Talking Brownie

In the wake of the killing of PSNI constable Ronan Kerr, Sinn Fein president Gerry Adams made an offer to talk to armed republicans. Expressing horror – in a fashion that would leave the uninitiated thinking that cop-killing is a thought that never crossed the old caudillo’s mind – at the death of Ronan Kerr, he has offered to engage with those who continue to be governed by the logic he and his colleagues did so much to spawn. Shuffle and shimmy as much as the Provisionals might the ideology of physical force championed by them is the replicator that has produced the mindset for today’s actions.

Is Adams serious with his offer or just playing to a gallery south of the border where he is now a TD? It is foolhardy to assert that armed republicans should not be talked to. The dangers inherent in allowing them to grow more self-referential than they already are through strategies of isolation and marginalisation should be self evident. They are not from some other world which marches to the beat of a different drum we ourselves have never heard. Those who once did what they are doing now can hardly feign unfamiliarity. They live in a world that the current Sinn Fein leadership and the rest of us fashioned.

Few captured this better than the blogger Ardoyne Republican who in his ruminations on the Omagh killing succinctly pointed out:

those who ordered and carried it out were following the same rules of engagement which the Provies followed. They abide by the same Army Constitution as all those Volunteers did in the past, they carry-out similar operations which the Provisionals did before them and their goal is the same. There was no ‘Good Old IRA’, they all existed for the same reason all the other IRAs’ did in the past. To end British rule in Ireland and they did and do use every means at their disposal.
There is no reason that I can think of why armed republicanism might be considered the way to proceed. But to pretend that those within it are something we were not is ludicrous. We are in their genes. If we provided the template for killing Ronan Kerr it is only through a shambolic pretence that we can insist that there is a Chinese wall between we who provided the template and those who continue to use it to such brutal effect.

Adams of course will be told this if he sits down with armed republicans disinclined to listening to a lecture on ‘do as we say not as we do.’ Given past form his idea of dialogue would amount to little more than a monologue in which he would harangue and they would witness; usual hectoring and bullying. The chances of that producing the slightest evolution in thinking away from their current perspective is zilch. And given his foul tackle from behind on Eirigi it seems unlikely that he has the slightest interest in doing something with any shade of ‘oppositional republicanism’ other than goading it.

The Adams gambit seems little more than a stunt; an appeal to a better off section of the twenty six county electorate which he hopes will be sufficiently stupefied into erasing from their memories that under his leadership there were about 300 Northern cops killed compared to the two so far claimed by today’s armed republicans.

Yet it is progress of a sort. That Adams wants to speak to armed republicans in a different tone from that used when his movement spoke to Joe O’Connor earns him at least one Brownie point.

54 comments:

  1. URBAN DICK BAGGOT SPEWS ON HIS QUEEN'S VISIT TO IRELAND http://bit.ly/DICKbaggot

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  2. I think this is the bearded on playing to the gallery,in his role as father of the nation, wannabe ! ie, I have the experience and wisdom,I have led my people away from violence,I am the new John Hume, I,m an all round good guy who,ll do anything for peace, just a pity he,s a two faced f##king treacherous lying git,whos ego is almost as big as his mouth, as stated this man carries as much if not more of the responsibility for the continuing violence as anyone in the dissident camp, he and Paisley made sure an honourable compromise in the 70,s failed ,purely because they wouldnt have gained from it personally,condemming thousands more to suffer in the ensueing years,so its not hard to see why militant republicans are willing to carry on after all Adams did exactly the same.

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  3. Mackers thanks for your kind words about my recent blog posts...

    They weren't easy to write given the sensitivity involved for the Kerr Family etc. However, I do think it's important for all Irish Republicans to consider the reality behind armed actions and the possibility of unarmed actions in pursuit of our goal chara.

    Adams, McGuinness helped create the mindset for Kerr's killing. Of that there is no doubt! And their words of today provide no help or encouragement to those who see no alternative to armed attacks against the British State!

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  4. i have information on the joe oconnor murder , will gerry come to the psni station with me to id these people even though isaw him talking to one of them two weeks ago?

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  5. "Gerry Adams noted the irony that the first public speech he made since the Ard Comhairle meeting, was to commemorate an attack on the RUC barracks in Brookeborough on January 1st, 1957. The attack was one of the most significant of the 1950′s border campaign ‘Operation Harvest’ and saw Sean South and Feargal O’Hanlon killed in the battle. Today’s freezing weather was eerily reminiscent of that ‘dreary New Year’s Day’, but about 1500 hundred people came out to commemorate and listen to Adams.In his speech, he said that while he acknowledged the irony, he didn’t see a contradiction in honouring the sacrifices made in the raid against the RUC while at the same time recommending acceptance of the PSNI". Slugger O'Toole.

    http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/01/02/2007-here-we-come/

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  6. ranger1640,

    well, he wouldn't, would he?

