tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post4606841165370779885..comments2024-03-28T10:25:42.597+00:00Comments on TPQ: Culpability Not AbsolvedAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73284047279373577312011-07-04T18:52:48.913+01:002011-07-04T18:52:48.913+01:00Mick
It will continue to be an ongoing problem a...Mick <br /><br />It will continue to be an ongoing problem and not just in the UK. And in every society some children will continue to be valued more than others and quite often it will be their parents doing the devaluing. I have just not bought into the perspective that the social workers should be absolved of their responsibility in the case of Baby P. They were not alone but that makes their AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-71149294507713723722011-07-02T11:43:07.796+01:002011-07-02T11:43:07.796+01:00AM
The problem with this case despite all the bro...AM<br /><br />The problem with this case despite all the brouhaha and the way it was dealt with by the MSM and Balls, etc, bar Shoesmith and a few of her social workers, those who also had a responsibility to report this child's mistreatment did wander through these things without accountability or sanction.<br /><br />When the media and leading politicians are able to place all Organized Rage.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07627288401631451362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4012538513279609392011-07-02T07:20:53.696+01:002011-07-02T07:20:53.696+01:00Mick
‘Blame and punishment is what we demand, not...Mick<br /><br />‘Blame and punishment is what we demand, not coolly looking at responsibility and how a similar tragedy can be avoided.’<br /><br />Yet if people can wander through these things without accountability the situation will not get any better. <br /><br />‘These days no one in a powerful position takes responsibility for anything that goes wrong on their watch, yet we demand social AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90449136824247739112011-07-01T21:20:56.122+01:002011-07-01T21:20:56.122+01:00Mick ,
‘Problems arise because the case loads of ...Mick ,<br /><br />‘Problems arise because the case loads of the average social worker are so great they are unmanageable.’<br /><br />Undoubtedly. But not in this case. It was so plain to see. <br /><br />‘Sacking Shoesmith in the manner Balls did was outrageous, yes she must shoulder some of the responsibility for what occurred.’<br /><br />Procedurally, yes. But she deserved to go. <br /><br /AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-56681880788111341302011-07-01T09:55:12.415+01:002011-07-01T09:55:12.415+01:00Helen
‘IMO I see nothing wrong in holding case w...Helen <br /><br />‘IMO I see nothing wrong in holding case workers and their Agencies totally accountable if a child falls through the cracks on their watch due to incompetence, indifference or neglect of their responsibilities.’<br /><br />It would seem the right thing to do. Consider the consequences of not holding them accountable. <br /><br />SMH,<br /><br />‘The good old conversion to God AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12741016136801451222011-06-28T05:52:07.182+01:002011-06-28T05:52:07.182+01:00All:
Very sad and embarrassed to say that this typ...All:<br />Very sad and embarrassed to say that this type of child abuse is a common happening in the USA and regardless of all the policies and procedures put in place to avoid such outcomes, too many children are still dying horrific deaths at the hands of their mothers and their boyfriends. The system put in place to protect children is broken and it is not getting better. The government Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10519340357728564082011-06-22T22:55:21.751+01:002011-06-22T22:55:21.751+01:00Saint?Maryhedgehog,
I think it takes very special ...Saint?Maryhedgehog,<br />I think it takes very special people to provide that type of care.<br />I think those children are so fortunate that they have people like yourself and many others to do that work.Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-34515331829313684402011-06-22T10:57:48.409+01:002011-06-22T10:57:48.409+01:00SMH
Thanks for your replies they have been inform...SMH<br /><br />Thanks for your replies they have been informative and invigorating.<br /><br />Take care<br /><br />MickOrganized Rage.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07627288401631451362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74529924871527265362011-06-22T04:57:42.729+01:002011-06-22T04:57:42.729+01:00@ Mick RE: ‘We should also consider like many peo...@ Mick RE: ‘We should also consider like many people who have been in care, that person is liable to suffer from rejection and maybe from low self esteem for the rest of their lives. It is no accident a large number of homeless and jailed young people have been in care.’ <br />True but I also think human beings are strong and can fight through to higher ground – it is calling that up in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1375039080590030622011-06-21T15:38:41.630+01:002011-06-21T15:38:41.630+01:00Saint?MaryHedgehog,
My friend has provided a safe ...Saint?MaryHedgehog,<br />My friend has provided a safe haven for abused and neglected children for years.<br />I have seen first hand the absolutely remarkable job she does easing hurt and providing genuine love and affection.<br />Children may or might not love their abusive parents. I know they will cover for them, but that would probably be an act of fear than unconditional love or loyalty.<brFionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50669938214777171932011-06-21T14:08:13.988+01:002011-06-21T14:08:13.988+01:00SMH
