tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post4956391485436083635..comments2024-03-28T13:35:30.500+00:00Comments on TPQ: Post Punk Changed The WorldAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57736965325916781742019-03-26T12:16:12.891+00:002019-03-26T12:16:12.891+00:00Christopher this four parter on RTE may interest y...Christopher this four parter on RTE may interest you...<a href="https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2019/0325/1038022-whats-on-tv-highlights-for-monday-mar-25/" rel="nofollow"> My Tribe</a> <br /><br />Pick of the Day<br /><br />My Tribe, 7.30pm, RTÉ One<br /><br />This new four-part bi-lingual series reveals the underground worlds of some of music’s most defining youth culture movements – <b>the frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5069642622515540412018-06-27T21:28:51.742+01:002018-06-27T21:28:51.742+01:00frankie,
that isn't what Paul was saying. Wha...frankie,<br /><br />that isn't what Paul was saying. What he was saying was that the post punk period was COMPARABLE to that period of jazz in the 50's/60's where "...the artists turned away from the market and pursued their own selfish ideas driven vision and much great creativity resulted." And I agree. Take Pubic Image Ltd, who delivered the Pistolsesque first single 'Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27576585942064778152018-06-26T12:27:05.428+01:002018-06-26T12:27:05.428+01:00Cont....
, but also ignores the bands who sprung ...Cont....<br /><br /><i>, but also ignores the bands who sprung up in the wake of the first wave who were <b>inspired by the attitude,</b> not the music (Human League, Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark, John Foxx, Cabaret Voltaire).</i><br /><br />Take John Foxx as an example who's first group Tiger Lilly on their first single recorded a cover of a Fats Weller song Ain't Misbehavin. Samefrankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-43563127388183872812018-06-26T12:14:04.439+01:002018-06-26T12:14:04.439+01:00Chris,
I took umbrage to Paul's first line abo...Chris,<br />I took umbrage to Paul's first line about how Jazz musicians broke away in the late 50's/ early 60's and paved the way/influenced Punk. That's bollicks and lazy..<br /><br />But on a few points you made about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_punk_rock" rel="nofollow"> Rumble</a> not being the first Punk record. This is what Bobby Gillespie who frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76301046593808021042018-06-24T22:58:11.661+01:002018-06-24T22:58:11.661+01:00frankie,
"...Post Punk, or anything thing Pu...frankie,<br /><br />"...Post Punk, or anything thing Punk can be compared to Rockabilly music of the mid 50's and nothing else..."<br /><br />Sorry, but how can you possibly say that about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y1NAqQEWck<br /><br />Yes, the notion of the original wave of punk being no different or revolutionary from rock n roll is a popular one. Yes, the likes of Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-77500110914505321132018-06-24T12:24:17.460+01:002018-06-24T12:24:17.460+01:00"The post punk period can be compared to the ..."The post punk period can be compared to the period of jazz in the late 50s/early 60s when the artists turned away from the market and pursued their own selfish ideas driven vision and much great creativity resulted"<br /><br />PaulJPMN,<br />We must have read very different versions about music...Post Punk, or anything thing Punk can be compared to Rockabilly music of the mid 50'sfrankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1812029585155689992018-02-12T19:06:42.781+00:002018-02-12T19:06:42.781+00:00Well remembered re. Battle of the Beanfield. That ...Well remembered re. Battle of the Beanfield. That was a devastating blow to the underground, leading to people becoming embittered and there was (according to Amebix) an increase of heroin usage among such people around this time (similar with miner towns).<br /><br />That's very interesting regarding Tottenham. I reviewed 'A Climate of Fear' on this site, and I found it highly Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81628067687508253592018-02-11T23:24:25.831+00:002018-02-11T23:24:25.831+00:00The letter I got from Penny Rimbaud was in Oct 198...The letter I got from Penny Rimbaud was in Oct 1985. I should have mentioned the ‘Battle of the Beanfield’ where the police attacked the convoy of ‘new age’ travellers on their way to Stonehenge a few months earlier. I think that too was also something that made people like PR feel that the state (after the end of the miners strike) was now emboldened to brutally attack those it saw politically PaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73239497594017335982018-02-10T17:05:53.832+00:002018-02-10T17:05:53.832+00:00PaulJPMN,
