tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post7187155640465170200..comments2024-03-18T23:04:56.177+00:00Comments on TPQ: SheAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51034729937265677182020-12-23T08:11:39.330+00:002020-12-23T08:11:39.330+00:00@larry Oh don’t get me started on the money that w...@larry Oh don’t get me started on the money that was made on all sides! Yes I’m under no illusion that it was a sordid dirty war. Not really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-48394938357905813272020-12-22T13:22:43.432+00:002020-12-22T13:22:43.432+00:00Larry Hughes comments
I'm sure as I've s...<b> Larry Hughes comments </b><br /><br />I'm sure as I've said there were a lot of decent well meaning people in RUC and prison service for example...great career options if you were unlucky enough to be born a loyalist...lol As for jailing more loyalists that isn't disputed but would Leslie not agree we now have a clearer picture that fools rushed in and agents remained in place AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41234009046563560772020-12-20T20:10:12.153+00:002020-12-20T20:10:12.153+00:00I don't dispute Peter that there's lot of ...I don't dispute Peter that there's lot of poverty in all communities. And truly some Loyalist areas are among the hardest hit. And yes, nationalist as a rule have done better educationally.<br />There are reasons for that though. Firstly, many of the heavy engineering type jobs, where Unionists dominated, are long gone and unlikely to ever be replicated. Until equality legislation came inHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42589448071361939372020-12-20T19:36:41.916+00:002020-12-20T19:36:41.916+00:00Nrh,
I don't know if you can relax into this ...Nrh,<br /><br />I don't know if you can relax into this <br />But if you can't follow what's actually being said then this conversation is going nowhere<br /><br />How many times do I need to repeat that my criticism has been about the actions & behaviours of a collective group, the collective which I call Political Unionism<br />Again ... there has been no personalised referencesHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35353650347997160012020-12-20T19:14:33.897+00:002020-12-20T19:14:33.897+00:00Not Really Here
Yes that other republican myth tha...Not Really Here<br />Yes that other republican myth that the RUC were in cahoots with loyalists and the hundred of times loyalists attacked the RUC at footy matches and band parades didn't happen and the thousands of loyalists imprisoned by the RUC and court system didn't happen either I suppose!!!!Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-71141955669010272772020-12-20T12:28:59.349+00:002020-12-20T12:28:59.349+00:00Henry - you forgot the ' prejudice against a p...Henry - you forgot the ' prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group" In the written piece, nowhere did I allign myself to ANY party - much less unionism or loyalism. I never have, and never will.... Never either - did I expect a 'free ride' but what I definitely won't put up with is blinded assumptions about my life when peopleNot really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-21280415125779121862020-12-20T12:18:59.720+00:002020-12-20T12:18:59.720+00:00Frankie - again - you ASSUME.... I said I was in a...Frankie - again - you ASSUME.... I said I was in a job I detested, NOWHERE did I say it was a 'dead end' job! I was a manager and could - IF I had wanted to progressed in the company.... I joined in the late '80's - WOMEN weren't armed..... Why I didn't go for doctor or whatever is because I chose to help right in the communities... I know many nurses, doctors who have Not really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5317851882343358202020-12-20T10:28:24.526+00:002020-12-20T10:28:24.526+00:00And frankie, Cait Trainor on Omagh? Seriously? All...And frankie, Cait Trainor on Omagh? Seriously? All the same to you mate I'll give her a pass.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46705849291140780332020-12-20T10:23:27.901+00:002020-12-20T10:23:27.901+00:00Protecting an asset or agent is a damn sight short...Protecting an asset or agent is a damn sight short of having a hand in the genesis or implementation of a plan to bomb. Even the bombers themselves said they fucked up with the placement of the car, gave a wrong location which the cops acted on but sure, keep twisting and turning to absolve the ones who built it and planted it.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36753376497698681942020-12-20T09:45:11.445+00:002020-12-20T09:45:11.445+00:00HJ
"an apartheid-like and supremacist system ...HJ<br />"an apartheid-like and supremacist system of governance imposed on the CRN communities in the six counties"<br />FFS Henry wind your fucking neck in!You do realise that middle-class RCs did and still do very well in NI and that working class prods do very badly esp in education. You do realise that loyalist estates in Larne and North Belfast were some of the most deprived in NI?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4241356949751026422020-12-20T08:09:30.556+00:002020-12-20T08:09:30.556+00:00'Not really here'
take a closer look at w...'Not really here'<br /><br />take a closer look at what I've written <br />Firstly, the intent of my contribution was/is to critique the actions and behaviours of political Unionism. There is no personalised attack on specific individuals. If there is an invalidation of your personal experience then perhaps you'd specify? <br />The 'arse hole licking lackeys' comment Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69565414463549440132020-12-20T07:11:02.833+00:002020-12-20T07:11:02.833+00:00Not really here.....,