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  7. Ardoyne Republican,

    you caught it well.

    The difficulty lies in defining the 'reality' behind armed republican attacks. In my view it is the persistent repetition of failure. Republicanism, I imagine, needs to unshackle itself from the physical force tradition if it is to have any chance of energising the type of unarmed movement you referred to. Armed actions make it all too easy for SF to present itself as unarmed republicanism. As we both know it is neither unarmed nor republican.

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  8. http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/gerry-and-best-in-a-double-act-2621736.html

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  9. Mackers,
    How very apt, 'talking Brownie'
    They (Sinn Fein) are currently on a charm ofensive. Peace and love to all, even those pesty dissenters.
    Seriously, apparently now you are allowed to hold an opinion.
    Someone told me recently, you can now officially express an alternative republican view.
    The person I was speaking to did express some concern about voicing her alternative view though, she was somewhat concerned if she did give an opinion she faced the very real prospect of losing her job.
    What about all these 'dissenting' Easter parades, will the 'mainstream' tolerate a gathering of twelve or more if they are not in the Masters name?

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  10. Sorry, I should have written charm offensive. Big Gearoid should have no problem with that one, all that charisma spewing out of him.
    He will have the 'dissidents' joining the PSNI quicker than you could say, Mc Guinness is the 'Fisherman'.

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  11. The good cop bad cop routine being played out by Gerry and Martin is both predictable and transparent. Whereas Gerry is willing to engage with 'dissident' republicans, Martin, on the other hand, pours scorn and ridicule on the wicked killers of Ronan Kerr, a serving member of the poorly reformed anti republican police force. Setting aside the politics, this double act lacks credibility when viewed under the historical microscope.

    Irredentist republican activity is the legacy of the failure of Gerry and Martin et al to secure acceptable terms at the negotiating table. The approach of lecturing people, on the one hand, and scorning them, on the other, will not cut the mustard.

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  12. I see in todays vatican times a report that Sue Ramsey used some of her industrail wage to buy a hair dye,which in turn hospitalised her for two days,she said it made her head grow, now my questions are ,what was the name of this dye,? where can we purchase it?,and can we use it on the bearded one and the rest of that parcel of rouges.?Ramsey and the rest may yet learn that their vanity will be their downfall.

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  13. Ardoyne Republican-

    The same rules of engagement which the Provo's followed- lets see -

    omagh's army barracks has been removed

    the armed brit army has been removed

    the r.a.f has been removed
    the r.i.r has been removed

    any-one who thinks they are hard-line- their brain has been removed

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  14. What hair dye are you using Mickeyboy your brain is melting mo cara,

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  15. Marty,

    "What hair dye are you using Mickeyboy your brain is melting mo cara."

    I have'nt a clue - I'd hazard a guess at a new Sinn Fein product -"Our Colours Run Free"

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  16. Marty-

    That hair-dye of yours- is that the
    special drink that you swallow on your mountain trips- how do you see those sheep- never mind catch them

    Robert-

    Good one- " our colours run free "
    free speech works the best when all are free-

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  17. michaelhenry,
    The "armed" British army have been removed? What does that mean? I'll explain it to you, seeing as you seem to be a bit simple: british "Army", the clue is in the word A R M Y, means they are armed. By, the way they have not been removed from the north, they still have a large garrison here.

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  18. Lol Robert "only our colours run free" thats a cracker,and white is the perfect colour to run with,
    Mickeyboy as a Pastafarian I dont have to run after the sheep,my flock cometh unto me to be begated at my pleasure,all praise to the FSM.

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  19. Robert, Ramsey said her head was swollen, how ridiculous is that?,who ever heard of anyone in psf with a swollen head?.

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  20. I can understand Ramseys head melting,after all with the amount of colour changes she and her cronies have went through,its bound to take it toll.

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  21. Michaelhenry
    omagh's army barracks has been removed
    the armed brit army has been removed
    the r.a.f has been removed
    the r.i.r has been removed
    What a complete load of pure undiluted bollocks you spew out every so often.
    I completely condemn like most right thinking people the murder of any person ,but to suggest that the mighty Provo’s only bombed and killed members of the security forces in an area because they had a barracks is downright disingenuous . The fortified buildings only sprung up after completed or failed attempts like what happened in the last weeks. So please read before you write

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  22. Michael Henry,

    You say the British army has been removed from the North, but then who did the Real IRA kill in Massereene a couple of years ago?

    If the British still have jurisdiction over the North, if they still have soldiers there, then how in the fuck could the Provos have won?

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  23. ranger1650

    'Adams.In his speech, he said that while he acknowledged the irony, he didn’t see a contradiction in honouring the sacrifices made in the raid against the RUC while at the same time recommending acceptance of the PSNI". Slugger O'Toole.'

