tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6748922028719438286..comments2024-03-18T23:04:56.177+00:00Comments on TPQ: Recovering Evangelicals AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29093356870094004942022-07-16T16:53:29.251+01:002022-07-16T16:53:29.251+01:00Will do, my friend. Will do, my friend. Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81716277511508084572022-07-16T15:18:00.885+01:002022-07-16T15:18:00.885+01:00That is good to hear Ian. He would hardly remember...That is good to hear Ian. He would hardly remember me although he might remember the treatment as he had performed it before. I don't know of anyone else in the prison who experienced the problem. But yes, please do say to him. He brought me much relief from pain. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-49848114175310430742022-07-16T14:36:34.513+01:002022-07-16T14:36:34.513+01:00Yes, Tom is still alive and walking, but no more h...Yes, Tom is still alive and walking, but no more hills! Has had both hips broken by simple falls, so he is careful. He is shortly due home from the Amazon, where he and his wife have been visiting her mother and family. <br /><br />Lurgan Baptist Church, of which I am also a member. I'll tell him you said hello, if you like. Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12256377021576021122022-07-16T12:54:18.008+01:002022-07-16T12:54:18.008+01:00I presume Tom is still alive? He loved hill walkin...I presume Tom is still alive? He loved hill walking so was fit enough. A very competent doctor - not every jail doctor was competent but he was. What is the Church if you don't mind me asking? AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16578442073883744252022-07-16T12:52:25.785+01:002022-07-16T12:52:25.785+01:00He was a very good doctor. I went out to him once ...He was a very good doctor. I went out to him once about a finger growth that would not go away and he told me he knew what it was as he had experienced it on the missions. He treated it successfully in one session. When it appeared on another finer, he did the same again.<br /><br />Young Earth Science is just a joke. Like Flat Earth Science. You have never yet been able to show one science AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-504292498115080722022-07-16T12:16:09.521+01:002022-07-16T12:16:09.521+01:00Yes, Tom was a medic there for a while after his r...Yes, Tom was a medic there for a while after his return from the Amazon.<br /><br />There is no point pretending there is no science in support of YEC. It's there for all who care to be informed. Steve's comment about Gondwandaland illustrates the point that many just assume what YEC holds without checking. A supercontinent as the created form of earth, later broken up during the Flood Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16777421156623134992022-07-16T10:13:34.834+01:002022-07-16T10:13:34.834+01:00This is always the problem for Wolfie. He expects ...This is always the problem for Wolfie. He expects of us that we take his rejection of other interpretations of the bible no more seriously than we do his claims that the earth is 6000 years old or that YEC is a science. <br />And we don't.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-47798595138640046932022-07-16T09:24:06.195+01:002022-07-16T09:24:06.195+01:00"But the scientists who hold to YEC are hones..."But the scientists who hold to YEC are honest about their spiritual origins. They do however make a purely scientific case for their YEC convictions. That's being honest."<br /><br />There's not a single solitary shred of scientific evidence for YEC Wolfie let's just clear that up right now. Just a few months ago I was in rainforest that is literally from the time when the Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29619700532847889452022-07-15T22:39:13.584+01:002022-07-15T22:39:13.584+01:00Just more of the same Wolfie, Nothing serious or w...Just more of the same Wolfie, Nothing serious or worth a response. Dr Tom Geddis - did he work in the H Blocks? AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15026949253482055352022-07-15T20:51:52.778+01:002022-07-15T20:51:52.778+01:00P2/2
‘Those I admire I do so is because of their d...P2/2<br />‘Those I admire I do so is because of their desire to find a deeply social Christ in their fellow human beings who suffer poverty, illness and injustice. I admire them for staffing soup kitchens, visiting the poor, and helping the homeless and despairing.’<br /><br />Yes, the Lord Jesus has led many of us to such works of mercy. Indeed, Evangelicals led the way in the great social Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51790917800268576762022-07-15T20:51:27.467+01:002022-07-15T20:51:27.467+01:00Apologies for being late with this. Your post did ...Apologies for being late with this. Your post did not show on my Gmail. Only when I checked my own post for reference did I see it. Not sure what's happening there!<br /><br />P1/2<br /><br />AM said:<br />‘Many intelligent and deep thinking Christians believe in the NT but not in any literal sense. They see it as allegorical, meant to reveal a much deeper truth by pressing the intellect theyWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22753130927473984042022-07-02T17:57:28.141+01:002022-07-02T17:57:28.141+01:00Wolfie - I haven't glanced at a bible since 19...Wolfie - I haven't glanced at a bible since 1978. It is as a result of a difference of opinion with some evangelical type who came to look at the exotic protestors. <br />What I do know is this. Many intelligent and deep thinking Christians believe in the NT but not in any literal sense. They see it as allegorical, meant to reveal a much deeper truth by pressing the intellect they believe AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-6975758640019503622022-07-02T14:59:37.837+01:002022-07-02T14:59:37.837+01:00Anthony, just ask yourself could you sit down and ...Anthony, just ask yourself could you sit down and read the NT and end up denying the God it plainly declares does exist *whilst at the same time* thinking it declares the god of these 'Christians' you admire? <br /><br />What grounds have they for believing such a god exists? An honest person who rejects the NT as man-made would think the writers were imagining it all, rather than being Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-8387002350745012152022-07-01T17:13:45.836+01:002022-07-01T17:13:45.836+01:00I get that you will find it totally illogical. Wit...I get that you will find it totally illogical. With your refusal to think logically but religiously, you will