RATs – Racists Against Tots
While the racists spent the day after the attacks presumably sleeping off their hangovers Belfast was mobilising to bring relief to the suffering. While the PSNI, like the racists, seemed to be sleeping off whatever they had the night before, successful European candidate Joe Higgins saw his party in Belfast take the lead as it immediately organised defence for the victims. Paddy Meehan, one of its activists, has been warned by the PSNI of a death threat because of his role in defending Romanians against racism.
There appears to have been some UDA involvement whether approved or not despite assurances by Frankie Gallagher of the Ulster Political Research Group, definitely not a racist, that this was not so. Gallagher was far from persuasive when he made the case that the UDA were not blameworthy. When asked should the loyalist militia condemn the attack he sought refuge in peace processery, claiming that when military style organisations were being urged to go out of existence it was a backward step to be asking for the same organisations to be making statements of any kind. Whatever logic there is in that it seems more an excuse than a reason.
The UDA has a long history of involvement in hate crime, albeit a history which some of its members have refrained from participating in. Catholics were often targeted for no reason apart from their perceived religious allegiance. And the organisation in its Johnny days openly flouted its racism. It is hardly surprising that Frankie Gallagher and his colleagues are having problems confronting a racist mentality in the UDA. But the response, focused as it is on the need for more funding, is so typical of the UDA begging bowl mentality – dole out money and we will insist on our membership doing what it is doing now, whether it be killing Catholics or expelling Romanians. The UDA may have decommissioned some of its weaponry at the start of the week but it needs to decommission the racist mindset that grips many within it ranks.
One of the most appalling aspects of the attacks was that a baby of 5 days was among those targeted. I have known Romanian kids from birth. They have been in my home and I in theirs. They are no different from any other child in their vulnerability and need for human love and protection. That the pernicious viciousness of racist violence should visit them at so tender an age is loathsome. All the rubbish about begging in the streets and ‘stealing our jobs and houses’ is brought into sharp focus for the trash that it is when the situation of this tot is considered.
The incidents have also demonstrated the futility of censorship. Listening to a BBC Radio Ulster broadcast featuring those who were vehemently critical of the people under attack rather than the attackers, I felt a great opportunity was lost when they were silenced and told to clear off by the presenter. Here were bigots every bit as dunderheaded as those white South African farmers from the apartheid era who argued that black people lived in hovels because their brains could not understand other shapes. And their stupidity was pushed to the side where it was no longer exposed to us. They should feature on every chat show available and their bigoted moronic stupidity laid bare so that everyone can see the level of intellect that drives the violence against Romanians.
The Romanians have a right to return to their homes. The racists have a right to be nowhere but jail.
Great piece, Anthony. I suppose it should be no suprise to read that Eoghan Harris is soft on the UDA and the PSNI while effectively saying that the Roma brought the violence on themselves:ReplyDelete
yes another great piece Anthony,but I disagree about sending them to gaol, I think that is if the other animals would,nt mind the zoo would be more fitting, then the monkeys could see how far in evolution they have advancedReplyDelete
For an ex IRA man to talk about racism is astonishing and hypocritical in the extreme. I'm sure the IRA in South Armagh never targeted people on th grounds of their religion - did they?ReplyDelete
Like most of these incidents wherever they occur, you usually find youth unemployed, housing shortages and as lack of jobs. Not that the attacks exused in any way, but it's very simplistic to blame the Loyalists.
I could mention many children murdered by your former colleagues, but there's no point, we all know the barbarity of the IRA.
LONDONDERRY: In 1970, more than 13,000 Protestants lived on Londonderry's west bank. There are now less than 1,000 left.
GARVAGHY ROAD PORTADOWN More than 1,600 Protestants have left the Garvaghy Road In Portadown Over the past 30 years to live In other parts of Portadown and the wider Craigavon area. Elements within the nationalist population on the Garvaghy Road are still attempting to threaten Protestant families from their homes In the Corcrain area and around Corcrain Orange hall.
COALISLAND: In 1970, 870 Protestants live in Coalisland. Today, there are only about 20 families left in the Co Tyrone town, less than one per cent of the population. Their churches, businesses, meeting places, used for social and cultural functions, have been attacked.