That's very interesting re. Penny ...PaulJPMN, <br /><br />That's very interesting re. Penny Rimbauld. Bear in mind he'd felt compelled to place this insert with the Hit Parade 7' (Dave Hyndman from the Belfast Anarchist Collective) http://images.45cat.com/hit-parade-heres-what-you-find-in-any-prison-1983-3.jpg. I'd say you're on the money with linking the Brighton bomb with the miner strikes, as it was around Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14463823471921471632018-02-08T23:43:14.670+00:002018-02-08T23:43:14.670+00:00Yes, it was the night before St Patrick’s Day. I a...Yes, it was the night before St Patrick’s Day. I am not sure why I went as I had no interest in The Fall by then. Hex Enduction Hour had just come out and I still don’t know it. Mark E Smith had a cassette recorder that he kept holding close to the mic. Maybe there were some sounds on it he was putting into the mix but I couldn’t hear anything. He put it down on the stage at his feet and somebodyPaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62206909357541337562018-02-08T09:27:46.822+00:002018-02-08T09:27:46.822+00:00PaulJPMN,
Was the 1982 gig McGonagles in Dublin? ...PaulJPMN,<br /><br />Was the 1982 gig McGonagles in Dublin? If so, you're not alone on thinking that about the gig. If the 1984 one was also in Dublin, that was the night of the Brighton bomb. According to Steve Hanley's book, Brix got it into her head that the British were going to retaliate by blowing up Belfast (where the next gig was) and refused to come out of the Europa. So they Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14304359243482802492018-02-08T01:09:16.769+00:002018-02-08T01:09:16.769+00:00
CO
You are right about The Fall still coming up ...<br />CO<br /><br />You are right about The Fall still coming up with great songs periodically. BBC Radio 6 replayed a Fall doc after MES death and I was surprised how good some of the career spanning tracks were. I saw The Fall in 82 and 84. In 82 they were a shambles. I cannot remember anything about the 84 gig! On record only for me.<br /><br />Thanks for the link. I see Penny Rimbaud replied PaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31524091689830326532018-02-06T13:00:35.756+00:002018-02-06T13:00:35.756+00:00PaulJPMN,
The Fall were a strange band. Although ...PaulJPMN,<br /><br />The Fall were a strange band. Although their peak (for me) was 1979-1983 (Dragnet through to Perverted by Language), they always delivered a handful of great songs on each album right up until the end. Bend Sinister (1986), The Infotainment Scam (1993), Fall Heads Roll (2005) and Sub-Lingual Tablet (2015) are the best post peak albums.<br /><br />Steve Ignorant nowadays will Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51766708500545072062018-02-03T18:51:30.788+00:002018-02-03T18:51:30.788+00:00Peter,
practice what you preach and throw us a sp...Peter,<br /><br />practice what you preach and throw us a sporting piece!!!AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66896976944262151752018-02-03T11:01:34.011+00:002018-02-03T11:01:34.011+00:00AM
Indeed, we have argued Irish politics into a co...AM<br />Indeed, we have argued Irish politics into a coma. More footy and music please.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81020503818546604752018-02-03T07:24:27.201+00:002018-02-03T07:24:27.201+00:00Great review followed by commentary which felt lik...Great review followed by commentary which felt like a breath of fresh air - something totally different from the stale political discourse we are so used to hereAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69382154608130131692018-01-31T23:50:09.794+00:002018-01-31T23:50:09.794+00:00Someone I know posted a list of their favourite Fa...Someone I know posted a list of their favourite Fall tracks online after the death of Mark E Smith. The guy is only a few years younger than me but I don’t know any of the tracks he posted! His Fall era is years down the line from mine.<br /><br />I don’t think Crass had much influence around the time of the 79 election, it came later, seemed to hit a peak around 81/82. I used to write to Steve PaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29739981624519428282018-01-30T21:16:13.833+00:002018-01-30T21:16:13.833+00:00PaulJPMN,
I would certainly agree with you about ...PaulJPMN,<br /><br />I would certainly agree with you about age playing a factor in the individual's perception of a certain period of time (hence the various remarks I've heard from people over the years which are a variation on the old "there was no good music after (insert time period)."<br /><br />Agreed about Red Wedge, but not about Crass. Today, they will tell you that Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-24788150818124551102018-01-30T20:16:35.464+00:002018-01-30T20:16:35.464+00:00Christopher
Thanks for reading and replying.