think in line with the cult mentality that everybody outside your cult has it wrong. It is probably the result of having been indoctrinated at an early enough age. <br />Many Christians are not self obsessed and concerned only with saving their own souls. Because they take the bible AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36743069997159899282022-07-01T11:08:46.385+01:002022-07-01T11:08:46.385+01:00I find it totally illogical for anyone to treat th...I find it totally illogical for anyone to treat the NT as metaphor, yet find a real divine Christ in it. No honest reader would do so - they would either reject it as manmade fables, or accept the record as it stood. <br /><br />There is no surprise that most people ridicule the claims made in the NT about Christ - His virgin birth, sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection. They didWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90255793035100420542022-06-30T08:24:44.827+01:002022-06-30T08:24:44.827+01:00Your problem is that most sane Christians do get a...Your problem is that most sane Christians do get a divine Christ out of the NY while holding it to be metaphor. They seek to extract from the NT a Christ of Love whereas others want a Christ of Hate. Another problem is that those regarded as insane or religiously deranged are the people who believe in talking donkeys. Just look at the widespread ridicule of Poots when he assumed leadership of theAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85220425856357395082022-06-29T17:41:44.982+01:002022-06-29T17:41:44.982+01:00AM said:
‘There is simply so much rigorous work ou...AM said:<br />‘There is simply so much rigorous work out there calling the bible into question without challenging the divinity of Jesus that is allows us to conclude that the bible is a work of metaphor put together by men with limited knowledge of the world they lived in: a work that tries to capture the essence of something without being literally true.’<br /><br />Simply nonsense. No sane Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62935947699027529132022-06-28T08:21:14.532+01:002022-06-28T08:21:14.532+01:00There is simply so much rigorous work out there ca...There is simply so much rigorous work out there calling the bible into question without challenging the divinity of Jesus that is allows us to conclude that the bible is a work of metaphor put together by men with limited knowledge of the world they lived in: a work that tries to capture the essence of something without being literally true. <br />The NT does not get to decide what a Christian isAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35881250542262216232022-06-27T20:30:38.765+01:002022-06-27T20:30:38.765+01:00AM said:
'Because it challenges you in your co...AM said:<br />'Because it challenges you in your comfort zone makes it no less true. We know the value of close textual reading and historical investigation'<br /><br />I have no problems with close textual reading and historical investigation. I just deny they give the fables these guys are claiming. <br /><br />'Nor do you get to decide who is a genuine Christian. Most Christians Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69017237700163066862022-06-27T20:11:03.303+01:002022-06-27T20:11:03.303+01:00AM said:
'But you are not showing us what Chri...AM said:<br />'But you are not showing us what Christians always believed because Christians are a mixed bag who have always believed different things. The early discussions on the divinity of Christ are very clear about that. The history of early Christianity shows a serious amount of infighting to establish control. I don't know what an authentic Christian is.'<br /><br />It is easyWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-6884351686535564132022-06-27T19:48:05.206+01:002022-06-27T19:48:05.206+01:00But you are not showing us what Christians always ...But you are not showing us what Christians always believed because Christians are a mixed bag who have always believed different things. The early discussions on the divinity of Christ are very clear about that. The history of early Christianity shows a serious amount of infighting to establish control. I don't know what an authentic Christian is. I do know that there are Christians such as AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55290868852533563092022-06-27T19:42:44.904+01:002022-06-27T19:42:44.904+01:00Unfortunately, the nonsense lied in the talking do...Unfortunately, the nonsense lied in the talking donkey camp. <br /><br />Because it challenges you in your comfort zone makes it no less true. We know the value of close textual reading and historical investigation . Nor do you get to decide who is a genuine Christian. Most Christians laugh at the cults. Most people laugh at cults. The manuscripts of the early Christians like all manuscripts haveAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37265888881474569142022-06-27T19:26:42.219+01:002022-06-27T19:26:42.219+01:00AM said:
'They have very persuasive evidence b...AM said:<br />'They have very persuasive evidence based on close textual reading and historical investigation. Many of them continue to remain Christian.'<br /><br />Nonsense on both counts. They have nothing but their speculations, and their claim to be followers of Christ does not stand with the Christ presented in the NT. <br /><br />'The early Church carries little weight againstWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37790733968046174222022-06-27T19:07:33.395+01:002022-06-27T19:07:33.395+01:00Sorry about an incomplete post. Here is the finish...Sorry about an incomplete post. Here is the finished version:<br />AM said:<br />'I don't buy that Christ taught those who wrote the gospels I have read and listened to too many biblical scholars who rubbish that notion.'<br /><br />They have no evidence for their assertions. Just speculations. Against that is the witness of the early church. But the unanimous verdict of the Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73997456682474773472022-06-27T18:59:02.473+01:002022-06-27T18:59:02.473+01:00There are no scientific arguments against an old e...There are no scientific arguments against an old earth. There are scientists who argue against it but they are not doing science but religion. Some to their credit are frank enough to admit that. Just identify one science discipline that holds to the view of a young earth - there is not a single example. <br />Tell me why your god never provided a tape recorder. Why was he so limited in his meansAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.com