I could write all day about the racism and ethnic cleansing of areas in Ulster over the last 30 odd years. When Republicans show leadership and stop the attacks on Protestants, we may start taking Republicans seriously when they talk of racism.
From the 1904 Limerick Pogrom of Jews to Eamon de Valera supporting Hitler, Republican idealogy has been littered with facism and right wing extremism.
Sean South of Garryowen. South, an Irish republican icon and Catholic bigot killed during an IRA raid at Brookeborough police barracks on New Year's Eve 1957, belonged to the radical anti-Semitic religious group, Maria Duce.
Then we have Sean Russell, the IRA’s commanding officer during the Second World War. The facts about Russell's tenure as IRA O/C as well as his death are crystal clear. As British cities were relentlessly bombed during the Luftwaffe Blitz, Russell dispatched bombers of his own to England. Explosions killed civilians in cities such as Coventry while industries and military installations in Northern Ireland were targeted, all at a time when the Free World was fighting a war of survival against Hitler's armies.
I would suggest instead of point scoring, the citizens of Belfast work together and react where racism occrs, on all sides of the divide.
I do not intend getting into a debate over this, but I cannot let William Frederick's get away with claiming Eamon de Valera supported Hitler, as far to many lies have become the established truth in Ireland and the UK.ReplyDelete
Eamon de Valera, a man who had many faults, in an attempt to keep the 26 counties of Ireland neutral in WW2, insisted all diplomatic relations with foreign powers were conducted properly, nothing less and nothing more. Given that within living memory that part of Ireland had seen the back of an occupation that had lasted approx 800 years.
It was not only understandably he wished the country to remain neutral, it was the proper thing to do. For the 26 was on its knees and had few material resources to contribute, it would simple have been used as a staging post for US and UK troops, with all the connotations of the past this would have involved. Instead the 26 stayed neutral and helped feed the people of the UK.
The fact that he managed to keep the 26 out of that bloody conflagration through diplomacy alone, when all the major powers were beating on his door, was something which is yet to be equaled by any leader of a small and poverty stricken country.
Mr Frederick is perfectly entitled to disagree with Dev's decision, what he is not entitled to do in my view is distort or lie about how he maintained the 26's neutrality.
I defend your right to stick up for whoever you wish to. However I'll let you in on something about De valera.
On Hitlers death.
The Taoiseach and minister for external affairs Mr De Valera accompanied the secreatary to the dept of external affairs Mr JP Walshe called on Dr Eduard Hempel the German minister, last evening to express his condolence.
The Swastika at the German legation was flown at half mast at 58 Northumberland Rd.
I could go on Mick, but you catch my drift by now. You can deflect an deny all you want.
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I am aware of that, it was one of the reasons I mentioned Dev insisted on the diplomatic niceties being carried through.
Incidentally the United Kingdom did much the same when Stalin died.
This did not mean that Churchill then PM supported or admired the Georgian gangster.
Apologies for taking the thread off topic.
The charge of ethnic cleansing of the Garvaghy Road is hard for many of us who grew up around there to countenance - it's an nonsense utterly inappropriate in this case.ReplyDelete
The charge of not point scoring while point scoring is even more ludicrous.
At the heart of several strands of loyalism is a implicit link with many far right groups. That is a fact and to uphold the legacy of people like Billy Mitchell, loyalist leaderhip simply has to give some guidance in this case. Especially as Mardi Gras is approaching.
Well said William brilliant response exactly what i would expect from someone whose background would be of close to a Loyalist. having being close to sections of the protestant community for a few years of my life this reply to racism is always the same blame everyone else but most especially the catholic religion or anyone or anything connected to it. I am not an IRA supporter so am not having a pop at you but please take off the blinkers and see what "The Loyalists" really do which is pick on the weak and defencelessReplyDelete
William, without doubt republicans have things to answer for including the attack on Whitecross. But you cannot pretend that loyalists can be absolved of racism. As for the barbarity of the IRA was there a more barbarous act carried out during the troubles than the massacre of an unarmed civilian population on the streets of Derry? People who were murdered for no reason other than their IrishnessReplyDelete
Alfie, Harris never called for the cops to go soft on the IRA in case the peace was jeopardised. One law for it and another for the IRA. Moreover, if it was just community rather than racism why were the attackers using Nazi slogans?ReplyDelete
William, that has to be one of the most ridiculous examples of whataboutery I've seen in quite some time.ReplyDelete
Loyalist Fascists have been exercising their xenophobic hatred in mini-kristallnachts from Moygashel to Belfast, as they prepare for the marching season.
