Norman Baxter? Who’s Norman Baxter? Oh Right, That Norman Baxter!

Ed Moloney with a piece on former RUC/PSNI member Norman Baxter. It initially featured in The Broken Elbow on 3 April 2014.

That one-man argument for the disbanding of the RUC, Norman Baxter emerged from his Afghan hideout yesterday to make an appearance at Ian Paisley Jnr’s House of Commons committee at Westminster investigating the OTR controversy to make the claim that in 2007, British prime minister Tony Blair, at the request of Gerry Adams, had asked the PSNI to release two men, Gerry McGeough and Vincent McAnespie from police questioning about the attempted killing of a UDR soldier in 1981. You can read the reports here and here.

Baxter, a former Detective Chief Superintendent and the PSNI’s liaison with MI5 in his final years of service (the mind boggles!), took the line that the British were bending over backwards to appease pro-peace process republicans and that as a result IRA victims were being denied justice. On the face of it that might sound like the sort of complaint one would expect most policemen to make except that Norman Baxter who was once courted as a DUP election candidate, has a most definite Loyalist political agenda and is living proof that the ghost of D I John Nixon still walks the corridors of police headquarters at Knock, the peace process notwithstanding.

Here is a great piece that Eamonn McCann wrote for Counterpunch here in the U.S., (great except that he misspells my surname!) a couple of years ago detailing Baxter’s shady role in the Boston College subpoenas, his visceral hatred of Gerry Adams and his dubious part in helping to create a police Special Branch in Afghanistan. All fascinating stuff. Why was none of this mentioned in the reports of Baxter’s evidence to Paisley’s committee? Silly question.

February 13, 2012
Getting Gerry Adams

Norman Baxter’s Long Crusade

Norman Baxter may find policing in Kabul these days more congenial than policing in Belfast. The former RUC and PSNI Detective Chief Superintendant is one of a number of senior Northern Ireland police officers who have decided that the new, reformed force is not for them, have taken redundancy and signed up with a private firm of “security consultants” with a contract from the Pentagon to help train the new Afghan police force.
Since leaving the Police Service of Northern Ireland in 2008, Baxter has spoken and written of his anger and frustration at changes which have seemed to him to belittle the sacrifices of Royal Ulster Constabulary in the long fight against the IRA and at policies brought in under the peace process which he believes now hamper the force in its continuing fight against terrorism. A year and a half ago, Baxter joined New Century, founded and led by Belfast-born Tim Collins, a commander in the Royal Irish Rangers who became a star of the British tabloid press in 2003 for a stirring speech he is said to have delivered to troops in Kuwait on the eve of their advance into Iraq. (The only record comes from an embedded Daily Mail reporter who claims that she took verbatim notes of the desert oration.)

