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This is not a case of censorship. We do not question the right of creationists to hold or expound their views, to write pamphlets and books, hold meetings, or set up websites; nor would we for our part demand to distribute articles on the scientific evidence of the age of the Earth in church halls. But we profoundly disagree with any suggestion that creationist views should be given space in publicly-funded museums or visitor centres that explain natural history, or in school science lessons or science textbooks Geological Society

It was with a lame parry of criticism, thrust its way for including aspects of creationism at its newly opened Interpretive Centre on the Giant’s Causeway, that the National Trust sought to defend its howler of a decision. To treat seriously, rather than something for display in the myths and legends section of some public project, a narrative that holds the world to be around 6000 years old is as daft as Young Earth Creationism itself. This rubbish has no claim to a run on the same track as geological science or evolutionary biology both of which trace the Cambrian explosion to about 530 million years ago, long, long, long ... ad infinitum before the 6000 life span that a former Northern Ireland culture minister ascribes to the planet. Run it as part of a circus by all means where its advocates would be indistinguishable from the honest clowns but never as a component of an educational facility.

The Causeway is a Unesco World Heritage Site with over around 650,000 visitors annually. It is meant to be a prestigious operation laying claim to serious educational and cultural attributes. It should not be put in the stocks to invite rotten fruit and offal to be thrown at it face-on because of crank creationism. £18.5 million pumped out so that modern dinosaurs can claim some sort of privilege for their antediluvian religious views.

The interactive exhibition in question includes an audio package re-enacting debates between historic figures, who argued over the origins of the Causeway, as well as their contrasting biblical and scientific beliefs on the origins of the planet.

The National Trust states ‘in this exhibit we also reference the fact that Creationists today have a different understanding from that of mainstream science.’ An understanding? A fundamental lack of understanding is more surely in order. A profound ignorance is the driving force.  

The Trust fumbling for something credible to say meekly stated that it had only acknowledged the existence of such views. But why should it have? It can hardly claim that their existence is something we are not already aware of.  No acknowledgement of the Flat Earth Society which is as plausible as Young Earth Creationism. The trust did not merely acknowledge hare-brained views; it elevated them onto an epistemological plateau where they simply had no place. Take the following from a National Trust spokesman:

We reflect, in a small part of the exhibition, that the Causeway played a role in the historic debate about the formation of the earth, and that for some people this debate continues today. The National Trust fully supports the scientific explanation for the creation of the stones 60 million years ago. We would encourage people to come along, view the interpretation and judge for themselves.

If it fully supports the ‘scientific explanation’ why then bother to reference bunkum like YEC? Well, the National Trust said it wanted to "reflect and respect" the existence of views that oppose mainstream science. That is like the recent EuroScience Open Forum in Dublin inviting witchdoctors to perform a rain dance. That type of thing might have had its place at the earlier Eucharistic Congress hosted in the same city on the basis of respect for a diversity of make believe perspectives. But not in a centre for science.

The National Trust fails to address the question of why it acknowledged YEC positions in preference to other equally ridiculous claims. And what is there for people to ‘judge for themselves’? That it might just be plausible that a flying spaghetti monster noodled us all up in a big frying pan that he cooked over the sun?

But this is where it gets really interesting. Wallace Thompson of the Caleb Foundation, a crackpot creationist cartel, while welcoming the inclusion of its nonsense could be found happily ‘dumping on the National Trust from a great height.’Although the Trust blandly stated that it had liaised with a number of bodies in the planning stage of the new centre, Thompson placed a significantly different stress on his group’s influence with the Trust:

we have worked closely with the National Trust over many months with a view to ensuring that the new Causeway Visitor Centre includes an acknowledgement both of the legitimacy of the creationist position ... we have therefore been engaged in detailed and constructive discussions with the Trust in order to secure the outcome we have today ... We want to thank senior National Trust officials who have worked closely with us over a prolonged period, and we are pleased that this constructive engagement has helped to bring about such a positive result.