This is happening in the here and now and it is a symptom of the malaise within the Loyalist mindset.
A nice brief synopsis of one sided history amusing and not exactly a great defense in the year 2009 perhaps we should blame Vlad (the impaler) Dracula as he skewered a few Germans in his day. Maybe it is a fear that amongst these Romanians the evil Dracula lives.
Strange how if we cross the imaginary line into the imaginary free state the imaginary Catholics and Protestants have no bother in living side by side.
Oh no run for the hills the Pope very dodgy background indeed Hitler youth?
Lenny Murphy half a taig oh right he was only half a bigot.
Let’s just justify the world through the eyes of good old Britannia after all they seem to be the master extremists with a proven factual history of cultural superiority. The grand old days of yore when the sun never set on their empire! Now it shines brightest with the last of their stooges in Norn Iron who for some strange reason hold on to this finished imperialist nightmare.
I digress, damn history so many names and facts to defend contemporary extremism. Let’s just blame the Irish and British governments for letting all these foreigners into our wee country.
Strange how history has a bad habit of biting argument in the arse seems as if the planters may have been foreign nationalist when they arrived in Ulster?
Oh wait that was just Mother religions attempt at purifying that other religion.
Let’s see I would love to join the political correctness brigade but I can’t as I enjoy the old jokes especially the Paddy Irishman ones, and your comment William has a few lurking within it.
Odd how we accept the larger foreign influences without a blink all those strange businesses and so on though they pose no threat to cultural heritage.
Then on the bottom end we have the ordinary people who speak funny and have funny customs strange how we see these people as a threat to working and unemployed reality.
How about we look at ourselves one backwards people who can’t govern ourselves we depend on foreigners to influence our daily lives.
Sad enough that unfortunate people displaced from their home lands end up in such a confused wee world unique in its hatreds and worse become its victims.
It is a shame that we “Northern Irish people” who have suffered and continue suffering outbursts of or darker times cannot be more accepting of other peoples.
One day we may be smart and actually look after the interest of the future until such a time we can rely on the insanity and hatred we conveniently defend and deny.
Well I am away to phone my protestant friends and my English and Scottish relatives and tell them we can’t play anymore as the past says so.
Right enough a my stupidity I am away to have an existential meltdown, I just heard that we may have evolved from monkeys and worse this whole out of Africa theory is wreaking havoc on my pigment pride.
By the way William the free world fighters actually left a hell of a mess with Stalin’s delusional insanity not exactly free, the battle for Berlin lead to the cold war.
British propaganda is so interesting as it skips by its own vicious atrocities and excuses itself from being a problem which still affects people to this day…a silly little invasion of Ireland a conquest.
PS: Give my regards to Her Majesty and His Holiness the Pope, as I know they are deeply affected by the wee troubles in the north, and since I’m skint maybe they would sub me a score until I get a job.
Defending bigots and extremist with extreme bias I miss the point of your comment.
Amazing how much garbage Republicans can spout in such few words and sentences. I noticed no one denied my comments on Sean South or Sean Russell. Suppose Russell only hitched a lift on the U boat...Jeez oh!ReplyDelete
Was Sean South a member of Marie Duce the anti Jewish organisation or not?
You see it really doesn't matter, racism is a human trait, not a Loyalist one that the Republican revionists on here would have you believe.
The facts are right in front of your green noses, but like all Republican revionists, you despise the truth and always opt for the propaganda instead.
As a Loyalist and extremely proud of being so, I'm not disputing the fact people in Loyalist organistations have had links with far right groups, that's not up for debate. However those numbers were small and in my years of frequenting with Loyalists and working with fellow Loyalists, race was not very high on the agenda.
As for the barbarity of the IRA was there a more barbarous act carried out during the troubles than the massacre of an unarmed civilian population on the streets of Derry? People who were murdered for no reason other than their Irishness.
