tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post5218783810790028450..comments2024-03-29T09:28:08.957+00:00Comments on TPQ: Confronting Islamism with Secularism, Free Expression and Citizenship RightsAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63783284883891732182016-03-24T21:52:08.336+00:002016-03-24T21:52:08.336+00:00If you are not attempting to smear...why bring tha...If you are not attempting to smear...why bring that up?Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7828670592397820382016-03-24T20:49:15.639+00:002016-03-24T20:49:15.639+00:00Ex-Loyalist then? Unless there is another Steve......Ex-Loyalist then? Unless there is another Steve..... Either way, I'm not trying to smear.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13057189537393486012016-03-24T19:26:54.162+00:002016-03-24T19:26:54.162+00:00DaithiD
No, I am not a loyalist. Not sure what yo...DaithiD<br /><br />No, I am not a loyalist. Not sure what you meant by that?<br /><br />Or where you just going for the ad hominen?Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59889368098399485712016-03-24T13:10:12.884+00:002016-03-24T13:10:12.884+00:00But your a Loyalist arent you Steve? It just means...But your a Loyalist arent you Steve? It just means your heads up a different arse.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23401587591736540442016-03-24T11:44:06.767+00:002016-03-24T11:44:06.767+00:00DaithiD,
There are many in Christendom that would...DaithiD,<br /><br />There are many in Christendom that would love to have the power that Islam does. For you to say that the 'Devil', another ludicrous invention to absolve responsibility for wrong doing, never 'left' Mohammad is patently absurd. Blaming others and absolving of responsibility is the cornerstone of religion.<br /><br />But lets not just 'pick' on Mohammed, Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-58407447777672804952016-03-24T08:48:36.061+00:002016-03-24T08:48:36.061+00:00DaithiD,
religion is obtrusive, invasive, dictato...DaithiD,<br /><br />religion is obtrusive, invasive, dictatorial if left unchecked. Islam is dangerous not because of what is in the texts per se but because of the political power that can be pulled together by people to impose the texts. It might well be pushed by some non-believers who have no faith in the texts but who nevertheless see it as useful for their political careers. I imagine some AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7345644507327311392016-03-24T07:12:04.041+00:002016-03-24T07:12:04.041+00:00AM, like anything, if its a personal pursuit that ...AM, like anything, if its a personal pursuit that doesnt seek to exert itself on others, what reason could one have for opposing it? But for you to be right, I think, it would need an Islam that doesnt seek to establish itself as a form of governance. When you see the incremental creep towards an Islamic society , are you sure thats whats on offer?<br /><br />Steve, I appreciate Christianity DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16000135576507998992016-03-23T22:42:15.030+00:002016-03-23T22:42:15.030+00:00DaithiD,
I think you got it back to front: knives...DaithiD,<br /><br />I think you got it back to front: knives would have been ok without Shankill Butchers. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-45302469254079221482016-03-23T19:57:49.802+00:002016-03-23T19:57:49.802+00:00DaithiD
"Mohammed added something to the Kor...DaithiD<br /><br />"Mohammed added something to the Koran that honoured some pagan deities whose members he was seeking to appease."<br /><br />Much like what the Christians did when they cut a bloody swathe conquering Europe. They knew to keep the pagans in line they had to adapt, hence all the Saints who have roots in pagan deities.<br /><br />Even the Christian calendar is based on Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72382150651087841392016-03-23T19:28:03.843+00:002016-03-23T19:28:03.843+00:00Like Douglas suggested, the newspapers now have th...Like Douglas suggested, the newspapers now have their candidate for crucifixion. The baying mob sreech encouragement to eachother to get progressively more disproporionate. The subtext is : dont ask questions .<br /><br /><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12202181/Angry-backlash-against-Croydon-man-who-confonted-Muslim-woman-and-told-her-to-explain-Brussels.html" DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-19193058243468585662016-03-23T18:50:42.602+00:002016-03-23T18:50:42.602+00:00Much as ever to ruminate on AM. I appreaciate the ...Much as ever to ruminate on AM. I appreaciate the Catholic Church plays a different role in Ireland to most other countries, and you two are irreconcilable now.<br /><br /><i>"I am drawn back to the point that it the political power to enforce the texts rather than the texts themselves is where the problem really resides."</i><br /><br />With the caveat im probably setting myself up forDaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60246635452963163732016-03-23T15:40:06.886+00:002016-03-23T15:40:06.886+00:00DaithiD,