I tend to agree with what you have written, j...SMH<br /><br />I tend to agree with what you have written, just to be clear I never send baby P should not have been placed in care, what I questioned was placing a child in care should be the first option.<br /><br />Leaving babies aside for one moment, the feelings of the child must also be taken into account. Believe it or not, abused children can and do love their parents and once a child Organized Rage.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07627288401631451362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74620007174808112022011-06-21T11:00:51.416+01:002011-06-21T11:00:51.416+01:00Where there is child abuse in the home there is in...Where there is child abuse in the home there is invariably an adult enabler of it... Very common for a partner to allow it to occur. The child or baby becomes the 'sacrificial lamb' Sometimes the Mother gets off on it all - perverted mode. Them the facts... Working in social work rips away any belief a Mother will die for her child or baby to protect them from harm... I have seen the lookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76700305099244871182011-06-19T23:11:34.470+01:002011-06-19T23:11:34.470+01:00I happened to read this link just before your own ...I happened to read this link just before your own piece, AM. It's by a family friend who's a novelist about often disturbing, taboo subjects. <a href="http://lareviewofbooks.org/post/6618909435/the-perverts-point-of-view" rel="nofollow">The Pervert's Point-of-View</a>. She examines why the attraction to abuse memoirs by victims persists as a sort of readable "reality t.v." John L. Murphy / "Fionnchú"https://www.blogger.com/profile/16616876266772470719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-82394873459608096072011-06-19T22:25:34.112+01:002011-06-19T22:25:34.112+01:00Mick,
Baby P may have survived if he had been pla...Mick, <br />Baby P may have survived if he had been placed in care.<br />That logic of keeping children in the 'natural' family unit in spite of evidence to support danger has been proven as misplaced and flawed.<br />Society cannot take risks with children, if there is as much as a whimper of wrong doing in a household, then the child should be removed until the issue is fully Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42736355317693111292011-06-19T19:02:07.847+01:002011-06-19T19:02:07.847+01:00When ever these unnecessary tragedies occur, there...When ever these unnecessary tragedies occur, there is a rush by the MSM media to put pressure on those with authority to scapegoat a few individuals and move on.<br /><br />Social workers are rightly taught that a child is best placed with its natural family, even though that family may be less than perfect.<br /><br />What should they do, take a chance with a family and hope it can be 'Organized Rage.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07627288401631451362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14617670062828695652011-06-19T18:17:41.771+01:002011-06-19T18:17:41.771+01:00Nuala,
it was sheer raw emotion writing at the ti...Nuala,<br /><br />it was sheer raw emotion writing at the time. <br /><br />Vermin is an apt term for the people in that house of horrors. The mother was no better. A proper 'Mommy Dreadful.' It was the defencelessness of the child who endured a veritable hell.<br /><br />I recall the case you are talking about. The thug was a missionary from Portadown, Geoffrey Briggs, who used his AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-44708904276449025912011-06-19T16:21:50.363+01:002011-06-19T16:21:50.363+01:00Mackers,
several years ago a Romanian baby was kil...Mackers,<br />several years ago a Romanian baby was killed here by an adoptive parent.<br />The child a twin, was apparently covered in bruises and multiple fractures which the state pathologist missed!<br />The horror behind these children's lives only came to light several months later when the second twin was admitted to hospital with serious injuries to the face.<br />At the time, a Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-8387958749382978382011-06-19T15:18:49.296+01:002011-06-19T15:18:49.296+01:00Mackers,
just read your former piece on Baby P, un...Mackers,<br />just read your former piece on Baby P, unbelievable how you can capture emotions that we all struggle to express.<br />Your are so right, that our minds do not want to retreat into such thoughts.<br />Anger, sickness, sadness, shame does not even come close, a person's head just wants to shut it out.<br />As I said earlier Mackers, I never read it before, I simply could not bearFionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17026667484264426092011-06-19T14:48:37.791+01:002011-06-19T14:48:37.791+01:00Nuala,
I first wrote about this a few years ago. ...Nuala,<br /><br />I first wrote about this a few years ago. It was both terrible and terrifying. I found it very hard to read. At one point we even planned on going to the London protest I felt so angry about it. <br /><br />http://thepensivequill.am/2008/12/lava.html<br /><br /> What you say about the real attitude within the social services seems so true. I think it unfair that the social AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52945073299353763602011-06-19T13:48:57.211+01:002011-06-19T13:48:57.211+01:00Mackers,
this is the first I have actually read wh...Mackers,<br />this is the first I have actually read what happened to baby P.<br />I know the papers were saturated with the story for weeks when he died but I could never bring myself to read it.<br />Reading this today, just leaves a person with an appalling sense of helplessness and hopelessness.<br />The very idea of someone actively setting out to torment and torture a child presents the Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26041707691077222712011-06-19T12:05:51.493+01:002011-06-19T12:05:51.493+01:00Marty,
the so called mother was a low life as wel...Marty,<br /><br />the so called mother was a low life as well. <br /><br />http://thepensivequill.am/2008/11/mommy-dreadful.htmlAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83564922126086839932011-06-19T11:50:44.328+01:002011-06-19T11:50:44.328+01:00Heartbreaking Anthony all involved should hang the...Heartbreaking Anthony all involved should hang their heads in shame, as for the bastard who inflicted such cruelty to that child ,he should be given an OBE yip one behind the ear.martyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09814904389826171437noreply@blogger.com