One word AM - Omagh.
However that's neither here nor there, we could go on all day with the point scoring.
Rather than bury your heads in the sand and pretending Republicans are lovely humane individuals who wish everyone greeting and eternal happiness, you may wish to open your eyes to hatred and racism withing your own community.
No one pretends a few Loyalists have not been involved in far right groups, just like Sean South in fact (SWEEP SWEEP I CAN FEEL IT COMING) But to insinuate all Loyalists are racists is utterly pathetic and one which only some of the posters here would believe.
Some of the paranoia ripping from the posters is almost laughable. Some even see anti Irish jokes hidden amonst my text. Some see me attacking the RC church (Where would you start and finish on that one?)
Keep burying your heads in the sand folks and pretend every racist act is always from our side of the fence.
Did the IRA target Protestants solely on their religion or not?
Now answer very carefully...
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I'm sure this can be put down to the craic etc, but if it walks like a fascist, talks like a fascist, then you know what it is - don't you?
Former Provos Southern Commander Sean O'Callaghan:
IRA volunteers in Tyrone were on the whole far more sectarian than I was or ever could be. Their Catholicism was of a virulent and hate-filled brand. It is, in retrospect, hard to see how it could have been otherwise.
Militant Irish nationalism and Irish Catholicism have a deep and complex relationship, nowhere more so than in rural areas of Northern Ireland like Tyrone, Fermanagh, and Armagh.
During this period I was involved in recruiting new IRA volunteers. One of our main safe houses was a parochial house outside Omagh. Sometimes we used that house to initiate new members. Imagine the effect on a young uneducated country lad brought to his parochial house under cover of darkness to be inducted into the IRA. Try telling him that the Church was not on his side. One of the local priests usually called on another house in that area where I and other IRA men often stayed.
He took great delight in asking us to relate our latest escapades. He was also forever passing on information about local Protestants: usually members or ex-members of the UDR or RUC. At least one of these was later murdered by the Provisional IRA.
This was, in reality, a war against Protestants. There was a deep, ugly hatred, centuries old, behind all of this. The prods had the better farms, the better jobs that belonged by right to the Catholics, and they wanted them. If I wanted to attack a British army patrol or barracks, the local Provos wanted to shoot a part-time UDR or police reservist. They wanted to murder their neighbors. They wanted to drive the Protestants off the land and reclaim what they believed was their birthright. Gradually the reality was getting through to me. This was no romantic struggle against British imperialism but a squalid sectarian war directed against the Protestant people of Northern Ireland.
Not avoiding your points will have more time later to give an opinion. The posts have gone of track though that is fair enough; keep posting and a bit a dialogue will open up. Hopefully some one familiar with your area will chirp in. Even though I don’t agree with you it is interesting to hear your view.
Such sad and bitter whataboutery from William. You are away off raving about the 1940s again when the issue in question is right here, right now.ReplyDelete
Mr Crowley is obviously not familiar with recent and modern history. I'm sure all Republicans are people and citizens of the world and no one in that community has any racist or sectarian undertones in their thoughts and hearts. Jeez oh!ReplyDelete
Former Provos Southern Commander Sean O'Callaghan: Was this is the 40's?
You see we Loyalists have a saying, which I'm sure everyone will dispute and then label me as a racist. (Smearing me a racist is a tactic which won't work)
We say when it comes to Republican history and atrocities.
Deny, deflect and sweep is the motto Republicans use. No matter what you put in front of you, no matter how serious the atrocity. no matter how much sectarianism and bigotry you use, it's always the Loyalists fault.
Although I have to say, I do admire the Republican movements political nous and use of the media for their propaganda. Something we Loyalists were extremely poor at understanding.
But I'll say again just for the bigots in green who refuse to acknowledge societys problems and in turn blame Loyalists.
Bigotry and racism are in every community, every country and every religion. You can sweep, deny and deflect all you like, but that's a fact.
It's also a fact about Sean Rusell and Sean South, both were Nazis and both Irish Republicans.
But hey, it was a few years back, so it doesn't really count now.