The inclusion in New Century of a contingent of former NI police officers, as well as British soldiers with experience in covert operations in the North, indicates that Collins’ involvement in Iraq and now in Afghanistan hasn’t occluded his interest in affairs back home. Writing in the Daily Mail a few days after the Real IRA gun attack in Co. Antrim in 2009 which left two soldiers dead, he declared:  “The emasculation of the old Royal Ulster Constabulary, once the world’s most effective anti-terrorist force, is largely to blame for this shambles…In its new guise as the PSNI, the force is so riddled with political correctness that many good old-fashioned coppers…have simply been sidelined. Nowadays, these old RUC professionals who haven’t been driven out work for MI5 as collators or clerks but take no part in operations. This is a disgrace.”
Collins’ rationale for throwing the doors of New Century open to those in the RUC/PSNI who hankered after the old days and the old ways is easily understandable. He will have anticipated that the techniques and experience which the RUC and British security services developed over 30 years combating the Provos and other paramilitary groups will have equipped them with the special skills needed to mentor Afghans training to fight the Taliban once Nato forces have left.
Baxter, a high-ranking officer who had become chief liaison officer between the police and MI5 in the North, will have been a natural. He has been joined in the upper echelons of New Century by a cluster of colleagues, including Mark Cochrane, former RUC officer in charge of covert training; David Sterritt, a 29-year RUC/PSNI veteran and specialist in recruitment and assessment of agents; Joe Napolitano, 25 years in the RUC/PSNI, retiring as a Detective Inspector running intelligence-led policing operations; Raymond Sheehan, 29 years a Special Branch agent handler; Leslie Woods, 27 years in the RUC/PSNI, with extensive Special Branch handling the selection, assessment and training of officers for covert intelligence-led operations. And many others.
Experience in the North is the single most common factor among recruits to senior positions with New Century.
New Century’s presence in Afghanistan and the involvement of veterans of the Irish conflict briefly surfaced in the mainstream British media last June when a former RUC man working for the company was killed in action in Helmand. Ex-RUC officer Ken McGonigle, 51, a father of four from Derry, died in an exchange of fire with two escaped Taliban prisoners.
Baxter had been a relatively well-known policing figure in the North for some years, regularly interviewed to provide a police view on security matters. His most prominent role had been to head the investigation of the Omagh bombing in August 1998, the most bloody attack of the Troubles. It is widely accepted now that the Omagh investigation was botched to an embarrassing degree – although there is no agreement on where blame lies. Baxter is not alone in believing that political considerations and the protection of security service “assets” North and South were major factors in the failure to bring the case to a conclusion
After leaving the PSNI in 2008, he was able to speak out with less restraint. He took a particular interest in the alleged involvement of senior Sinn Fein figures in IRA activities in the past.
The fact that the policing changes had been specifically designed to coax Sinn Fein into acceptance of the Northern State and thereby into a share of Executive power did nothing to sooth the disgruntlement of police officers resentful of reform. Baxter’s particular animus against Gerry Adams came through in a column in the Belfast Newsletter on March 30 2010, in which he urged the PSNI to launch a new investigation into the Sinn Fein leader’s alleged role in the 1972 abduction and killing of Jean McConville, the mother of 10 whose “disappeared” body was finally located on a beach in Co. Louth in 2003. He appears to have been the first figure of any note – certainly the first with a media presence and extensive police connections – to call publicly for action to subpoena video tapes held by Boston College, Massachusetts, in which two ex-IRA members claim that Adams, as a senior IRA commander in Belfast, had ordered the killing of Mrs. McConville and others of the “disappeared”.
Baxter’s intervention came within 24 hours of the publication on March 29 of “Voices From The Grave”, the book by Ed Maloney based on interviews with senior IRA figure Brendan Hughes and UVF leader and Progressive Unionist Party politician David Ervine. Both men had recently died, allowing Maloney to publish the material: he had given assurances that none of it would be used while they were alive. The same assurance had been given to more than 20 other former paramilitaries, most of them ex-IRA, who had been interviewed by Maloney and his researcher Anthony McIntyre – himself a former IRA prisoner – and the tapes lodged with Boston College.
In the book, Hughes, once a close personal friend and paramilitary comrade of Adams, told that the man who was now an internationally respected figure had orchestrated the abduction and killing of Mrs. McConville.
“Although Brendan Hughes is now dead,” wrote Baxter in the Newsletter, “his evidence, which was recorded, may provide evidence which could lead the police to build a case for criminal proceedings.” His intense personal feelings were evident in his description of a recent appearance by Adams in a Channel 4 religious programme as “sickening” and in a suggestion that Mrs. McConville may have heard herself condemned “from the lips of a demon of death”.
The level of hatred – it is not too strong a word – of Baxter and many of his colleagues at the new status of individuals they had striven to extirpate from Northern Ireland society was unconcealed. “Sinn Fein and the IRA have a record of human rights abuse that would equal some Nazi units in the Second World War, and yet they currently wear the duplicitous clothes of human rights defenders with such ease.”
The pursuit of Adams and others will be seen by Baxter and his colleagues as unfinished business.
Baxter will have been well aware that a taped record of a conversation with a man who had since died is no basis for charging a senior political figure – or anyone – with murder. In the Newsletter, he urged Mrs. McConville’s family to try instead, or as well, to bring civil proceedings – where the standard of proof is less daunting than in a criminal case. Referring to Mrs. McConville’s daughter, he made a public appeal: “Helen McKendry should not be left in isolation to seek justice for her mother through civil proceedings. Civic society and democratic politicians should come together in a campaign to financially and morally support the McConville family.”
His bitter experience heading the Omagh investigation might have put the option of civil proceedings in Baxter’s mind. He had come to believe that shadowy forces had contrived to thwart his efforts.