I t...Christopher<br /><br />Thanks for reading and replying.<br /><br />I think it is an age thing, something hit me at a certain age. By 1981 I was no longer listening to Peel though still buying records and going to see bands through the early/mid 80s. <br /><br />Red Wedge was an attempt to get young people to vote for the Labour Party. When anyone tries to get young people more involved in PaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14823130526894598092018-01-30T02:56:06.832+00:002018-01-30T02:56:06.832+00:00Niall
The great post punk albums never sold that m...Niall<br />The great post punk albums never sold that much - albums by ELO and Supertramp were the big sellers in 79. But John Peel had his biggest audience in that period and was at his most influential. NME and Melody Maker likewise. <br /><br />Peter<br />It’s just my personal perspective re 1979. 1980 was great too, just less so. I love ‘Kaleidoscope’ and saw the Banshees live in 1980 (and PaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17856558716948368572018-01-29T20:12:49.487+00:002018-01-29T20:12:49.487+00:00PaulJPMN,
Thanks for the passionate reply. I real...PaulJPMN,<br /><br />Thanks for the passionate reply. I really enjoyed reading that. Good to see someone else with such an awareness for this period.<br /><br />However, I am going to have to disagree with you on a few points:<br /><br />1 - 1979 was definitely a high point of creativity, but the pinnacle? Can't agree with that at all. What's This For...!, Solid Gold, Flowers of Romance, Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91332055917837090232018-01-29T18:57:47.199+00:002018-01-29T18:57:47.199+00:00The Smiths are my favourite band, and Morrissey wo...The Smiths are my favourite band, and Morrissey would claim to be a Provo supporter In the 80’s, and generally anti-Thatcher in a few songs.Its not one of their best, but A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours is said to be about the Republican Movement.DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7551442193452481952018-01-29T11:02:47.888+00:002018-01-29T11:02:47.888+00:00PaulJPNM
I don't think 1979 was the height of ...PaulJPNM<br />I don't think 1979 was the height of the post-punk scene. 1980 saw the release of Siouxsie's Kaleidoscope, Joy Division's Closer, SLF's Nobody's Heroes (and Hanx the greatest live album of all time!) and The Jam's Sound Affects plus the arrival of bands like Echo & the Bunnymen and Killing Joke. But I agree that it was pretty much all over by '81 and Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50809292757081444232018-01-29T09:33:12.237+00:002018-01-29T09:33:12.237+00:00Having lived through the Punk era and experienced ...Having lived through the Punk era and experienced it first hand I find it difficult to associate that era with being anything other than a music / fashion trend that disappeared as quickly as it had emerged....we didn't care about the impact on society and we certainly didn't care about the quality of the music....look at SLF...what a seriously crap band but we still went to see them but Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66156434200408501732018-01-28T23:30:44.244+00:002018-01-28T23:30:44.244+00:00The post punk period can be compared to the period...The post punk period can be compared to the period of jazz in the late 50s/early 60s when the artists turned away from the market and pursued their own selfish ideas driven vision and much great creativity resulted. I would say 1979 was the high point of post punk creativity rather than the starting point. The Slits debut session for John Peel in September 1977 was the first sign that things werePaulJPMNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13509217787466468416noreply@blogger.com