least he was better than what the west replaced him with.. Total anarchy.

    A pliant dictator is always a more reliable supplier than an ineffective, unpredictable nationalist administration

    Are you talking about George Bush or Obama???

    There are many, many criticisms that can be made about American foreign policy. I have made many of them, here and elsewhere. There is no need to trot out tired old "revolutionary" theories.

    What you are doing Chap is finding excuses to justify the fcuk up Uncle Sam & his allies has made of this rock..

    The American invasion of Iraq was illegal, immoral and a strategic blunder of historic proportions; having said that, ISIS are a well-organized, well-funded and utterly ruthless group of religious fanatics who crucify their Christian victims, sell female captives of all backgrounds into sexual slavery and intend to export their nihilistic theology as far as force of arms will permit.

    At least you called that right (the part in bold).. Again, I have never once said what IS are doing is right. It's wrong on every level. I mentioned it on a thread here the other week what they (IS) are doing is wrong while the worlds attention was on Gaza..

    To spend time dreaming up false "conspiracies" about which ISIS member beheaded a journalist on camera rather misses the point.

    What I have said, and I'll say it again is Jihadi John didn't do the killing and the video is fake...I didn't say Foley wasn't killed. I said who didn't kill him.

    Then at the very least, you have excellent taste in music.

    Chap us Rockabilly's perfer to go Rockin in Baghdad not blow the place up.. We'd dance the bop while pyramids were shakin' to the Tennessee Rock 'n' Roll.. not try to change regimes..

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  20. Chap part 4


    Sorry... one more point. Putin cannot "turn off the tap" because the Russian economy is totally dependent on the export of natural resources. If he refused to sell natural gas to Western Europe, the Russian economy would collapse in months.

    If Putin needs to he'll sell to China & the rest of south east Asia, Iran and several south American countries...And the Indian sub continent.. BRIC countries for short and that's what the west are crapping themselves about.. They (the west) know their economies are on the slide while others are on the up...

    Putin is a brutal, expansionist dictator who has invaded three neighboring countries in ten years.

    Bush & Obama.. Iraq & Afghan, fcuked up Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and give money and arms hand over fist to Israel.. One is as bad as the other...

    His regime is essentially organized crime writ large. Blaming the West for his invasion of Ukraine or the (now very rarely heard) theories that Kiev is run by fascists are another example of Republicans/nationalists/the left dreaming up dumb conspiracy theories instead of engaging in hard-eyed, realistic appraisals of how to move our agenda forward.

    Why doesn't the west bomb Russia? They can bomb every other country who piss them off...

    I apologize in advance if this all came out a little overwrought. I am a New Yorker and was present on 9/11. I get a little emotional about the threat posed by extremists of all kinds, including the Islamic variety.

    I can understand that. There are families everyday in the six counties who get emotional because they lost loved ones...What Americans (with respect) forget is there was thousands of 9/11's in the six counties..

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  21. Frankie my facetious comment was in reference to a comment made earlier not by you, I know you aren’t an ISIS supporter (they would ban rockabilly for a start!).

    My guess is their oil & gas reserves are dwindling..

    But what if America had enough shale gas reserves to become a net energy exporter by 2020? Do you understand what that means? What if they have been shifting their energy production plants away from oil (or dual oil/gas) input to sole gas input, and this process was in place prior to the Iraq war? That would severely dent your theory wouldn’t it? The main energy story of this last decade is not the Iraq war.

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  22. Daithi,
    That would severely dent your theory wouldn’t it? The main energy story of this last decade is not the Iraq war.

    it would except the 'The Prophecy of Oded Yinon' from Counter Punch that I linked was originally penned in 1982... Way before the invasion of the middle east.. As for fracking to get shale gas. All that'll do is create mini earth quakes and shift plates under the soil. Whats wrong with covering the Arizona desert in solar panels and harvesting the energy the sun produces freely??? My guess is the powers that be would lose too many green backs.

    On a different subject but kinda related Daithi, I take on board Momo was a kiddie fiddler. I argued that with the Taliban years ago.. I'm trying to work out a piece in my head called 'Sex, drugs & rock'n'roll for TPQ.. I kinda started, got the idea shortly after I posted a comment on a piece called A Savile Savage (should be the last comment, there is 8).. I'll start with the King of rock'n'roll.. If he was alive today and involved with a 14yr old..and then got her to live with him couldn't a case be made for Elvis grooming Priscilla? Jerry lee lewis married his 13yr old cousin... Cliff 'Kitty' Richards is alleged to like golden showers, basically pissing in to young boys mouths...

