tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post7068944031217501561..comments2024-03-28T13:35:30.500+00:00Comments on TPQ: The Smearing Of Roderic O’GormanAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1357441629328835642020-07-29T19:11:13.395+01:002020-07-29T19:11:13.395+01:00Henry,
It's no problem. You're welc...Henry,<br /> It's no problem. You're welcome.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16875194780593020272020-07-29T10:17:38.485+01:002020-07-29T10:17:38.485+01:00Apologies for the misunderstanding David.
Thanks ...Apologies for the misunderstanding David. <br />Thanks for the clarification.Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62892591063031237002020-07-29T07:03:43.316+01:002020-07-29T07:03:43.316+01:00Henry
I never said it was black and white po...Henry <br /> I never said it was black and white positioning. Anthony asked if Nationalism should be obligatory and I said no, cited extreme cases of being free to hate or feel ashamed of your country. The assumption you suppose was never made.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83427262565251555112020-07-28T21:12:33.993+01:002020-07-28T21:12:33.993+01:00David,
to favour internationalism and globalism ...David, <br /><br />to favour internationalism and globalism above nationalism does not require one to be ashamed or to hate one's country. Your assumption that in rejecting nationalism we hate or feel ashamed is, or so it seems to me at least, an indication of the binary quality of your thinking on this. <br /><br />As such there's an inherent limitation to such black or white positioningHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23995901861272354582020-07-28T15:14:26.734+01:002020-07-28T15:14:26.734+01:00Globalism is a preference for me, not something I ...Globalism is a preference for me, not something I would go out and fight for. There is always the danger that it will lead to a more tyrannical world but the world as it is might have no option - globalism or barbarism to misquote Marx. And even then there is no guarantee that it will not be global barbarism. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91855136371749092702020-07-28T14:53:22.420+01:002020-07-28T14:53:22.420+01:00No it shouldn't be obligatory. You should be f...No it shouldn't be obligatory. You should be free to hate or be ashamed of your country without people thinking less of you. Patriotism has obvious downfalls blind allegiance etc but I don't think we are at a position were we can replace it with globalism. <br /> With current human mindset I believe global government would lead to a more tyrannical world. <br /> While agitation is Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-82965454964522287672020-07-28T09:20:45.723+01:002020-07-28T09:20:45.723+01:00You can love it with you want. Of more interest fo...You can love it with you want. Of more interest for me is whether nationalism should be any more obligatory than religion; what freedom there is for the dissenter from nationalism - one index of freedom is the extent to which it is given to those who oppose.<br />Obligation nationalism has as much purchase on me as obligatory Catholicism.<br />The same limits on agitation is applicable everywhereAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35144798735795902932020-07-28T08:38:53.963+01:002020-07-28T08:38:53.963+01:00I think we've allowed the right to hijack Nati...I think we've allowed the right to hijack Nationalism. I don't see why you can't have a love for Ireland, the six if you're a Unionist, Scotland, Wales wherever and not have simple empathy and compassion for your fellow man. We've allowed too many people to use Nationalism as a front for racism.<br /> While agitation has it's uses, you end up feeling despondent over Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23792013973737677582020-07-27T12:10:58.268+01:002020-07-27T12:10:58.268+01:00I don't see the will either. I think the possi...I don't see the will either. I think the possibility is that we will grow into it. The trend is towards a global government. The nationalism that rise up to buck the trend is more of the right than the left. Right wing nationalism poses a serious threat to human society. <br />We should concentrate on achieving human rights for those we can. We can hardly achieve them for those we can't. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14600532581678994472020-07-27T11:58:42.077+01:002020-07-27T11:58:42.077+01:00Intellectually your premise is fine. It's the ...Intellectually your premise is fine. It's the will I don't see. How long have international bodies been in agreement climate change is the number one concern? What's happened? An autistic girl spoke at the U.N. Is that the highlight?<br /> As selfish as it is, I believe we should concentrate on achieving human rights for who we can, asylum seekers who land in these shores, for Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25096773404427145702020-07-27T08:25:14.224+01:002020-07-27T08:25:14.224+01:00to follow on from that logic that national human r...to follow on from that logic that national human rights would be easier to implement than international, then even ore local than national would be easier again to implement. <br />Nations no more protect human rights than wider governmental institutions such as the EU. The welcome verdicts of the European Court against governments who have abused rights indicates that. <br />At the same time we AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75826759560628302742020-07-26T23:01:29.997+01:002020-07-26T23:01:29.997+01:00It's a complex question. If only citizens of a...It's a complex question. If only citizens of a country were afforded human rights, then they would be national rights instead of human which inevitably would be unjust. Although it would be easier to implement.