I have assumed nothing abou...Not really here.....,<br /><br />I have assumed nothing about you or your life. I have questioned why you (now I will assume you are Lesley), decided to pick up a gun for a living. What was your real motivation? Money? We know in the late 80's you were in a 'dead end' job going no where fast. and then one day decided to apply for a job that meant you'd be trained in how to fire frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61386247959327441132020-12-19T18:53:39.952+00:002020-12-19T18:53:39.952+00:00Barry - thank you... I just found the comments pre...Barry - thank you... I just found the comments pretty standard from bigots.... Refusing to accept anyone else's viewpoint other than their own. Quite sad really..... And yet again - because you have a different viewpoint - they are classed as 'vaccuous' lol Quite frankly - I've had 30 years of certain people claiming I'm 'this' or 'that' without actually Not really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25793058870699029792020-12-19T18:46:31.689+00:002020-12-19T18:46:31.689+00:00If you ACTUALLY read the piece without blinded big...If you ACTUALLY read the piece without blinded bigoted eyes, you would read that I never had had my house raided like catholics and those of my friends did, you would have read, that I never saw the direct impact of terrorism. You didn't READ the fact that I joined because I hated the job I was in and I knew I was good at helping people! So yes - if that is my crime you accuse me of - naivetyNot really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36641460364407724902020-12-19T18:42:07.118+00:002020-12-19T18:42:07.118+00:00Frankie
What I experienced as a youngster, or inde...Frankie<br />What I experienced as a youngster, or indeed young adult was perhaps not the same as the part of NI you grew up in....so - yet again, your assuming things about me and my family that I would never dare to assume. What is it they say about 'assuming'? Yet again, you've based your assumptions on a small piece of writing, one which was never supposed to be published - you Not really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41419440118886645212020-12-19T18:34:23.604+00:002020-12-19T18:34:23.604+00:00Sean - Who says I didn't think Loughinisland o...Sean - Who says I didn't think Loughinisland or the Bookies were appalling atrocities? Send me a victim or survivor of either of those atrocities, and I will willingly invite them onto a panel to tell their stories in public.... You say I'm DELUDED?? What's your story then? Fancy telling it to me in public, since you seem to disregard MY truth so willingly? Are YOU so deluded about Not really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88127231051131969012020-12-19T18:10:04.522+00:002020-12-19T18:10:04.522+00:00Henry, I will some day write about the shit that t...Henry, I will some day write about the shit that the UVF and Loyalists created, I will also write about the awful way the Police and security services protected touts at the expense of everyone else involved in the conflict. The truth is, at the minute I CANT write about it as I've submitted quite a few issues with my solicitor regarding my previous bosses! <br />As for being an 'Not really herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03898760620707146264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52971345508514601052020-12-18T09:33:22.293+00:002020-12-18T09:33:22.293+00:00Barry,
that transmogrification which you call fo...Barry, <br /><br />that transmogrification which you call for, though already begun years beforehand, was formalised in '86<br />These transitions are slow by their nature but the trajectory is clearly visible should you care to look<br /><br />Come on now Barry, Get with the programme <br />Haven't you heard Mary Lou's comment to political Unionism of only this week?<br /><br /><i>&Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3501185591365023022020-12-17T17:32:31.415+00:002020-12-17T17:32:31.415+00:00Henry Joy
If political Unionism should 'repen...Henry Joy<br /><br />If political Unionism should 'repent and give up their ould sins' and acknowledge 'their sins of commission and omission' then so should violent Republicanism transmogrified into latter-day constitutional nationalism.<br /><br />But neither will; too much blood has flowed under the bridge for either to happen.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5750025938773595372020-12-17T12:38:08.617+00:002020-12-17T12:38:08.617+00:00Thank you LouThank you LouAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83118726178319663352020-12-17T10:34:39.375+00:002020-12-17T10:34:39.375+00:00This is why i love TPQ. A wide range of opinions a...This is why i love TPQ. A wide range of opinions and narratives from across the political divide. A brilliant platform Anthony. Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00605883932507199180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55441604078335783482020-12-17T00:50:44.819+00:002020-12-17T00:50:44.819+00:00Barry,
expressing one's frustration and outra...Barry,<br /><br />expressing one's frustration and outrage at distortions, whether those distortions are real or even if they are merely inaccurate perceptions, are of themselves acts of authenticity. <br />They are not of themselves hate-filled (But thank you for withdrawing that charge). <br /><br />Whereas I might concede there's little or if any empathy in my commentary, I reject yourHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20510785903356487982020-12-16T20:18:34.566+00:002020-12-16T20:18:34.566+00:00Barry - that's fair enough. I don't agree ...Barry - that's fair enough. I don't agree with the criticism but when I see Henry Joy in particular raise the matters that he does, I do so with an awareness that he has hammered the notion of armed campaigns and the futility they have written into them. Frankie has a plague on all your houses because he can't be accused of having any role in any of it. Sean Mallory was OTT but even AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46417796419459268622020-12-16T17:23:49.731+00:002020-12-16T17:23:49.731+00:00Anthony, Henry Joy
Ok the responses were not hate...Anthony, Henry Joy<br /><br />Ok the responses were not hate-filled and I apologise for the use of the word "hate". But the tenor of much of what Frankie, Sean Mallory and Henry Joy said in response to Lesley were spiteful lacking in empathy and riven with "whataboutery" and historical grievance. <br /><br />I would no more have joined the RUC, UDR or British Army than I Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76787322530143459452020-12-16T11:09:45.827+00:002020-12-16T11:09:45.827+00:00Barry,
your allegations are vacuous, vague and u...Barry, <br /><br />your allegations are vacuous, vague and unsustainable<br />Be specific in your allegations<br />Which responses and which parts specifically do you deem 'hate-filled'? <br />Clarify please <br />Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.com