Nobody seriously uses them as example of...DaithiD,<br /><br /><i>Nobody seriously uses them as example of whats permissible.</i><br /><br />Which is the point I have sought to make with you in earlier debates: it is about interpreting the text. If the biblical literalists had their way and had state power they would be enforcing as much of it as they could. And they would we reinforcing what is in their good book. <br /><br />The NT, in AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89899325993692318222016-03-23T13:50:46.807+00:002016-03-23T13:50:46.807+00:00DD
Well it wasn't so much as you approaching ...DD<br /><br />Well it wasn't so much as you approaching it in spiritual terms than how else can you discuss belief in satanic evil in this world as the gateway to heavenly/spiritual delights of rivers of wine and deflowering unlimited virgins in the next life?<br /> <br />How does the average Muslim reconcile that the highest attributes of Islamic Heaven is no better than a brothel of Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-19529427458358700552016-03-23T12:57:20.483+00:002016-03-23T12:57:20.483+00:00AM, the Old Testament in the most part is not an i...AM, the Old Testament in the most part is not an instruction for living. Moses killed people, King David was a bastard for a long time. Nobody seriously uses them as example of whats permissible. That’s leaving aside all the stuff in the New Testament which abrogates a lot of the intolerant stuff , and eye for an eye becomes turn the other cheek. Islam, the Koran,the Hadiths is very much a DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16106696946349167462016-03-23T12:35:40.074+00:002016-03-23T12:35:40.074+00:00DaithiD,
what is the difference between it and th...DaithiD,<br /><br />what is the difference between it and the Old Testament? If there is a difference are we not merely talking different degrees of evil? <br /><br />To borrow an old idea from another context, why doesn't every single Mullah kill a priest, Rabbi or vicar and be hanged for it? !!<br /><br />I wish all the deranged disciples would fuck away off and just leave people to get on AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-65335717854364681612016-03-23T11:57:44.653+00:002016-03-23T11:57:44.653+00:00Christy Id call it evil, I honestly think its Sata...Christy Id call it evil, I honestly think its Satanic. This is what “The Satanic Verses” controversy was about, Mohammed added something to the Koran that honoured some pagan deities whose members he was seeking to appease. When he realised that implications he renounced the verses and claimed to have been possessed by Satan, who he said was speaking through him when those verses were recited. IdDaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-88870616977024255702016-03-22T23:00:41.584+00:002016-03-22T23:00:41.584+00:00DD, I think Sharia Law makes evil deeds a worldly ...DD, I think Sharia Law makes evil deeds a worldly menace for spiritual pursuit.Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-43559483933907093002016-03-22T21:52:50.159+00:002016-03-22T21:52:50.159+00:00Awwwww. But I used to think skinny jeans were cool...Awwwww. But I used to think skinny jeans were cool too, my judgement is admittedly suspect .DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-65459012776090896042016-03-22T21:46:16.603+00:002016-03-22T21:46:16.603+00:00I got all that but found it flat. He has written m...I got all that but found it flat. He has written much better. I only read it because you referred to it as brilliant. Eye of the beholder I guessAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74312044150387734282016-03-22T21:44:05.770+00:002016-03-22T21:44:05.770+00:00Perhaps he doesnt address anything profound, its f...Perhaps he doesnt address anything profound, its focus is on the everyday mundane response from people who can but fall into pattern. I think this formulaic response is a key component to removing the emotion from tragedies,stripping the narrative of anything dangerous to the comfortable consensus enjoyed by opinion formers and politicians. Plus its always a bit of a tease to let them know how DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35820935383949052452016-03-22T21:28:31.084+00:002016-03-22T21:28:31.084+00:00What makes it brilliant? I found it pretty mundane...What makes it brilliant? I found it pretty mundane. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87861211388567159412016-03-22T20:59:05.185+00:002016-03-22T20:59:05.185+00:00Its Sharia Law that extends Islam beyond a spiritu...Its Sharia Law that extends Islam beyond a spiritual pursuit and into a legal and economic framework. As such I see the Islamist/Muslim distinction as false.<br /> <br />This is a fantastic piece by Douglas Murray, reading it gives a sense of sick familiarity:<br /><br /><a href="http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/a-terrorist-attack-has-happened-in-europe-let-the-standard-response-begin/" rel="DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.com