tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post5119080010601732972..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Honest Debate Needed To Secure Future Of Irish Republicanism AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23786179362154222862019-07-06T16:12:46.828+01:002019-07-06T16:12:46.828+01:00Personally, I don't think Stormont should retu...Personally, I don't think Stormont should return unless we get LGBT rights, women's rights and language rights on a par with those in the rest of Ireland and in Britain.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029656112153509987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67102530339723559482019-07-06T10:34:16.716+01:002019-07-06T10:34:16.716+01:00it will not be easy to end it in the context of ma...it will not be easy to end it in the context of mandatory coalition. Nor am I sure there is a great appetite either for it back or for the status quo to continue. Indifference seems the prevalent attitude. The municipal services still function much as before so the energy that would be needed to relaunch does not seem to be there. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32475045206858000442019-07-06T09:38:00.933+01:002019-07-06T09:38:00.933+01:00The biggest weakness on the current arrangement is...The biggest weakness on the current arrangement is that either side can shut Stormont down at the drop pf a hat. Would the Shinners have walked out if the knew the unionists could stay? Absolutely not.<br />Stormont must be the only assembly in the world which ca be shut down indefinitely by a minority group<br /> This has to end.Tonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29474898401886108112019-07-06T00:11:10.010+01:002019-07-06T00:11:10.010+01:00The 1998 Agreement simply underpinned the unionist...The 1998 Agreement simply underpinned the unionist veto and that was the principle reason that traditional republicans rejected it. It effectively binned the concept, and historic definition of Ireland as a nation, and the Irish people as a single unit of decision making. This again is a denial of Ireland's claim to a distinct national identity and a denial of All-Ireland democracy. <br /><brDes Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637337143101230074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13257060146599623202019-07-05T11:32:31.078+01:002019-07-05T11:32:31.078+01:00The 1998 Agreement simply underpinned the unionist...The 1998 Agreement simply underpinned the unionist veto and that was the principle reason that traditional republicans rejected it. It effectively binned the concept, and historic definition of Ireland as a nation, and the Irish people as a single unit of decision making. This again is a denial of Ireland's claim to a distinct national identity and a denial of All-Ireland democracy. <br /><Des Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637337143101230074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16470789045700415282019-07-04T07:48:20.767+01:002019-07-04T07:48:20.767+01:00LOL - you should have made it into a satirical pie...LOL - you should have made it into a satirical piece for TPQ.<br /><br />A more worrying problem is that if I am unable to tell that you were not serious, how would others be expected to? It just seemed such a natural position, given your previous contributions, for you to hold. At least to me, anyway. I am relieved that you don't hold it. <br />Have to get on the road to Dublin so if you AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67829955208221904382019-07-04T07:39:09.432+01:002019-07-04T07:39:09.432+01:00AM, Eugenics! I wrote this story last night as par...AM, Eugenics! I wrote this story last night as part of reply I anticipated you would make, it’s kind of funny so I will paste part of it, I’m not remotely serious incase it needs pointing out:<br /><br />{scene}<br /> DD and AM take their kids to a play park. It’s sunny with a delicate breeze and the children’s laughter is carried on it :<br /><br />DD: I love watching our kids lost in play, I DaithiODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519696738788566997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-43673786354418912982019-07-04T07:31:17.717+01:002019-07-04T07:31:17.717+01:00Daithi - but how and who define them? Your definit...Daithi - but how and who define them? Your definition seems like eugenics. It is too much a mythical concept. What rights over and above others would this preferred group have? <br />I have not been convinced either by the transgender argument in all its facets. The biggest turn off for me is the attempt to suppress criticism or further inquiry into the phenomenon. If people want to be whatever AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-86121442259958252472019-07-04T06:49:59.117+01:002019-07-04T06:49:59.117+01:00Morning AM, a distinct people as in Irish, and I t...Morning AM, a distinct people as in Irish, and I think of the Irish people as ones who have remained in the location long enough for the group selections according to the environment to be expressed through genetic adaptions that are passed onto their progeny. Its not the only definition, and since this isn’t my area of expertise im quite open to better definitions.<br /> <br />As an aside, thereDaithiODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519696738788566997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62934007057257697352019-07-04T06:26:49.025+01:002019-07-04T06:26:49.025+01:00Daithi - what is a distinct and vigilant people? T...Daithi - what is a distinct and vigilant people? There was something before national identities and there will be something after them. There is no particular reason that I can see why a nation or nationalism should remain in place forever. What if people through mutual agreement agree to break it up? I confess to not being much of a nationalist, instinctively feeling more European than Irish, soAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66446592375619789152019-07-03T20:49:22.437+01:002019-07-03T20:49:22.437+01:00Oh dear who mentioned Kingsmill? I still have have...Oh dear who mentioned Kingsmill? I still have have scars from years ago when I merely mentioned it was an atypical and counterproductive operation for the Republican Movement. AM’s record on denouncing it is pretty extensive too I might add.