tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post5683414041362796580..comments2024-03-18T23:04:56.177+00:00Comments on TPQ: Treat True Believers With Humanity, Not ContemptAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60731282183521834022019-06-28T06:35:28.273+01:002019-06-28T06:35:28.273+01:00Steve - I never had much interest in science or an...Steve - I never had much interest in science or anything else at school. Do you think they can't tell the difference? I think it is more a case of deliberately confusing and falsifying for the purpose of misleading and misinforming. The judge booted them up the Jaxy in Dover for lying. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63869415202520028652019-06-27T23:14:10.314+01:002019-06-27T23:14:10.314+01:00My passion is flora and fauna, unfortunately due t...My passion is flora and fauna, unfortunately due to failing every exam I ever took in school I was unable to make a job out of it! But it's through this lense I read most ID literature..and find myself dumbfounded at the sheer effort they put into being wrong. It baffles me that people allow themselves to be led so astray in the face of concrete, incontrovertible proof that ID is very wrong.<Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26400406716416227872019-06-27T05:55:10.688+01:002019-06-27T05:55:10.688+01:00Steve R - I get that and would not rule out readin...Steve R - I get that and would not rule out reading what I presume to be nonsense if only to see what the so called reasoning behind it is. But these things come in the skip load. Any article claiming we are acts of special creation, having just magically appeared one afternoon, is going to be bunkum. The judge in the Dover case asked them if they are so devoted to religious truth why so much AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-48787650862017217492019-06-26T23:01:30.820+01:002019-06-26T23:01:30.820+01:00If you look at it as an exercise in understanding ...If you look at it as an exercise in understanding what it means 'to be human', then reading even base articles which you know are factually incoherent can shed light on the mindset of the person who puts stock in them. The whole 'special creation' schtick is a source of great comfort to the likes of the Caleb nutters whereas to you and I it's illogical and patent nonsense. <brSteve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-2574629785275634442019-06-26T07:25:47.171+01:002019-06-26T07:25:47.171+01:00Steve - curiosity as to what other people might re...Steve - curiosity as to what other people might read, I can understand but I would never be curious about an argument being made for say a turtles all the way down explanation of the universe. There is so much useful stuff out there to read and no time to do it, why read nonsense? If someone provides a link to a piece arguing for evolution and how it all started in a Smarties factory in Outer AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85489391117903491482019-06-25T22:45:50.153+01:002019-06-25T22:45:50.153+01:00AM,
Yes, curiosity. I sometimes wonder if new bra...AM,<br /><br />Yes, curiosity. I sometimes wonder if new brainfarts by the ID mob will make a modicum of sense. I'm thusfar left wanting. As you point out, evidence is all that really matters. But there is no evidence for a special creation, and a significant amount to negate such superstition. <br /><br />I grew up a Prod, around the Free P mob. Lord save us from the Christians!Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10933402278735008612019-06-25T19:44:08.413+01:002019-06-25T19:44:08.413+01:00Wolfe - "us" is you, me Henry Joy, Sea, ...Wolfe - "us" is you, me Henry Joy, Sea, Steve R et al who participate here. Too disparate a group to be usefully or accurately described as a cult. A cult to me is a group tightly bound by a shared faith in something contrary to all the available evidence outside of the cult. It might be the stork bringing babies, the earth being 6000 years old, scientology, Intelligent Design - they AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76746194304188209352019-06-25T09:27:42.137+01:002019-06-25T09:27:42.137+01:00"......that's a new one for us." Is ..."......that's a new one for us." Is 'us' being the cult? Is bazza the arch Angel! I havnt bothered 'God' in years but I am mindful not to follow any other self appointed gods either.Wolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-47236848785836498302019-06-25T05:52:53.271+01:002019-06-25T05:52:53.271+01:00Steve - why did you even read the article? Out of ...Steve - why did you even read the article? Out of curiosity? I rarely read links on anything or I would be reading all day. I don't read the for or the against articles on evolution for the same reason I don't read for or against on the stork bringing new born children. What would I discover? You might recall the Intelligent Design case in Dover (USA) back in 2005 which dealt with the AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-84345218612643264802019-06-24T22:26:33.528+01:002019-06-24T22:26:33.528+01:00Wolfie,
I did read the article, I even undertood ...Wolfie,<br /><br />I did read the article, I even undertood it. But he ommits quite a bit of information that does'nt fit with his narrative. Can you guess why?Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1126401734407237692019-06-24T22:25:21.227+01:002019-06-24T22:25:21.227+01:00Sean,