So, the Trust did not generously reach out in a spirit of diversity and intellectual pluralism but allowed itself to buckle under creationist lobbying, something noted as worrying by geologist Dr Andrew Kerr: ‘the most concerning thing is that it is an organisation like the National Trust have given into pressure from the lunatic fringe, and their scientifically illiterate political supporters.’ In similar vein evolutionary biologist Jerry Coyne asserted that, 'make no mistake about it, this is a sop to creationists, lobbied for by creationists, and has nothing to do with giving an informative view of the Causeway.'

The ease with which the Trust responded to Caleb is ominous for the very reasons stated by Wallace Thompson: ‘This is, as far as we are aware, a first for the National Trust anywhere in the UK, and it sets a precedent for others to follow.’

So there it is: the religious insanity of the North of Ireland, which up until a few years ago was led by a theocrat, is now up for export elsewhere. The causeway risks being internationally renowned less for its giants of mythology and more for the intellectual pygmies trying to walk in their footsteps. None it it was the evolutionary outworking of logic but rather a stupid act of creation by the not to be trusted National Trust.

23 comments:

  1. The crationist movement as more and and more influence in our society. It's says a lot about our time. But what it says is not very good. In Canada we are now govern by a conservative party crowded by creationists. We have a joke in Canada: When a member of the conservative party watches the Flinstones on TV, he thinks he is watching a documentary.

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  2. This saddens me greatly to know that there are people that are so fuckin stupid they are actually allowing, never mind advocating for creationism to be treated as if it's really relevant to the reality of the world we live in.
    Where the hell do these weirdos get off trying to push their delusions?

    Fuck I hate people so much !

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  3. André,

    like that about the Flintstones! believing the earth is 6000 years old is like saying it takes 2 seconds to get from Sydney to London by boat.

    Aine,

    I know the feeling! It makes it so easy to understand Mencken: "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." !!!

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  4. awesome quote I HAVE to remember that one!

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  5. as a counterbalance to the heresy of creationism i am establishing a new group which challenges the folly of creationism.

    my group will be called:
    the holy knights of st. colombanus's anus,

    and our first operation is to invade the giants causeway and watch dinosaur films while mooning at the ass who inflicted this embarassment upon us.

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  6. the knights of st. colombanus's anus will not tolerate this heresy any longer, we will rise and strike the infidels down like mighty bugs.

    time to consign all religions to the area of mythology - fuckin power-hungry despotic cretins have murdered, raped, looted, lied and destroyed more human life than 100 times the years nelson proclaims the world has been in existence.

    up the rebels.

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  7. Mackers,
    I don't get this, talk about much ado about nothing.
    So what if people want to believe this! hardly earth shattering.
    If these creationists are so weird and so insane, why are people so bothered about what they say?
    On an annoyance scale, I doubt with most people this would even register.
    Whatever drove Mencken to make one of his least likeable quotes, I'm sure it wasn't stuff like this.

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  8. Vintage Hodgie, your alive and well, so.

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  9. Nuala,

    it is because they are so weird that a wide range of people are concerned. It has even prompted attention in the States and Europe.

    The US has a history with this type of thing - the cultural wars there are fought out on a daily basis. Creationists have been trying (even predating the Scopes trial of 1925) to ruin a robust education system with this rubbish, When they fail as Young Earthers, they try to disguise it as Intelligent Design.

    In the North if that lot got their way the park swings would once again be chained up on Sundays. Some of these people are or have been executive ministers. That has astounded people - that people who expect to be taken seriously believe such nonsense.

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  10. Nuala,

    forgot to mention Mencken. It probably was this type of nonsense that produced the Mencken quote. He covered the Scopes trial for the Baltimore Sun, despised the creationists, appears as a fictionalised character in Inherit The Wind and then wrote a book about it - A Religious Orgy in Tennessee: A Reporter's Account of the Scopes Monkey Trial. I am not certain that the quote applied to the issue but given that he despised the creationists I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it were.