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  23. the left dreaming up dumb conspiracy theories instead of engaging in hard-eyed, realistic appraisals of how to move our agenda forward.

    Chap what is your agenda exactly? I don't have one.....

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  24. Chap,
    You cast aspersions, without disproving allegations. Conspiracy theory is just another disinformation tool. Tell people rationally why they are so misguided, then aforementioned conspiracy theories wouldn't exist.

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  25. Frankie - I am an Irish-American who supports a free, unified, democratic Ireland. I'm also pretty liberal (for an American) and support a progressive agenda. In terms of American domestic politics, that means I support marriage equality, universal access to contraception, oppose the increasing accumulation of wealth in the hands of a tiny minority and support efforts to transition to renewable sources of energy. I'm also a practicing Roman Catholic and love the NY Yankees.

    The things you've written are simply untrue. In America, we say, "A man has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." I don't know who "Pierre Henry-Bunel, former agent for French military intelligence" is, if he really did work for French military intelligence, or if he even exists. My guess is, it's just some nonsense you found on the Internet. If I'm understanding your point, you seem to be suggesting that Al-Qaeda started out as some kind of CIA data base in Saudi Arabia? And your proof of this is that Al-Qaeda means "the base" in Arabic? That kind of linguistic coincidence hardly merits discussion, let alone proves anything. There have been multiple authoritative books written on the origins of Al-Qaeda, many of them written by journalists who are intensely critical of American foreign policy, but in the world of fantasy in which you inhabit, the very weight of evidence disproving your beliefs is proof of a cover-up.

    I'm not going to go through your list of conspiracy theories. I was present on 9/11. I watched the towers burn and fall. My wife watched the second plane impact. Do you really believe that in a world where we know what color underwear Britney Spears wears (or doesn't) that a massive government conspiracy to murder thousands of human beings from 60 different countries and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in disruptions to the world economy would go unnoticed? A conspiracy that by definition would have to include hundreds of people at a minimum and the acquiescence of governments and media organizations around the globe? And that only you and Charlie Sheen would be able to discern the truth?

    There are many different contributing factors to the rise of Islamic jihadism. Some of them are economic, some political, some cultural, and some inspired by Islamic history and law. My suggestion is you do some reading, starting with the Qu'ran. The history of the rise of Al-Qaeda In Mesopotamia and the resulting rise of ISIS have also been documented in multiple books by mainstream journalists who are in many cases critical of Western foreign policy.

    I don't know what "The Prophecy Of Oded Yinon" is, where it came from, or why it should be considered proof of anything. My guess is it's some kind of screed along the lines of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And before you jump to conclusion, I support the existence of a Jewish state within 1967 borders, but oppose the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. I support the right of Palestinians to their own democratic country.

    And just so you know, the United States imports almost no oil from the Middle East. Most of our imports come from South America and Africa. And as Daithi pointed out, the ongoing transition to natural gas (and alternative energy) means the US is increasingly energy independent.

    David - I think I've laid out the facts pretty clearly. I can lead a horse to water but I cannot make him drink. I'm not the enemy. I just believe it's possible (and necessary) to criticize the powerful without resorting to fantasy. There's enough evil in the world without us needing to make more up.

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  26. Chap,
    I am not resorting to fantasy, I don't know what happened on 9/11 but then neither do you considering so much of the official report is censored. My point is the essence of simplicity, explain how wt7 fell without impact and all of this goes away. I am a rational man if someone explains something to me in sound science i will concede, so take it away, tell me how a building can collapse without impact? Chap i never said you were the enemy, people should be allowed to ask questions, and if they disagree with the answers they should be able to say so without being labeled a lunatic.

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  27. Chap take the Chip of your shoulder. I don't do politically correct any more than I do religion so telling me ...
    "I'm also a practicing Roman Catholic."

    Means nothing to me...Anymore than some one from the local Taliban telling me they follow Islam or Wolf telling me he's a Christian...Or my daughter explaining to me all about the Jewish faith..

    I don't know who "Pierre Henry-Bunel, former agent for French military intelligence" is, if he really did work for French military intelligence, or if he even exists. My guess is, it's just some nonsense you found on the Internet.

