tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post4711461974827990933..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Department of Homeland Security Demands Surrender Of Irish Businessman For DeportationAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52731674385812120582016-03-28T15:43:25.579+01:002016-03-28T15:43:25.579+01:00Anyone else think it's a bit of a coincidence ...Anyone else think it's a bit of a coincidence that this arises now. 99% sure that the Judge referred to has a brother who's running for President on an anti-immigration ticket! just a thought .Msspikemilliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251948133366451535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-33148966612793661732016-03-28T15:30:09.353+01:002016-03-28T15:30:09.353+01:00Steve,
no offence caused. Just a difference of op...Steve,<br /><br />no offence caused. Just a difference of opinion, rationally argued out.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90049041925749721402016-03-28T11:19:14.708+01:002016-03-28T11:19:14.708+01:00Too true AM, too true.
Apologies for any offence....Too true AM, too true.<br /><br />Apologies for any offence.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59827840883130640212016-03-28T02:27:05.464+01:002016-03-28T02:27:05.464+01:00Um...anyone concerned about Malachy McAllister and...Um...anyone concerned about Malachy McAllister and his family? I care deeply about Pat Finucane and his legacy, but the here and now is about the McAllister family.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893327937699927415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32425484772844948852016-03-27T22:34:26.936+01:002016-03-27T22:34:26.936+01:00Steve,
the fact that he was a Catholic didn't...Steve,<br /><br />the fact that he was a Catholic didn't have to come up because labelling him a Provo lawyer was a better rationale for not having to address the manner of his death. And it was mirrored within the nationalist community when innocent Protestants were killed: a <i>they weren't killed for nothing</i> type perspective. If we strip people of their innocence and ascribe to AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38449176859258048382016-03-27T22:13:53.551+01:002016-03-27T22:13:53.551+01:00AM
As I admitted above, yes I probably am shaped ...AM<br /><br />As I admitted above, yes I probably am shaped by my own prejudices, but unfortunately that is how Finucane was viewed in the community I was brought up in. Curiously, now I think back to it, the fact that he was catholic never even entered into any conversations I remember about it at the time. You may laugh but it's true.<br /><br />All of us have biases, for some reason Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-30605587227994892162016-03-27T18:08:21.839+01:002016-03-27T18:08:21.839+01:00Robert,
doubtless, some employ the tag for politi...Robert,<br /><br />doubtless, some employ the tag for politically derivative purposes. Equally, others deny it for the same. <br /><br />I tend not to use the term as a pre-fix for Pat or other lawyers in the North. But as Pat was involved in pushing human rights issues outside of the defendants he represented, the term Human Rights lawyer is apt. If Dessie Boal did likewise, rather than functionAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51106488169852272362016-03-27T17:45:40.994+01:002016-03-27T17:45:40.994+01:00Anthony,
The description of Pat Finucane as a Hu...Anthony,<br /><br /><br />The description of Pat Finucane as a Human Rights Lawyer as opposed to a solicitor, it appears to me has a political context. Dessie Boal's career of advocacy far exceeds that of Finucane yet never once have I read or heard of Boal being described in that vain. Dessie was perhaps responsible for the acquittals of more republican defendants than Pat yet was not Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72598611140043999822016-03-27T15:22:39.094+01:002016-03-27T15:22:39.094+01:00If people were targeted for no reason other than b...If people were targeted for no reason other than being Catholic, it is no great challenge to think he was targeted because he was a human rights lawyer. <br /><br />I think you have tried to reframe your argument which was initially not a response to a claim by anyone that he was targeted <b>because</b> he was a human rights lawyer, but was a response to a description of him as a human rights AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32307686269931535352016-03-27T13:17:05.092+01:002016-03-27T13:17:05.092+01:00AM
Actually, I have not made my mind up either wa...AM<br /><br />Actually, I have not made my mind up either way on this one, best to keep an open mind I suppose. The collusion and the horrible nature of his murder sicken me, but neither was he targeted for no reason, and I doubt he was targeted for being a 'human rights lawyer'.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57253726143877662892016-03-27T13:02:46.995+01:002016-03-27T13:02:46.995+01:00Steve,