    Does the word hypocrit come to mind? Or how about...the man speaks out of both sides of his mouth?

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  24. Interested-

    Have you got any more excuse's why the brits built their barracks in Ireland- listen to the peace talk whilst the brit army goes -

    Alfie-

    A whole two years ago- im on about now- no brit army patrols in omagh now- no brit barracks in omagh now-
    no r.a.f choppers over omagh sky's now- no r.i.r patrols in omagh now-
    kill a cop now- its the cowards way out-

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  25. Michaelhenry
    “listen to the peace talk whilst the brit army goes -”
    The army may leave and never return but the union is safe in Sinn Fein hands thanks to their hunger for power we are now more bonded to the Union Jack than at any time since the 1922 treaty , The DUP are getting very jealous of Sinn Fein because they reperscent a better bet to maintain the Union than the Unionst family could ever have done well done Gerry and co

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  26. Interested-

    You on about the 1920 goverment of Ireland act-

    Its gone now to- bye-bye crown

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  27. Michael,

    The British Army scaled back its presence in the North after the PIRA declared a permanent ceasefire. British soldiers may not be patrolling the streets anymore, but the British Army still has bases in the North. In any case, I don't think the question of whether the British Army is on patrol or not is the one you should be asking yourself. What is far more significant for a republican is whether the North remains part of the UK or not. Do you accept that the British still have jurisdiction over the North? If so, how can you believe you are living in a united Ireland?

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  28. Michael Henry Mc, I'm surprised you have the time to be on here blethering. Cookstown's a big place, have you no canvassing to be at?

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  29. James Connolly society-

    Cookstown is a big place ?
    so is most of the towns in Ireland

    Canvassing is going well- i miss the dissidents- they are not standing in our patch this election

    Sinn Fein is a 32 county organization-
    what is the society's climb to fame
    they are only half a county thing-

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  30. You might well get elected in Cookstown again but I think you will have a wee upset in Dungannon. I don't see Bromwyn the blow-in beating Barry, who is a Republican not a dissident no matter what Freddie Molloy might tell you. The Societies aren't party political but individual members can run in elections.

    'Half a county' I don't think so, we have Societies in every county in Ulster now bar Cavan and we are already into Leinster and Munster.

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  31. James Connolly society maybe on the ball here by telling us where Mickeyboy has his gaff! now Cookstown forgive me if I,m wrong is famous for sausages, and sure wouldnt that explain a lot,Mickeyboy is running around with the things in his ears instead of up his arse like most of the rest of psf.

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  32. James Connolly society-

    By your own words- the society's are not a 32 county thing-
    Cavan does not want you and connacht kicked the society's to hell-

    " the society's arn't party political-but individual members can run in elections "
    thats a good one- did money-bags brian and frankie tell that story-

    Bromwyn was in at the war stage- unlike barry- but you sound like a bet is comming- who will win-

    Marty-

    Thanks for the support-
    when anyone kicked at you i never joined that Queue-

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  33. cookstown sizzler, the closest michaelhenry ever got to a bomb

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  34. Michael Henry Mc,
    your premature ejaculations obscure any clarity in your post. We are a little more than 2 years old as an organisation and we are still growing. In time we will be in every county. As Republicans we have patience and are not encumbered by leadership propaganda. Your deranged ramblings about Cavan and Connaught suggests that you might have high hopes of hanging out with Gerry Kelly some day. Give it up our boy, I think you have way more paranoia than you can handle already.

    As for Dungannon council, Bromwyn getting caught moving a bit of gear years ago will mean little to the Dungannon people who know Barry as a capable, honest and hard working public representative from their own town rather than a blow in politician from Aghnagar.

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  35. James Connolly society-

    So you will soon be two years old- did you support the good friday agreement from 1998-2009- thats a whole 11 years- if not what were you at for those missing 11 years

    I see a new dissident group has claimed that tyrone cops killing- i also hear that they are going to tyrone's first GAA ulster title match with anti- micky harte t-shirts on- thats big of them- wait till you hear the media- this new group will be more hardline than the hardliners-
    the real and the other jokes were sissy's anyway-

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  36. michaelhenry
    a thought ocurred to me, your worst nightmare perhaps?
    If Tyrone+S.Armagh turned out to be behind this 'new' IRA and told SF they had taken a wrong and treacherous path, where will mi5 gerry and mi6 marty draw their authority from?
    Where will that leave the blind...eg YOU?

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  37. michaelhenry,
    the new group is allegedly made up of ex-provos.
    Oh dear, how will that fit with the 'traitor, sissy' rhetoric?