William, you can defend anything you want here, even Rangers.ReplyDelete
'Omagh' is not a persuasive answer. You must imagine that the event there did not cross my mind when I asked you the question on barbarity. There is no excusing Omagh. In terms of life lost it was a more devastating event than Bloody Sunday. Yet it was incompetence, inexcusable as that may be. Bloody Sunday was the intentional mass slaughter of civilians.
I see you are not eager to discuss these issues because you regard them as point scoring that could go on forever. Fair enough. If you make a response to the above point, you can have the last word on it.
Sean O'Callaghan - a hostile witness it has to be said. That does not make him unreliable in and of it itself. However, there are serious question marks over the veracity of what he has told us at times. Furthermore, his vocation was to undermine the IRA as a fighting force and disparage it at all times. The type of thing you cite may be true but might also be part of his strategy of discrediting the IRA.
A fool alone would dismiss everything he says but it is separating the wheat from the chaff that is the challenge.
Are all Loyalists racist? No.
Have republicans targeted Protestants for no other reason than they were Protestants? Yes.
Sean South would not be a role model I would want to follow. Offhand I don’t recall if he was a member of the Marie Duce group you refer to but I have no reason to doubt you. But how representative of republicans was he? Much less representative I would argue than Johnny was of the UDA. Here was a guy with a background in far right racist groups yet became the driving force behind the UDA for quite some time.
But the argument about where the greater degree of racism lies was not the point of the original article. Its premise was simply that there were racist attacks on Romanians and that it was quite possible that there was some level of UDA involvement. And had it happened at the bottom of the Falls Road and was carried out by republicans you would find it highlighted and challenged here.
To be honest i've enjoyed reading your articles and knowledge of what happened and didn't happen within the Republican movement during the troubles.
Of course I have a blinkered view and my own prejudices when it comes to the IRA, as most Loyalists/Unionists do. I also find what you say on the site as the work of a very intelligent man who believes passionately in his cause, although I never can or will relate to your views.
I'm sure you've heard what was going on in that area with the Romanians, petty crime and pickpocketing etc. This does not excuse women and children or innocent people being attacked. But in any major city, these things happen from time to time, between indiginous people and migrants.
Social problems such as housing, unemployment and the Unionists felling of disenchantment right now with their lot have led to the events being discussed.It's not a Loyalist or Unionist phenomenen, it's a problem with society itself.
Let's not go overboard here, we have some teenage delinquents causing mayhem for a minority of people, the same as happens in Glasgow or London.
I'll say again for the sweep sweep brigade, every community has racists and bigots, so don't use this to target and demonise the Unionist community - we won't accept it.
William, I have been pickpocketed myself by what I presume was a Romanian woman in Dublin and had a phone stolen. But it could have easily as been an Irish pickpocket. There are enough of them about. And it would never dawn on me to blame Romanians.ReplyDelete
Myself and two children set a bag down in Amsterdam one day and it had gone in a flash. Nothing of consequence lost. Not a Romanian in sight. I could accept the argument of hostility and difference not being racist were it not for the Nazi dimension. Every time the swastika appears I immediately think racists at work.
I don't think it is remotely possible to label the unionist community racist - it has mobilised against the attacks. It has racists in its midst. I am sure think there are racists in republican communities but it would seem harder for them to vent their spleen.
If you want to see racism in Ireland come south of the border. It is the one negative dimension of living here. It is very attitudinal and would seem widespread. I would argue from my experience there are more republicans down here who are racist than there would be in the North.
William, your argument is one of cyclic redundancy; as they say in computer jargon.ReplyDelete
Russell explored links with Germany and was dead long before people knew about the death camps. DeValera ran his own Dacchau for Republicans at the time. This was the 1940s.
Sean South, who was not a Nazi was killed in the '50s and the paid propagandist and spy O Callaghan was in Tyrone in the '70s.
Belfast and Moygashel happened last week, Loyalists have had links with neo-Nazis for years; in full knowledge of the death camps.
If you want to tread the path of whataboutery you should at least have the integrity to come up with something contemporary. Your whataboutery is not only dated but considerably flawed as well.
Of course I could counter everything (most of it nonsense) you've said and more, but that defeats the purpose.