At Omagh library in February 2006, Sam Kinkaid, the most senior detective in the North, told a meeting of relatives of the victims that MI5 had known months in advance that a bomb attack was planned for either Omagh or Derry, that one of those involved was an Omagh man whose name was known and that the bombers would use a Vauxhall Cavalier. MI5 passed this information to the gardai in the South, he went on – but not to the PSNI in the North. Baxter was seated alongside Kinkaid as he spoke, nodding vigorously. Kinkaid resigned from the PSNI  the following morning.
Meanwhile, the Garda Special Branch had been running an informer who supplied information about a series of planned cross-border bomb raids by the Real IRA. Gardai decided to let a number of bombs through so as not to compromise the identity of the informer. Police in the North were not told about this. So there were no special security measures in place in or around Omagh when the bomb in a Vauxhall Cavalier was parked in Market Street on August 15, 1998.
Even after the explosion, with 29 people dead, none of this information was passed to Baxter’s investigation either.
The only person eventually charged with the Omagh atrocity was Sean Hoey, an electrician from south Armagh. He was acquitted in November 2009. The trial judge, Mr. Justice Weir, then launched a scathing attack on the investigation, accusing the police of “a slapdash approach” and condemning two named officers for “reprehensible” behaviour.
Remarkably, however, none of the relatives of the victims interviewed afterwards blamed Baxter or the men under him. Victor Barker, whose 12-year-old son James had perished in the blast, placed the blame much higher: “It is the appalling inefficiency of (Chief Constable) Sir Ronnie Flanagan that has meant that Chief Superintendant Baxter has not been able to secure a conviction”.
Many of the families were at one with Baxter in believing that the investigation had systematically been stymied by senior figures in policing and politics who had reason to be nervous about the full facts emerging and whose political agenda may have taken precedence over the safety of citizens and the pursuit of the perpetrators.
A number of families took Baxter’s advice and initiated a civil case for compensation against four men they believed had been involved in the bombing. In 2009, the four were found to have been responsible.  Two were cleared on appeal. But the families were able to express some frugal satisfaction that at least they’d seen somebody held publicly accountable for the devastation which had befallen them.
It is hardly fanciful to trace Baxter’s loud advocacy of civil proceedings against Adams back to the Omagh experience which had confirmed his belief that “the world’s most effective anti-terrorist force” had been prevented from winning its war against the IRA by the machinations of people with no stomach for the fight. Getting Adams now, whether by civil or criminal proceedings, was a part of getting even.
It was against this background that the British authorities launched legal action to recover the Boston tapes. The suggestion came from the Historical Enquiries Team, established in 2006 to re-examine more than 3,000 unsolved cases of Troubles-related murder. The 100-strong team included Mike Wilkins, head of the Special Branch in Warwickshire in England until seconded to the HET in 2006. He had become HET chief investigations officer by the time he left in September 2010 – to join Baxter as training coordinator for the Afghan project. This was six months after Baxter’s call in the Newsletter for a new police investigation into the McConville case. The interconnections between these events have, inevitably, provided fodder for fevered speculation in Republican circles and on blogs and websites over recent months.
To the dismay of Maloney and McIntyre, Boston College decided not to contest a lower-court order to hand the tapes over. The archive is now in the custody of the court while Maloney and McIntyre continue legal action to try to prevent the material being passed on to the PSNI. It is a matter of speculation what the implication will be for Adams and others who have left paramilitarism behind if the tapes are handed over.
As he looks back on more than 30 frustrating years policing in the North, even as he assumes his new and more wide-ranging – and enormously more lucrative, one imagines - role in the global war on terror, Baxter may take grim satisfaction from the fact that he has some of his old enemies still in his sights.  He may be cheered, too, by the thought that he won’t be confronted by the same defeatist attitudes and dark maneuvers in the freewheeling fight in Afghanistan as he faced in the constrained circumstances of Northern Ireland, that this time the good guys will get to win. Of course, he could be wrong about that.
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  1. There was nothing 'botched' about Omagh. Strange that not a cop or Brit was injured, might be something to do with the fact they were told where the bomb was, put the people into its path and stayed well clear themselves. Omagh was manipulated from the get-go and used to discredit the remnants of the Provisional IRA and end the armed struggle

  2. I agree with Sean ,Omagh was no disaster it was an outstanding success, for the spooks that is,and it seems to have gone exactly as according to plan.quisling $inn £eind have used Omagh to distance themselves as far away from any form of militant resistance as is possible to the point that grovelling before Liz the brit will now become common place ,and you can bet your fucking arse that they will implement the welfare benefit cut after the elections.