    I'd advise you to copy/paste the name 'Pierre Henry-Bunel' into your browser and guess again...I bet you found he is a real person who was deeply involved with French military intell....And went to a military jail for handing over NATO secrets during the Kosovo conflict....(Blows your theory about him being made up clean out of the water)...

    Do you really believe that in a world where we know what color underwear Britney Spears wears (or doesn't) that a massive government conspiracy to murder thousands of human beings from 60 different countries and cause hundreds of billions of dollars in disruptions to the world economy would go unnoticed?

    Short answer is it didn't go un-noticed. Loads noticed it. The fact that a lot of Americans bought into the lies isn't my fault..

    A slightly longer answer goes like this...I grew up in a world very different to yours Chap. When I was a pup I'd turn the radio on or the TV and there would be daily news reports of terrorist bombings and shootings...I've since found you that the British Gov were (and still are) up to their necks in terrorism in the six counties. They planted bombs, ran Loyalist death squads, arranged arms to be imported from South Africa that were used to kill Catholics, Protestants and who ever else got in their way. Placed agents within the Provisionals to discredit the RM..A simple Google search of the FRU and you'll see what I'm getting at..Or the Dublin & Monaghan bombings..Bloody Sunday, Ballymurphy massacre, New Lodge Six, Glenanne Gang... Still with me Chap, I grew up in a world that was littered with state sponsored terrorism..

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  28. Chap..


    My suggestion is you do some reading, starting with the Qu'ran.
    First time I read the Qu'ran was in Camden Town in London in 1991... I then read it and talked it over several years back when I ended up living with at least 300 of the Parisian branch of the local Taliban. How many times have you read it? How many of the local Taliban have you met, interacted with, debated religious and cultural differences with? I've also read three versions of the bible back to front aswell.

    I don't know what "The Prophecy Of Oded Yinon" is, where it came from, or why it should be considered proof of anything. My guess is it's some kind of screed along the lines of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

    Again copy/paste it into your browser and read up.. It's actually that easy..

    And before you jump to conclusion, I support the existence of a Jewish state within 1967 borders, but oppose the Israeli occupation of the West Bank. I support the right of Palestinians to their own democratic country.

    Fcuk!!!! All you've done is jump to conclusions...About me and several points I have made without you checking things out..I personally support (would like to see) Palestine back to pre WW1. The period when they all basically co-existed before it got ugly....

    And just so you know, the United States imports almost no oil from the Middle East. Most of our imports come from South America and Africa. And as Daithi pointed out, the ongoing transition to natural gas (and alternative energy) means the US is increasingly energy independent.

    I think you'll find that Uncle Sam imports at least 20% of their oil & gas from the middle east. Which is more than 'almost no oil' as you claim. I've the facts here. What I said was this..." They took Sadam out because he wanted to trade in Euro's and not the green back." Very different from what you are saying I said...

    I also said "My guess is their oil & gas reserves are dwindling.".. Again kinda different to what you interpt.

    Didn't Ed ask you how you drew certain conclusions to a piece he penned.. ?

    Ed's reply to you Chap... "i think you ought to re-read what i wrote. it is precisely the opposite of what you say!"


    The history of the rise of Al-Qaeda In Mesopotamia and the resulting rise of ISIS have also been documented in multiple books by mainstream journalists who are in many cases critical of Western foreign policy.

    And who say's they are right? I've sourced two people who were deeply involved in western military intell.. (Robin Cook & Pierre).. What have done to back up your claim? You've said exactly this..

    "the resulting rise of ISIS have also been documented in multiple books by mainstream journalists "

    Basically diddly squat...

    Now Willaim Cooper had this to say about 9/11. Then William got whacked by the Feds....

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  29. Chap....A conspiracy that by definition would have to include hundreds of people at a minimum and the acquiescence of governments and media organizations around the globe? And that only you and Charlie Sheen would be able to discern the truth?

    Whats wrong with Charlie that you don't like? He speaks his mind and asks difficult quesions? What about Woody Harleson or Sean Penn...?

    WTC 7

    PENTAGON

    Whats wrong with asking questions Chap....?

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  30. There's nothing wrong with asking questions. The problem comes when you accept only the answers that confirm your pre-existing beliefs.