    Hodgie,

    usual dose of healthy sceptical wit from you. Laughed at that

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  11. no surprise that one of the champions for this bollix was trying to put a gloss on that crowd of bigots dancing outside the Catholic church on Donegal Street over the 12th - Nelson McCausland

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  12. AM,

    Just out of interest, what is it about 'creationism' that you dislike?

    Is it that most of the people in the world believe in a Creator, or is it merely those who believe that the earth is not as old as you think it is?

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  13. John,

    the second. There are countless believers who know the earth is not 6000 years old.

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  14. Shameful and embarrassing for the National Trust and Ireland. Just awful.

    By the way - get your nomenclature right. I think you'll find the correct terminology is the Shites of Colombanus.

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  15. AM,

    'the second. There are countless believers who know the earth is not 6000 years old.'

    Don't you mean who BELIEVE the world is over 6,000 old? Surely it has to be a matter of faith either way.

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  16. John,

    I didn't mean 'believe' but I am happy enough to use that term.

    Beliefs sustained by hard evidence constitute 'knowledge' (hence the 'knowing') and beliefs not sustained by much other than the belief itself is not knowledge.

    To suggest, for example, it is a matter of faith either way on whether the US is six inches from Ireland, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, is the weakest of propositions.

    Yet that type of logic is presented by the National Trust as part of a debate. There is no debate on that matter. Who wants to spend time debating whether six inches is what separates Ireland from the US?

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  17. AM,

    ‘I didn't mean 'believe' but I am happy enough to use that term.’

    It is really the only one that can be used as you hold to an old earth on ‘faith alone’. Even faith has to have ‘evidence’ but it is evidence that in this case cannot be verified.

    ‘Beliefs sustained by hard evidence constitute 'knowledge' (hence the 'knowing') and beliefs not sustained by much other than the belief itself is not knowledge.’

    The highest form of certainty is metaphysical certainty, such as we have of the existence of God. That is unassailable. All supposed knowledge that is obtained from the experimental sciences will never be more than hypothetical knowledge sustained by faith..

    The problem that you have is that you are not impartial. You require millions or billions of years because you reject a Creator. You think by pushing the question back it will somehow mean that you can dispense with a Creator.

    Others don’t have the same need to push for an old earth so are quite happy to accept the accounts given in Genesis.

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  18. John

    ‘you hold to an old earth on 'faith alone'. Even faith has to have 'evidence' but it is evidence that in this case cannot be verified.’

    Bunkum but hardly surprising. It can’t be verified that the earth is more than 6000 years old? You are leg pulling now. An intelligent guy like yourself doesn’t believe that for one minute. It is like saying Everest is 2 inches high.

    ‘The highest form of certainty is metaphysical certainty, such as we have of the existence of God. That is unassailable.’

    Falling back on the auld higgledy-piggledy!

    ‘You require millions or billions of years because you reject a Creator.’

    It would have some merit were it not for the fact that so many Christians believe in the billions of years perspective – that because they reject a creator?

    ‘Others don't have the same need to push for an old earth so are quite happy to accept the accounts given in Genesis.’

    LOL talking snakes and all!

    John, Nelson McCausland and Edwin Poots will be signing you up if you are not careful. They might even think you are serious rather than having a bit of fun.

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  19. The earth obviously being older than 6,000 years but believing in creationism is no more absurd in the 21st century than believing in an invisible man up in the clouds who no one has ever seen yet incites a fear in some that he could strike them down at any second. Put him on the list with elves and leprechauns.

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  20. Eire 1996,

    not much wrong with that. But we were either designed by a creator or not. And we make our choices on what to believe. Science for example does not disprove a god. It merely can find nothing to demonstrate the existence of one. (Intelligent Design, religion that tried to bluff it our as science, was soon proved fraudulent.) So that allows some room for people to think there may be a creator behind it.

    What sceince can disprove beyond any doubt is that the earth is older than a few thousand years as surely as it can prove that the earth goes around the sun.

    So while there is no intelligent reason to believe the earth is young, there is space to have an intelligent belief about the existence of god. This is why I think the best advocates for a creator are quite able to accomodate science.

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