  3. Lads you are both correct. Sinn Fein leaders in the aftermath of the Omagh bombing allowed the nonsense peddled by the media and the Brits to go unchallanged. The common theme was that this bombing was planned to restart the war with maximum fatalities and destroy the "peace process". The world was led to believe that the IRA picked a Catholic Church holiday (15th August) to plant a no warning car bomb in a nationalist town. Why not Ballymena, Portadown, Lisburn or the Shankill road ? The RUC knew the bomb was coming, they knew the location it was to be planted and they knew that Omagh would be full of Catholics out and about on the Church holiday. They moved the crowd towards the bomb to maximise the death toll. They used the simple excuse that the bombers deliberately gave the wrong location. No security forces killed or injured and the nationalist population turned against the IRA. Full marks MI5 on a job well done and your pals in Sinn Fein remain silent. The war ended in Omagh on that day.

  4. It's like this Marty, they admitted to the inquest that a third bomb warning was received from the Samaritans stating that the bomb was '300 yards down the town from the Courthouse'. When asked what was done with the information the Desk Sergeant on duty told the inquest he 'turned off his computer and told no-one'. That's a fact because an inquest under British law is restricted to establishing facts and facts alone - were it not fact it could not have been included. Stop right there, he turned off his computer and told no-one where the bomb was? Eh? That's where the bomb went off, they could have prevented the bloodbath on the day with that single piece of information alone never mind the fact they could have stopped it long beforehand. Plain to be seen when he passed on the location of the bomb he was told by higher authority (likely Special Branch working through British Intelligence) to shut it. RUC apologist Ruth Dudley Edwards has the same piece of shit on the ground shortly after comforting the dying. How convenient, pure RUC propaganda - the cover story to cover the lie. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that a promotion was his reward. Promotion for failing to pass on information that could have alleviated the bloodbath? Tells you all you need to know. And I'm sure you know all about good old Dave who used to drink about Joe's bar in Bundoran. He warned them that Omagh was gonna be hit over 3 months beforehand. They had GPRS satellite surveillance on the Cavalier, they were tracking it on the day. They had their phones, 'the bricks were in the wall', they had everything. As if they didn't know where that bomb was. They herded the people into it to cause maximum carnage and the result was political violence being discredited as never before and the GFA secured. Because the renegade element was getting support and demonstrating a capacity to mount a credible armed struggle. And Volunteers were getting restless. Omagh put paid to that and even the families now realise it. Like Finucane it will never be properly investigated because any inquiry would demonstrate the true nature of Britain's callous rule in Ireland. Out to fuck with them, they've no place in this country after all they've done amongst which this is probably the worst. They allowed a bus-load of children from Buncrana into a security alert despite previous bombings in Banbridge, Moira and Portadown. There's just too much to believe it was all just accidental. 'Cui bono' as someone said on another thread... Who gains? The only one's to gain were the Brits who ended the IRA's long armed struggle on that sunny afternoon in Omagh. That was the end of it and it was planned that way, I don't doubt it for a second and thought so at the time. The information to come out since only strengthens that belief and as I said even the families now realise the same. I've been told Lawrence Rush had papers relating to the whole thing so it's no wonder they're blocking an inquiry. Some day though the truth will out, maybe then people will realise that the stinking British have no place on this country, murdering scum

  5. Sean a cara when up to an estimated 500.000 people were needlessly burnt to death in the Dresden firebombing,do you think a handful of Paddies would register on the moral compass of those infest the corridors of power in London,the same mindset prevails from the time of longshanks and that is "might is right"it can be seen in whats left of Iraq and Libya today. quisling $inn £eind knew they were getting into bed with the lowest of the low and as the old saying goes the have now risen with fleas,those disgusting bastards have bought their way into the favour of "her gracious majesties government by showing that they to are as callous re peoples lives,by allowing their comrades to die a horrible death on hunger strike,and if truth be told many other volunteers may have died through their treachery we may never know ,one thing is for sure they have not fooled all the people and the numbers of those who now see them as the scumbags they really are are growing by the day .Adams like Baxter are really the two sides of the one coin imo both bastards and dealers in death ..