    I was actually thinking about how our different backgrounds might effect our views of the world. I know about FRU and the many instances of British collusion with loyalist death squads. Like many people, I've long suspected that the PIRA was steered in directions that were advantageous to England's long term strategy by agents within the Army Council, the Nutting Squad, etc. I believe that at the very least, the NI/UK authorities turned a blind eye to the Omagh bomb because it would discredit the RIRA.

    So why am I willing to accept those "conspiracies" as real and not others? I guess because there is a large body of journalism and reputable investigation that informs my decision. It's the same reason I believe a library shelf full of non-fiction books about a subject, rather than something I read on the Internet. For all its faults, I grew up in a society where official wrongdoing was usually exposed, sooner rather than later. Nixon was out of office within three years of the Watergate break-in. Congress was holding hearings about Iran/Contra within two or three years of the scheme being launched. We knew the intimate details of Clinton's extra-marital affairs because they were eventually printed in the NY Times.

    You had a very different experience growing up. The Irish media on both sides of the border, the governments of the Irish Republic and the UK, all suppressed the truth of what happened during the Troubles and in many cases continue to do so with success. My experience wasn't your experience. If I jumped to conclusions about you or your beliefs, I apologize.

    I still don't believe any of the things you've proposed. Some of them simply strain credulity, for example the idea that ISIS/L is controlled in any way by the same US government currently planning on a bombing campaign against them. 9/11 conspiracy theories are a particular red line for me for obvious reasons, but you are entitled to your beliefs. And my problems with Charlie Sheen have more to do with his history of domestic violence against women, rather than his generally ridiculed political beliefs.

    I may actually be in Belfast before too much longer on business. If you're around, I'd be happy to have a further (friendly) debate over a pint.

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  31. Chap,

    Using your logic and words...

    The Irish media on both sides of the border, the governments of the Irish Republic and the UK, all suppressed the truth of what happened during the Troubles and in many cases continue to do so with success.

    If you accept that the Irish & British media & both Governments suppressed the truth about the conflict and still are, then why can't the American media & Government be doing the same over 9/11? All I'm asking for is one valid reason. If press reports are to believed (I don't doubt them) they (press and Government in the UK) are also covering up child abuse on a massive scale...(like the Catholic church done)...Nixon got exposed because of 'Deep throat' (a whistle blower). . What did America do shortly after WW2? My guess is they took the scientists who carried out all sorts of in-humane treatment to Jews, Romas etc and brought them into the fold.. In a nutshell they (USA) employed war criminals and no one seems to talk about that..

    I believe that at the very least, the NI/UK authorities*** turned a blind eye to the Omagh bomb because it would discredit the RIRA.


    *** And the Feds. Yet you think like this...

    I still don't believe any of the things you've proposed. Some of them simply strain credulity, for example the idea that ISIS/L is controlled in any way by the same US government currently planning on a bombing campaign against them.

    So you believe one western power can work with a 'terrorist organization' then bring them to their knees but refuse to accept Uncle Sam would do the same?


    And my problems with Charlie Sheen have more to do with his history of domestic violence against women, rather than his generally ridiculed political beliefs.

    I'm not defending Charlie Sheens abuse towards women.. I'm saying what about the questions he's asking towards 9/11...What about Woody or Sean..? William Cooper?

    I didn't (and don't) have any pre-existing beliefs.. My beliefs today are based on what I have learnt myself over years of asking questions. But you sound like you have pre-existing beliefs that Uncle Sam is still fighting for 'Truth & Justice' and wont stage black flags op's on it's own people...Why doesn't Uncle Sam bomb Russia over the Ukraine? Like I said before to you, they are very gun ho over every other country who pisses them off...

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  32. Chap without labouring on about 9/11 and considering you dismissed Charlie's questions by trying to deflect what he said because of his 'domestic violence' charges. I don't know if you have watched any of the video links I put up (like Pierre from Fench military intell...who you tried to debunk)... Take time out to watch video 1 (now Dave VonKliest uses the Arthur Schopenhauer quote about truth passing through three stages to explain himself) then video 2.. Once you have digested them and understood the questions and points made.. I'll explain how IS is an American creation and why MH370 didn't crash into the Pacific Ocean but is in all probability in Diego Garica..At the minute I can't explain why the duplicate plane of MH370 was last seen in Tel Aviv airport but basically things aren't adding up in my head.. That tells me something is wrong...

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