the case for collusion was made long befor...Steve,<br /><br />the case for collusion was made long before the British state felt compelled to reveal anything. Evidence was extracted from the state who still to this day have been rowing back from truth recovery. <br /><br />Should we accept evidence of collusion if offered by the state? If compelling and in the absence of any compelling alternative explanation, yes. The obvious question is AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17983312576162470222016-03-27T12:43:23.502+01:002016-03-27T12:43:23.502+01:00It's more the 'human rights' lawyer th...It's more the 'human rights' lawyer that irks AM, he no doubt kept people who murdered out of gaol. While I appreciate (now) that he won a case, it still sticks in the craw.<br /><br />A bit hypocritical to bandy about human rights when he kept those who murdered out of jail.<br /><br />And yes he was murdered collusion, that's not my point, and the question I asked was that givenSteve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-2812838446168008252016-03-27T12:20:05.377+01:002016-03-27T12:20:05.377+01:00Steve,
how many brothers did he have? On what bas...Steve,<br /><br />how many brothers did he have? On what basis can it be said that every single one of them was a Provo? I don't believe that to be accurate even though three were.<br /><br />The average lay person choosing to believe the world is flat is a prejudice rather than fact based belief. Would you want to be judged on the actions of one of your siblings? <br /><br />Testimony from AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22664634953271026352016-03-27T11:12:32.712+01:002016-03-27T11:12:32.712+01:00AM
-agreed, it was an irrelevant observation that...AM<br /><br />-agreed, it was an irrelevant observation that I should retract<br /><br />-that every single one of his brothers were/are Provisionals, and one of those was even named by Maria Cahill as threatening her with 'letting loose'her rapist, would make the average lay person wonder if by some miracle PF really was unsullied by involvement with the RM other than a purely client/Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59664624014567403032016-03-27T09:57:14.797+01:002016-03-27T09:57:14.797+01:00Steve,
"still viewed" amounts to nothin...Steve,<br /><br />"still viewed" amounts to nothing in terms of what is or what is not.<br /><br />He is to be deemed guilty because he had brothers? <br /><br />He is to be deemed guilty because he won cases?<br /><br />Have you not considered tackling the prejudice behind such a verdict rather than deferring to it?<br /><br />He was the target of British state terrorism.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-28671983412793385152016-03-26T22:21:45.079+00:002016-03-26T22:21:45.079+00:00AM
OK fair enough, but that is a huge one for the...AM<br /><br />OK fair enough, but that is a huge one for the PUL community to swallow. PF is still viewed as being a 'Provo staff lawyer' due to all of his brothers being provos, and his repeated success at getting some nasty characters off the hook.<br /><br />If he had just focused on the Human Rights stuff it would be easier to believe.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66605207480456897672016-03-26T13:32:02.273+00:002016-03-26T13:32:02.273+00:00Peter,
a churlish comment which sounds resentful ...Peter,<br /><br />a churlish comment which sounds resentful of the fact that he has been successfully described as a human rights lawyer. No person or lawyer can champion every case or individual.<br /><br />In pushing human rights is there the slightest evidence to suggest he pushed them in the hope that only some humans would benefit and not others? You don't appear to speak out too often AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12313784666174769452016-03-26T13:15:30.960+00:002016-03-26T13:15:30.960+00:00Steve
You are mistaken. PF was very successful and...Steve<br />You are mistaken. PF was very successful and cared very much for the human rights of his clients. As for the human rights of the victims of his nearest and dearest: not so much.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72225141852654953242016-03-26T12:24:17.992+00:002016-03-26T12:24:17.992+00:00Steve
Because a lawyer happens to be involved in ...Steve<br /><br />Because a lawyer happens to be involved in a case that was brought to the ECtHR or represents a client complaining about police misconduct does not make them a 'human rights lawyer' though it is common place up north to call any legal ass a human rights lawyer because it makes them into something they are not. <br /><br />In PF's case he did earn it because he was Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-36939641716178125702016-03-26T08:44:22.179+00:002016-03-26T08:44:22.179+00:00Steve,
he has not been renamed as a human rights ...Steve,<br /><br />he has not been renamed as a human rights lawyer but has from his death been described as one. The real revisionism would lie in trying to strip that away from descriptions of him. <br /><br />Is a human rights lawyer a good way to describe him but not other defence lawyers? It would depend on whether he was involved in human rights lobbying/campaigning inter alia outside of AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27548199492391734742016-03-26T01:39:53.534+00:002016-03-26T01:39:53.534+00:00Wait, Pat Finucane is being renamed 'a human r...Wait, Pat Finucane is being renamed 'a human rights lawyer'??<br /><br />Fuck me laughing!! Let's be honest here, he was a very good lawyer at getting people off the hook and yes he was murdered in barbaric circumstances by evil bastards but quit with the revisionist holier than thou attempts.<br /><br />Human Rights lawyer my arse, this smacks of another being elevated to martyrdom Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.com