  6. Their manipulation of the Hungerstrikers is undeniable, heard a great panel discussion was had in Dublin on this yesterday that amounted to a damning indictment of the so-called kitchen cabinet... Hopefully there'll be a video of it up shortly. People are waking up to the truth. My Dad was adamant the Hungerstrikers died to get Adams and McGuinness into positions of power long ago and it looks like he was right. 55 Hours needs produced as a pamphlet or something and spread far and wide.

    In terms of the death of other Volunteers as a result of treachery shoot-to-kill in East Tyrone needs closely examined I feel. The overarching position of Northern Command when East Tyrone was receiving hit after hit left right and centre might explain the heavy casualties suffered by the army from the mid-to-late 1980s through to the ceasefire. From what I've heard Liam Ryan done the intelligence ahead of Loughall and swore the leak did not come from the East Tyrone Brigade. The operation was compartmentalised for security purposes but the resources the British threw at Loughall suggest they had the fine detail well beforehand. Somebody in the leadership was touting, there were higher touts than Scap and Donaldson.

    When we look at the Hungerstrikes, shoot-to-kill in Tyrone and the Omagh bombing we can start to get an idea of just how dirty this war actually was and the treachery involved from within the republican movement itself. One can't help but feel that when the Adamsite cabal ascended to a position of total control that all of the above became possible. I recall a British Intelligence report being cited by Peter Taylor saying that they needed to get a deal done with this leadership because another of its sort might not come again for a long time....

  7. When I think of Loughall, Drumnakilly, Clonoe and the like it strengthens my belief in something myself and Anthony discussed 14-15 odd years ago about the British 'moulding a leadership'. They were taking out the fighters while leaving the talkers. But what I've also come to accept, hard as it is to do so, is that elements within the republican leadership were likely assisting with the targeting of those they knew would be more difficult to bring along. Is that why Tyrone, a bastion of resistance to British occupation for centuries, was singled out for the horrors of shoot-to-kill? It's something that needs examined in my lowly opinion

  8. Sean I once again agree with you a cara , the work Carrie has put into 55 hours is to important to be allowed to drift of,lost in the haze of positions re the hunger strike and the subsequent betrayal of those brave men,it should indeed be published in some form of pamphlet,it is without doubt a cara that Scap was superseded by someone higher up in the movement ,I contend that tout is Mc Guinnes aka the fisherman.

  9. Sean+Marty

    why some 'one' higher? Brits had a very long time to play themselves with those around their 'blued-eyed' boys Adams and McGuinness. At the time of the hunger-strikes it was said the quantity and quality of recruits to the IRA was incredible. All that meant was more money for Scap and co. who were stacking the much talked about conveyor belt into the torture centres and jails. It must have been like a huge jobs announcement on the news to Scap/Donaldson Adams and the rest, and of course the RUC-SB lol

    Marty is off to dine with her maj and get a wee pat on the head. He is out of quarantine and his pet-passport has been approved. He will attend other Royal functions too, in the queens handbag like a wee Chihuahua of course!

    Is there no line in the sand too far for republicans to stomach? Surely they are not awaiting SF to see the error of its ways still.

  10. I reckon after the elections and some more apologising from Decciebroy Kearney, the welfare cuts will be implemented and the final line in the sand Larry a cara the taking of seats in Westminster will follow shortly after ,

  11. Of course not Larry, the republican base is being reorganised and moving on. My hope is the One Ireland-One Vote campaign of the Societies can harness the disillusionment that pervades all strata of Irish society at present, not only in republican circles but across the board

  12. I remember I was in Belfast city centre with a friend, when another mutual friend of ours came up to us and told us that a car bomb had went off in Omagh and it seemed that people had been killed in it. We dandered about getting this and that and then I went home. It was only then when I seen the news coverage that I realised that it was such a huge tragedy. I remember watching the news with disbelief, ten, sixteen, twenty and then, at least twenty eight people dead. I was horrified. After a few days, I came to the same conclusion as Sean Bres, how come (if they were trying to clear the area, even around the court house), no Brits or cops were injured in it? I'm not for one second blaming the guy or guys who planted it. IMO, M15 and the SB's fingerprints are all over it. And I think it's also right that there was/are higher touts than Scap, only they haven't been "outed" yet and probably never will. Omagh gave Adams his chance to unequivocally condemn something without having to qualify it. Sean Bres, I know a bit about (I think) giving warnings and I think the reason the IRA would phone the Samaritans was to make sure that they (IRA) couldn't be contradicted ie time and place, is that right?

