tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post7019380611396386561..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Ordinary Voices ⬌ Interview 5AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-8257594290719979552019-07-24T08:04:01.644+01:002019-07-24T08:04:01.644+01:00it isn't really rocket science. The IRA acknow...it isn't really rocket science. The IRA acknowledged much of what it did and also failed to acknowledge much of what it did, often lying about it.<br /><br />The one wholly implausible comment is that the IRA "always" owed up to its acts. Demonstrably it did not. <br /><br />Tonyol - that makes the sound of one hand clapping. There is no doubt that the IRA leadership lied through AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1052853070066471492019-07-24T06:27:37.776+01:002019-07-24T06:27:37.776+01:00Will then 'much' was an inaccurate express...Will then 'much' was an inaccurate expression if 'indeed a lot' was acknowledged.Wolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74857254925039188432019-07-23T22:58:22.825+01:002019-07-23T22:58:22.825+01:00Lying is, was and always will be second nature to ...Lying is, was and always will be second nature to the IRA leadership amd rspecially its chief spokesman, Gerry Adams.Tonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67611187854184626572019-07-23T22:35:58.784+01:002019-07-23T22:35:58.784+01:00But even then it was not the entire IRA leadership...But even then it was not the entire IRA leadership but the most influential section within it. Who knew what and when is still open to discussion. The people on the ground were never told anything but that is the same for foot soldiers the world over. The extent to which many of them were fighting for a united Ireald is called into question by the ease with which they bought into the GFA. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15471463101489561242019-07-23T22:30:53.830+01:002019-07-23T22:30:53.830+01:00"The IRA has always owned up to its acts"..."The IRA has always owned up to its acts"<br /><br />The Bayardo Bar; Joanne Mathers; Joe O'Connor; Claudy; Sammy Llewellyn; the sectarian killing campaign 74-76; Kingsmill; the DAAD killings; the Bobby Tohill kidnapping; all its operations post 98. And they are the ones from the top of my head. <br /><br />The Adams defence that it wasn't the IRA but a few guys here and there AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-44550998336401178682019-07-23T19:37:34.100+01:002019-07-23T19:37:34.100+01:00The IRA has 'denied much of what it did'? ...The IRA has 'denied much of what it did'? Definitley untrue. I'd say they indeed acknowledged 'much' of what they did. Btw, what individuals get up to doesn't neccessarily mean that it was the IRA.Wolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38347879227821313942019-07-23T17:10:10.623+01:002019-07-23T17:10:10.623+01:00"I am not sure McGuinness knew anything to th..."I am not sure McGuinness knew anything to the degree that Adams knew it and I think you are probably wrong in dating it as late as the mid 1980s - there are grounds for believing Adams had reached that view much earlier and certainly much earlier than McGuinness had ever reached it."<br />I agree - the point I was trying to make was that McGuinness had begun discussions with the Brits Tonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50895672932618437092019-07-22T20:24:04.121+01:002019-07-22T20:24:04.121+01:00May I suggest that ALL relatives of victims of u...May I suggest that ALL relatives of victims of unlawful homicide in the Troubles all injured in the course of unlawful acts commkitted during the Troubles be entitled to compensation from a Criminal Injuries board.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68860200004594454342019-07-22T19:27:25.484+01:002019-07-22T19:27:25.484+01:00That is hardly true - the IRA has denied so much o...That is hardly true - the IRA has denied so much of what it did - I doubt we will ever fully know what the Brits didAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7396108388882993422019-07-22T19:23:32.581+01:002019-07-22T19:23:32.581+01:00The IRA has always owned up to its acts. The Brits...The IRA has always owned up to its acts. The Brits seldom do. Hence the squealing,wriggling and huffing.Wolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-34387025808872236412019-07-22T18:21:44.785+01:002019-07-22T18:21:44.785+01:00But that sounds more of a diatribe against the IRA...But that sounds more of a diatribe against the IRA than it is an addressing of the issue - whether or not people should be able to call for justice regardless of what the IRA does or doesn't do or whether your description of it is accurate. <br />Whether victims of state psychotics or IRA psychotics, to use your terminology, the hypocrisy of either the state or the IRA, should not be allowed AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12970067806056189772019-07-22T14:12:57.207+01:002019-07-22T14:12:57.207+01:00The IRA sees nothing wrong with demanding justice ...The IRA sees nothing wrong with demanding justice for victims of state violence on the one hand while denying it to those killed or injured by IRA psychotics on the other - like the psychotic IRA "hero" in Derry who murdered the defenseless young mother Joan Mathers in cold blood (under Martin McGuinness' orders?).<br />A cynic could think that the IRA's campaign to put British Tonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-30833630559898182082019-07-22T06:29:46.358+01:002019-07-22T06:29:46.358+01:00that hardly impinges on the perspective of people ...that hardly impinges on the perspective of people who feel the British state have denied them justice in respect of the killings inflicted on their loved ones. There is noneed for them to have to wait unti SF comes clean. SF don't care - they use it as a political instrument to their own advantage.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54705268667336299802019-07-22T01:42:30.525+01:002019-07-22T01:42:30.525+01:00The point is that Sinn Fein IRA have become The Si...The point is that Sinn Fein IRA have become The Sisters of Perpetual Victimhood and until such time as they recognise they caused far more deaths and lifelong injuries than any other armed force they will continue to be seen as a hunch of murderous perpetual whingersTonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60635148957303078992019-07-21T06:55:29.682+01:002019-07-21T06:55:29.682+01:00Tonyol - if the British insist on pursuing people ...Tonyol - if the British insist on pursuing people for past deeds it seems logical to expect them to go where the evidence takes them. If the IRA hold no documents that can be accessed and SF members have information which they refuse to pass over, and the British have documents which can be accessed, then that is where the evidence is. SF does not have to be honest, the British Army does not haveAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-24787360841485340242019-07-20T22:51:58.176+01:002019-07-20T22:51:58.176+01:00The pathetic excuse that just because the IRA/Sinn...The pathetic excuse that just because the IRA/Sinn Fein did not keep records while the RUC did means that the IRA shoul not be held ccountable for its crimes while the RUC should be is risible. There are dozens of Sinn Fein IRA people who know everything about every IRA atrocity but who will never tell anything. <br />Until Sinn Fein IRA starts being honest about its role in the dozens of war Tonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.com