"The material realm — our reality — is...Sean,<br /><br />"The material realm — our reality — is a manifestation of consciousness, born of its power to create what we perceive as our reality. Thus it is written that God is all things visible and invisible, seen and unseen, true and untrue, for He is the totality of all that is, that has been and that ever will be. He is the Creator — the conscious force behind creation."<br />Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-11552427877517947982019-06-24T19:30:01.557+01:002019-06-24T19:30:01.557+01:00Cultish sycophancy - that is a new one for us. Hop...Cultish sycophancy - that is a new one for us. Hope you are not a secret god botherer Wolfie!AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17255468590584951262019-06-24T19:28:50.140+01:002019-06-24T19:28:50.140+01:00Sean - you should try saying that in Latin to enab...Sean - you should try saying that in Latin to enable us to understand it better!AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-56005325476221904072019-06-24T10:25:32.308+01:002019-06-24T10:25:32.308+01:00The material realm — our reality — is a manifestat...The material realm — our reality — is a manifestation of consciousness, born of its power to create what we perceive as our reality. Thus it is written that God is all things visible and invisible, seen and unseen, true and untrue, for He is the totality of all that is, that has been and that ever will be. He is the Creator — the conscious force behind creation.<br /><br />Experienced reality, asSean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23496563539762393122019-06-24T08:10:48.371+01:002019-06-24T08:10:48.371+01:00Steve R, we are privileged to have your scientific...Steve R, we are privileged to have your scientific wisdom on here. Privileged indeed. Btw, you obviously didn't read the article. The cultish sycophancy on here is a sight to behold.Wolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79329855007271189852019-06-24T06:15:40.607+01:002019-06-24T06:15:40.607+01:00Steve - at least you took the time to read it. I d...Steve - at least you took the time to read it. I didn't so can't comment on it other than to say that the only discussion worth having on these things is whether evolution was kickstarted by God or wasn't. And even then people will go back to their baseline positions of either believing in god or not. It is revealing how the Vatican came around to accepting Darwin's position, AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60074538472748391472019-06-23T23:07:19.177+01:002019-06-23T23:07:19.177+01:00Wolfe,
"If you can provide evidence of how w...Wolfe,<br /><br />"If you can provide evidence of how we evolved I'd be very grateful?"<br /><br />Pop into your nearest Natural History museum and look at the fossil record for Homo Sapiens. It's blindingly obvious we evolved.<br /><br />And that laughable op-ed by a batshit crazy Polish mathematician who clearly has no understanding of biology is not doing you any favours.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89620497136984166472019-06-23T21:00:21.443+01:002019-06-23T21:00:21.443+01:00The issue has been so well settled I neither read ...The issue has been so well settled I neither read pieces for or against. Like watching an action reply from old soccer games. If anything new comes out we will no doubt learn of it.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-56664121598063058842019-06-23T19:56:02.156+01:002019-06-23T19:56:02.156+01:00https://www.sott.net/article/415422-Evolution-A-Mo...https://www.sott.net/article/415422-Evolution-A-Modern-Fairy-TaleWolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3544132922124391192019-06-23T19:55:00.274+01:002019-06-23T19:55:00.274+01:00So you don't then!lolSo you don't then!lolWolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91049557844970205602019-06-23T19:53:28.752+01:002019-06-23T19:53:28.752+01:00" ... and at the same time people holding tho...<i>" ... and at the same time people holding those ideas will identify so much with them that they invest them with their own person: they will then claim that an insult to their ideas is an insult to them. "</i><br /><br />Agreed, in those situations, where someone reacts as if their whole sense of self is threatened rather than just their opinion, it's often a reasonable Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4506775242755230092019-06-23T18:15:18.599+01:002019-06-23T18:15:18.599+01:00WT - go look. I am not going to do it for you on t...WT - go look. I am not going to do it for you on the grounds of it all being so accessible. It is so easy found if you are really interested and has been hashed out here to the point of tedium. Nobody other than a few religious zealots believe in the magical act of special creation but that too has been gone over so often over the years. The Intelligent Design Movement has tried holding out but AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-84199871504648255572019-06-23T18:03:18.459+01:002019-06-23T18:03:18.459+01:00No, not a lot of difference. But I do think Wells ...No, not a lot of difference. But I do think Wells has a right to hold the views he does. It is freedom of opinion. I recall writing something in defence of his right against the PZNI trying to police him for it. Ideas will be scorned regardless of their provenance and at the same time people holding those ideas will identify so much with them that they invest them with their own person: they willAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39738173527269168642019-06-23T18:02:56.645+01:002019-06-23T18:02:56.645+01:00If you can provide evidence of how we evolved I...If you can provide evidence of how we evolved I'd be very grateful? Btw, just because an abortion debate was made law doesn't mean diddly squat; it's still horrific to some people and they have a right to say so. My point above still stands I.e it's kinda deranged when folk deny concrete evidence of a human in the womb as not a human or evidence and yet they demand concrete proof Wolfe tonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240967708414139476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-78483417815207118382019-06-23T17:35:54.533+01:002019-06-23T17:35:54.533+01:00I think it’s probably better that we sneer at no-o...I think it’s probably better that we sneer at no-one but I certainly would not object to the like of Wells and his ilk being rigorously challenged — not just their ideas. I’m not sure if I’d defend their right to hold such views as they do, to be honest, but such people aren’t anyway the subject being considered. I certainly have no objection to them being met with scorn but the same does not Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.com