<br /> If you were a member of a country or bloc then you are protected as such. Oftentimes they can't even get that right so how could we be successful globally? Even though the Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10788064395965562232020-07-26T21:57:30.572+01:002020-07-26T21:57:30.572+01:00Much as those who believed in the duchy struggled ...Much as those who believed in the duchy struggled with the concept of a national framework. What are national human rights other than rights for certain individuals within a nation? And are those rights to be denied to others not of the nation? How would that survive allegations of racism? Global problems in my view require a global government. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-959029659446632252020-07-26T21:51:15.847+01:002020-07-26T21:51:15.847+01:00I struggle with the logistics of a global framewor...I struggle with the logistics of a global framework. When the Chinese oppress the uighur Muslims, the Israelis commit a war crime or if Trump's federals shot someone in Portland tonight, what can we actually do about it? <br /> Are national human rights not easier to obtain? In supporting Globalist networks are we giving more power unintentionally to those who abuse human rights? <br /> HowDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17717424209196698682020-07-26T21:13:07.744+01:002020-07-26T21:13:07.744+01:00our behaviour is shaped by more than our reason. B...our behaviour is shaped by more than our reason. But our capacity to reason is what distinguishes us. Better to follow reason than irrationality or faith. The enlightenment was based on a n assumption that people could reason but would not necessarily do so. Science was meant to give us a way to overcome the limitations of subjective experience. <br />Are universal human rights feasible? Its a AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17639147155197425222020-07-26T21:01:53.795+01:002020-07-26T21:01:53.795+01:00Collectively as a people can our intellect outweig...Collectively as a people can our intellect outweigh our nature? I.e in times of stress and fear can rationale dominate the brain's r complex. Are the educated 21st century westerners more moralistic than our ancestors or just safer? It's easier to be philosophical when not in danger.<br /> That's not to argue against universal human rights but more ask if it's feasible.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72322214973206504222020-07-26T19:46:07.926+01:002020-07-26T19:46:07.926+01:00I don't believe it does. People advocate in ac...I don't believe it does. People advocate in accordance with their opinion rather than their nature. The human nature of people allows us to make the case for universal human rights. It does not mean that it is in our nature to do so. Many don't. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32838580868903457142020-07-26T18:43:46.282+01:002020-07-26T18:43:46.282+01:00Does that not presuppose that it's in human na...Does that not presuppose that it's in human nature to advocate for universal human rights?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41638717126144765102020-07-26T15:47:41.993+01:002020-07-26T15:47:41.993+01:00there is one human nature in general terms. There ...there is one human nature in general terms. There are endless human personalities and traits. <br />One human nature allows us to advocate a one universal human rights model without saying "they" should be excluded from the cover of human rights because they have a different human nature from "us." There hasn't always been nations and I don't presume there always willAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-6624486832593258552020-07-26T14:24:56.829+01:002020-07-26T14:24:56.829+01:00Anthony,
Saying there's one human race...Anthony,<br /> Saying there's one human race is another way of saying there's one human nature. The corollary of that is surely nationalistic, when has it ever been anything else?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40755818035177904652020-07-25T21:05:21.846+01:002020-07-25T21:05:21.846+01:00"Just because you do not know anyone who is a..."Just because you do not know anyone who is afraid of gay people does not mean that homophobiua does not exist no more than claiming not to know anyone with prejudces towards blacks, Jeqs and Mosloems does not prove the absence of hostility towards thsoe groups.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14551270837118907122020-07-25T15:49:11.069+01:002020-07-25T15:49:11.069+01:00"Homophobes have always tried to link gay rig..."Homophobes have always tried to link gay rights with advocacy of paedophilia"<br /><br />Eh that's because paedos hide under that umbrella. It isn't rocket science. Just like many politicians hide behind good causes whilst facilitating child rape. P.s I don't know anyone who is afraid of gay people hence your 'homophobe' term is simply more virtue signalling p.c MickOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278524870773217698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-30327591476464707732020-07-25T07:25:11.514+01:002020-07-25T07:25:11.514+01:00Great piece Michael - nailed it.
The guilt by ass...Great piece Michael - nailed it.<br /><br />The guilt by association used against O'Gorman has a powerful rebound effect. It is left looking wholly at odds with its own message when the same principle is applied to Hermann Kelly and Justin Barrett. The latter in particular has long association with neo Nazi groups and events and the former has associated with Jim Dowson, the Scottish far AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39982004923684925742020-07-24T22:58:34.493+01:002020-07-24T22:58:34.493+01:00Homophobes have always tried to link gay rights wi...Homophobes have always tried to link gay rights with advocacy of paedophilia.<br /><br />Mr Kelly complains of attempts to hoist an 'extreme LGBTQ+ agenda' on children. Did generations of Irish children not have the ideology of patrriachy forced on them with well documented paedophiliac consequences?Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.com