<br /><br />Caoimhín, the Irish identity is being reduced and redefined (as with the nations across the West) such that our only heritage will be a legacy we DaithiODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519696738788566997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63894411099492704472019-07-03T15:27:31.583+01:002019-07-03T15:27:31.583+01:00Tonyol - there is really nothing in the piece that...Tonyol - there is really nothing in the piece that suggests unity is going to come about without consent of a majority in the North. The author might believe that it could but given that the entire article is a rejection of armed campaigning - a welcome perspective by most people's perspective - it looks unlikely that he is calling for a coercive policy, even one not rooted in republican AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55594306891043573472019-07-03T10:28:44.662+01:002019-07-03T10:28:44.662+01:00The Belfast Agreement (GFA) supersedes all earlier...The Belfast Agreement (GFA) supersedes all earlier agreements covering the relationship between The North, the South and the UK. Invariably, when a political proposal is made that republicans of any shade do not like, they will say it violates the Belfast Agreement and threatens the peace process. 71% of voters in the North and 94% in the South voted in favour of the GFA. The Republic effectivelyTonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27583299069017510792019-07-02T21:57:40.457+01:002019-07-02T21:57:40.457+01:00I whole heartedly agree that the release of prison...I whole heartedly agree that the release of prisoners is an imperative as I have already argued in my piece. I believe that the continued imprisonment of these young men and women is a waste of valuable years when their energies and idealism could be so much better directed. I disagree that Ireland has lost its sense of identity. However that national identity is most certainly under threat, and Des Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637337143101230074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54112838309959636402019-07-02T10:27:20.459+01:002019-07-02T10:27:20.459+01:00O'Hogain's tract could have been written i...O'Hogain's tract could have been written in the 1950s. He is preaching to the converted - who still seem to think that a united Ireland can be brought about without unionist consent. He does not address the virtual certainty the the citizens of the Republic (a state that O'Hogain does not appear to recognize) will not vote to force 900,000 unionists into the Republic against their Tonyol Dublinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18182098815007588271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72042172362732337052019-07-01T23:24:08.964+01:002019-07-01T23:24:08.964+01:00AM,
I get it now, cheers.AM, <br /><br />I get it now, cheers.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-49515681797415509332019-07-01T20:55:55.482+01:002019-07-01T20:55:55.482+01:00Ps my own view :
Just because had PSF advocated ...Ps my own view : <br /><br />Just because had PSF advocated a similar proposition too, it needn’t be automatically dismissed for that reason alone. For example, a complete cessation of armed activities in return for the early release of all the boys and girls doing serious sentences would surely be the best outcome at this juncture. I hope this in an option, though I fear it’s politically DaithiODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519696738788566997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85977558589581432552019-07-01T20:45:17.195+01:002019-07-01T20:45:17.195+01:00I agree with Anthony that the knee-jerk accusation...I agree with Anthony that the knee-jerk accusation of "sell-out" etc which is liberally thrown at any attempt to engage in a debate about where traditional republicanism is today and where it is going is based on a false premise. <br /><br />At no point have I suggested moving away from republican principle. I am a traditional republican who rejects both partition states. It is because Des Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637337143101230074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32957090915324695652019-07-01T12:43:53.245+01:002019-07-01T12:43:53.245+01:00We need an honest debate around honest debates. It...We need an honest debate around honest debates. It is the PSF dialectic pertaining to Armed Struggle around the summer of 1994. And current laws around speech will ensure the 2019 dialectic is as one sided as PSF would of liked it to have been then. <br />Tell them to stop, force them to stop , or suck it up it seems are the options available.DaithiODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519696738788566997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15608607270483545282019-07-01T07:14:34.571+01:002019-07-01T07:14:34.571+01:00Steve - no it is not the Shinner stance. To say it...Steve - no it is not the Shinner stance. To say it is leads to a situation where those who advocate thinking republicanism rather than the moribund stuff are opened up to having their observation rejected on the grounds that they are simply dressed up Shinners. The writer talks about a republican future not a Shinner one where republicanism is merely a useful discursive tool with the substance AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3023653066710407432019-07-01T06:12:09.036+01:002019-07-01T06:12:09.036+01:00Isn't this more or less the Shinners stance?Isn't this more or less the Shinners stance?Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7036550840534713712019-06-30T15:07:12.017+01:002019-06-30T15:07:12.017+01:00Go raibh maith agat Anthony. DaithiOD simply makes...Go raibh maith agat Anthony. DaithiOD simply makes by point for me. Any attempt to put forward a reasoned argument for republicans to assess the present efficacy of an armed campaign or sporadic armed actions is met with this lazy broad brush accusation of being a crypto "Gerry Adams" etc. Des Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13637337143101230074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25853612538374374542019-06-30T07:45:10.445+01:002019-06-30T07:45:10.445+01:00Caoimhín - fine piece. Welcome to TPQ. A much need...Caoimhín - fine piece. Welcome to TPQ. A much needed discussion. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-21970197979048637422019-06-29T17:51:53.258+01:002019-06-29T17:51:53.258+01:00Sounds great. Maybe a document of some kind is nee...Sounds great. Maybe a document of some kind is needed to help focus the honest debate you imagine? Perhaps call it Tactical Use of Armed Struggle (TUAS) or something?DaithiODhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03519696738788566997noreply@blogger.com