You see there's a difference between you and me. I've readily admitted some Loyalists did have links with the NF and other far right organisations.
I've admitted failings within the Loyalist camp to educate and enhance our people. You on the other hand, see no evil, hear no evil. Remember what I said about deny, deflect and sweep?
That's you down to a T sir!
For you to deny fascist links with known Republicans and clergy, says more about your hate and bigotry than I could ever write. I'm comfortable with my history and personal belonging. I'm open enough, despite being a 100% Loyalist, to admit to our failings and bad habits on the political front.
Have as read at your last post.
It's OK, he was a tout and doesn't count.
Russell was dead before the death camps. But he did know about Hitlers fascists views and the discrimination against Jews, gypsies and his thoughts on world domination - didn't he? But never mind, the death camps were not in existence then...jeez oh! He just hopped on a U boat asking for a lift home - right?
Sean South was a member of Marie Duce, a fascist anti Jewish organisation wether you like it or not (deny, deflect and the big sweep coming up)
Of course you also forgot to mention people like my grandfather who fought at The Somme and my other grandfather who fought in the 2 nd world war. We Loyalists and Unionist have our faults (Unlike you Mr Crowther) But we are rightly proud of our fight against Hitler and fascism.
I know what my ancestors did to oppose fascism and Hitler - do you?
To slander an entire people because of a few misguided individuals says to me you are a hate monger of the highest order.
Do we denounce the entire RC church because of some disgusting Priests? No of course we don't. Do we say every Muslim is scum because of Bin Laden? No of course we don't. But that's your reasoning behind slating the Unionist community.
Instead of being a patronising little bigot, why not look at the bigger picture and grow up at the same time.
You've probably never met a Loyalist or anyone who classes themself as a Unionist, so don't judge what you hate because of your upbringing and ignorance.
William, I work with Loyalist/Unionists, I am well aware of them.ReplyDelete
Sean South was killed pre-Vatican 2, you know before Catholicism dropped the overt anti-semitism. I'm not a Catholic either.
Russell visited the USSR and USA as well as Germany attempting to aquire weapons. Furthermore he was chief of staff of the IRA when they fought the Fascist blueshirts throughout the country.....guess who their political descendents are most closely aligned to.
You have addressed nothing, your whataboutery still hangs like a shredded sash.
Where are the contemporary Republican racists? Who is there today to compare with the Loyalist brownshirts conducting anti-foreigner pogroms?
You are one of the most retarded apology monkeys that I've laughed at in quite some time.
I really don't want to get into an online slnging match with you as I'm just a poor brown shirted retard.
However I'll say it once again just for you, as the deny, deflect and biiggggg sweep has come to the fore.
Two teenage boys have been arrested for racist behaviour, no more, no less. Yet once again, you see reason to label an entire section of the community as fasicsts. Think about what your saying, look at your words again, feel the anger and hatred pouring from every sentence.
I would reckon, even the Republicans reading your words are squirming at your bigotry and hatred. If you wish, I can get in touch via Anthony and suggest a goos therapist who deals in anger mangement and forgetfulness.
Just a shame the village lost its only Idiot when you come online.
Please speak the Queens Enlish Crowley and try to control the anger.
The discussion has turned into a slanging match. You can continue it as long as you wish as I have no intention of policing it. But is it really enlightening anyone at this point?ReplyDelete
@"Please speak the Queens Enlish Crowley"ReplyDelete
I can get in touch via Anthony and suggest a (goos) therapist who deals in anger (mangement) and forgetfulness. How you fair so well in hypocrisy, note to William spell check a gift for computer users!ReplyDelete
Speak Lizzie's ENGLISH wise up try correcting your terrible grammar.
You’re a cabbage “wee Willy won't go"
You missed your calling Will-Liam
Shitty Irish name that must be a laugh at the gers coal shed meetings.
A shrink could not fathom your obsession with republican men; need to get something of your simple mind Liam?
Keep the tartan war up as the Brit days are fading into the sea as in on the Titanic.
No wonder that ship sank.
PS: Give my regards to Johnny, as Scotland really needs that little ranger’s supporter’s front.
Glasgow police are not so daft unlike the PSNI they do a fair enough job watching loony groups.
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