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  38. Fionnuala Perry-

    " the new group is allegedly made up of ex Provo's. oh dear, how will that fit with the 'traitor, sissy rhetoric'? "

    Some are X army- but all of them are full time big-heads- they see a war now that the armed brits are gone-

    But how does this new group fit with you Fionnuala- were they not traitors to you when they supported the process- or are they ok now that they oppose Sinn Fein and what the people of the 32 voted for-

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  39. Nuala,

    ‘Someone told me recently, you can now officially express an alternative republican view.’

    They would have beaten you for doing it a few years ago.

    ‘The person I was speaking to did express some concern about voicing her alternative view though, she was somewhat concerned if she did give an opinion she faced the very real prospect of losing her job.’

    Which means they now just drive you into poverty you if you express a different opinion.

    Nuala it is not in that mindset to allow a different point of view. I think it is a serious problem that has afflicted republicanism throughout its history. Today’s dissenting republicans will be no different if they could get away with censoring people.

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  40. michaelhenry,

    'Some are X army- but all of them are full time big-heads-'

    If you know who they are, will you be following party orders and touting on them, รก la Judas Iscariot?

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  41. i wish people on this site would wise up to this "michael henry " youngster from ogra sinn fein his replys are very much childish and not even worthy of reply, very much like his mlas in sinn fein,thought just crossed my mind, he probaly is an mla.

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  42. michaelhenry,
    I supported Sinn Fein but I was never a traitor, slightly misguided actually big time misguided but a traitor no.
    I hold the same republican views that I have held all my life, it is your leadership that has changed republican idealogy to compliment its treachery not the so called 'dissidents'
    Someone remarked to me recently that Adams and McGuinness were political whores, both would sell themselves to anyone for a price.
    No offence intended o anyone who has to do this for a living.

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  43. John McGirr-

    I might know some of them- but i have no proof on any individual action- or who actually took part in them actions-

    see no war- hear no war- then how can i speak about a war-

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  44. michaelhenry,

    'I might know some of them- but i have no proof on any individual action- or who actually took part in them actions-'

    Listen to you leader: he doesn't want you to wait for proof. That is for your ruc friends to concoct:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13172503

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  45. Michael Henry,

    Did you ever read George Orwell's 1984? You seem to be partial to a bit of doublethink.

    I'll keep asking you this question until you make some attempt to answer: how could the Provos have won the war if the British still have jurisdiction over the North?

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  46. Alfie-

    I hope you don't think i have been trying to avoid your Question-

    You talk about brit jurisdiction over a part of Ireland- what is this jurisdiction act now called- please don't try and be smart by naming a act of law before 1998- because that would mean that you did not read the agreement- which was wrote- agreed on and THEN voted
    into law by the 32-

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  47. Michael Henry,

    Have you read the GFA? It states:

    "It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland"

    Are you seriously contesting the fact that the North remains part of the UK?

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  48. Alfie,

    That bit was in the 'smallprint.' Anyway are we not supposed to read between the lines.

    Above all don't embarrass MH with the facts.

    Not a bullet, not an ounce, what a laugh!

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  49. Alfie-

    Yes- i did read the good friday agreement- still have a copy of it

    What you have said about the agreement was wrote-and then the people of Ireland voted yes to start the process-

    john McGirr-

    There was no small-print in said agreement- maybe a few small minds who opposed- [ no offence ]

    The brits never got a bullet or an ounce- well except what the loyalists and sticky's give them-

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  50. michaelhenry,

    We read this;

    "It is hereby declared that Northern Ireland in its entirety remains part of the United Kingdom and shall not cease to be so without the consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland"

    But it means that we have won the war, the Six Counties is re-united to the Free State, we are free.

    'Humpty Dumpty harumphs to Alice, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less."'

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  51. Read walls of silence. that will show you what adams and the provos are like.

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  52. Michael Henry,

    "What you have said about the agreement was wrote-and then the people of Ireland voted yes to start the process-"

    The process to what?

    The people voted for an agreement that copperfastened the consent principle and thus partition as well. The North remains part of the UK unless the citizens of the British statelet there decide otherwise. So how did the GFA bring a united Ireland any closer? And how could the Provos have possibly won the war when the North remains part of the UK?

    PS. The Provos decommissioned their weapons; the British did not. A British police force still patrols the North and the British Army still has bases there. Face it, Michael, the Provos lost.

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  53. Fionnuala
    'I hold the same republican views that I have held all my life, it is your leadership that has changed republican idealogy to compliment its treachery not the so called 'dissidents'

    People can have selective memories Fionnuala, especially when it comes to playing both sides against the middle like SF does so well. Unfortunately, those who disagree with SF or find fault with the GFA are the ones they will crucify for holding on to their republican principles.

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  54. caelee said...
    'i wish people on this site would wise up to this "michael henry'

    I think they already have caelee. I don't agree with michaelhenry anymore than he agrees with me; however his posts are a good indication of what SF 'brainwashing' can accomplish.

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