  13. I'd say that's the reason the Samaritans were phoned yes, and another call was made to UTV for the same reason. In total there were three warnings but the third, and most important in that it accurately stated where the bomb was located, is the one we should examine and the one that indicates a conspiracy was in play. The RUC admitted at the inquest they had received a third warning that wasn't passed on. They admitted this warning states the bomb was 'three hundred yards down the town from the courthouse'. The desk sergeant in question who made the admissions was further asked what he done with the warning to which he replied he 'turned off his computer and told no-one'. Why? It's not in the remit of a British inquest to ask or determine this as they are legally restricted to establishing facts as opposed to investigating motive or reason - this is a direct response to the need to control information in relation to their dirty war in Ireland. So he wasn't asked why.
    They were told from two different intelligence sources that Omagh was in the cross-hairs. Dave Rupert, the scumbag who gave evidence against Mickey McKevitt, warned them initially but a warning was also given 10 days beforehand that Omagh was to be hit. When this emerged MI5 were forced to concede this but stated they ignored the warning as a 'rogue Special Branch call'. A week before the bomb another agent again gave them the location of the hay-shed in Louth where the bomb was under construction and told them a major attack was being planned for 15th August. In the last year or two RUC have admitted they'd cracked the phones of the bombing team and were monitoring them on the day of the attack. MI5 has also recently admitted that they had the Cavalier under GPRS surveillance but have refused to state whether this surveillance was live on the day or not.
    Put all that together and you have to question the initial cover story that police were caught by surprise and assumed this was a hoax - especially when you factor in the unit involved had previously mounted similar-style bombing operations in other market towns in the weeks and months preceding Omagh. They knew it was coming and they knew where it was placed. I've been told that some people further away from the bomb, as in not on the courthouse side, were evacuated. Why? If it was safe closer to the courthouse then why were they evacuated? Because it wasn't safe were they where. Someone knew damn well.
    All of the above bar the what I said at the end is a matter of public record and has already been admitted to by the security forces

  14. Sean Bres

    I think in relation to the mobile phones it was stated GCHQ had transcripts of the conversation that had been routinely intercepted but not analysed until a few weeks later as a matter of procedure.

    But the rest of what you are saying makes total sense. Particularly how were no security force members killed in that blast evacuating the area if they were unaware of the exact location of the device themselves?

  15. If the security services were complicit in someway with Omagh, then given how effective it was in snuffing out the Real IRA legitimacy in the eyes of many, why havent we seen a repeat of it? There have been attempted bombings since, mostly duds that are attributed to security services tampering too. Remember the security services effectiveness was not in striking the minute it had info on a particular action, they played the long game, its likely Omagh was oversight in this respect. Although the case made is a titillating read.

  16. We haven't seen a repeat because there has been no need. The armed struggle was effectively over that day and has never been successfully restarted. Titillating as it well may be it's all established fact and admitted to by the parties concerned, I'm just presenting the information

  17. Sean ive no doubt all you said is fact, but just what those facts imply is where we differ, its a fair difference too. I just cant get past the fact the securocrats are spineless bastards who would never want to be caught carrying the can on something like this if it got out, and I think there is too many moving parts for it to be a sucessful plan. Alot is also is predicated on the fact the Samiritans getting the most detailed description of the bombs actual place and not the police, this couldnt of been anticipated. As you have said RIRA planted several bombs before this one, which were probably also known about in advance given how comprimised they were, I would think the security services banked on this one going off without such a loss of life as before.No doubt the aftermath was milked for all its political potential too.

  18. Fair enough but if your man admitted to receiving the warning in question and admitted he failed to pass it on to whoever was in command surely we should wonder why?

  19. DaithiD

    too many moving parts never prevented Dublin/Monaghan.

    Omagh was the 9/11 of norn iron and led to political framing both sides of the border which was the real death knell for any opposition to the 'peace process'.

  20. its not pleasant reading but i got a lot from comments here. ur right there joe reid a great day for those bastards underground in palace barracks. there are a few groups in ireland that give me some hope seen as our old party have gone completely wanky. one of these groups is the common law society, i get the odd email of them and i recommend checking them out, they definitely give me a bit of encouragement. its good to get away from the party politics side of things and look at things differently. here is a quote from the most recent email i got from them. they recommend posting it in as many places as possible, i hope yous get to read it in full.

    "The People now know that when the State was fashioned, it was nothing more than a name change over the door, from the Crown to the State, and that the State simply adopted all the LAWS that the Crown had left in place.

    The Problem now facing the State … is that People now know most if not all of the stuff outlined above (check out their latest statement to see what they referring to - grouch). The State are facing into the People not capitulating to them any longer. The People are engaging the Banks and asking them some very serious questions in relation to contract law, and on securitization. The People are now issuing lawful liens and orders upon the Banks employees, officers and representatives for damages incurred. The People are no longer just allowing receivers, liquidators and/or examiners to simply march in on some quazi authority and kick them out onto the street. The People are slowly but surely organising themselves, and standing down the sheriffs and their henchmen. The People are rapidly moving away from employing legal professionals to represent their interests in all Courts (and rightly so). The People are learning and educating themselves about the Law, and standing their own ground in Court and on the land LAWFULLY.

    This to me is a sign that the People are beginning to awaken from the long slumber of being lorded over by the State. The State that has since its inception, facilitated and participated in the rape, pillage, plunder and murder of the People of this Island. A State that has since its inception, and under the provisions of the so-called “Free State Constitution”, simply carried over and continued using the legal system of the Crown (English Law). Both its legislation and modus operandi were adopted by the State in totality. This perhaps is what we should refer to as the “An Irish Solution to an Irish Problem” … or to say it correctly it is “the Crowns Solution to the Irish Problem”. If the People of this Island won’t accept the Crown, then they might accept the rebrand of the Crown, called the State?"

    i hope some of u tpqers check these common law people out. i for one think i hav found something to put my energy into instead of ranting about the likes of pubehead mcguinness who will be sucking pickled onions over beyond with that shower of german transylvanian descendents of dracula soon. elizabeth saxe coburg gotha and philip schleiswig holstein soderberg von glucksburg. british my arse, they're descendents of dracula and still suck blood. germanic/transylvanians out. no wonder they all love the irish now, they have all our resources (queen beatrix of royal dutch shell and rothschild) and we will be in commonwealth soon. anyway, im ranting.

  21. Sean Bres, that last point admittedly doesn’t fit with my interpretation of events, it seems astounding. Is there anything you could recommend reading-wise that deals with that point? I cant think of what context that could explainable. Thanks in advance.

    Larry , Robert Nairac (probably) plus Mid-Ulster UVF is much more deniable and less complicated than something including every major branch of the security forces. Although as shown in the first paragraph, I have some reading to do to understand some points more.

  22. Grouch

    Good stuff. AND yer 100% bout Commonwealth. It has been debated in Westminster already. Marty and Gerry have edged people out and with the Western media etc..... it's just over the horizon. Like the odd knighthood or swiss bank account.

    Irish republicanism is a fucking disgrace!!

  23. larry - lord adams, earl mountguinness and ladylou mcdonalds, what a shower of commonwealth cun*s! i know ur pissed off with republicanism a cara, but u shud see the gaelic groucho marxist john lennonist sociable republic we have going here in saordonia, it rocks bro and everyone is in top form most of the time. and i wasnt joking about those bastards who murdered my friend lady di being descendents of dracula. its a crazy world. she was going to speak up for palestinians before they killed her. God bless her.

  24. Grouch

    Lady Di was trying to build a wee nest in the Rottweiler's kennel. She could have taken the deck of cards down with an Arab bambino lol

    McGuinness Adams and Shame Fein are really surplus to requirements now. All they seem to have in their political armoury is trashing republican/nationalist history and martyrs further and further for nothing more than the next photo op'. There was never any need for it in my book.

  25. Daithi the third bomb warning was admitted to in the inquest, went unreported until Nuala O'Loan began looking into the case. A lot came out in those early days - too much I'd say. Because it was as plain as day she was told by those in the corridors of power in Whitehall to drop the case, probably with an or else added in and a timely alluding to Rosemary Nelson's fate. Needless to say it worked and the case has practically vanished from the historical record. But as an Omagh man who had two friend blew to pieces in that bombing this stuff doesn't just vanish from memory as easily. I believe what I've described as the happenings that day to be the truth and am one hundred percent certain that the information I've passed on here is fact