tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post4133863349270848913..comments2024-03-29T06:51:03.388+00:00Comments on TPQ: Paddy Joe Crawford: A View from the BoardsAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62082387639875462292014-01-07T18:04:36.948+00:002014-01-07T18:04:36.948+00:00Beano,
By informer do you mean he was actively wor...Beano,<br />By informer do you mean he was actively working as an agent in the cages?<br />If that was the case he could have been put out of the Loyalist cages and dealt with outside.<br />If he informed during interrogation, then that is entirely different. I think anyone who done that, had the disgrace of having to mingle amongst their own comrades and of course their own conscience.<br /> I Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-78529315233841533062014-01-07T11:37:44.907+00:002014-01-07T11:37:44.907+00:00From Beano
Sorry-I mis-read your comment. The r...<b> From Beano </b><br /><br />Sorry-I mis-read your comment. The reason that Hyde wouldn't have been put out of the cage is because then it wouldn't be seen that he was punished-my opinion of course. If he was indeed an informer-or was thought to have been one-the a message would have to be sent to anyone else who may have had thoughts of being one too. Similarly in the case of PJ AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26746843817468337282014-01-07T07:09:20.079+00:002014-01-07T07:09:20.079+00:00Mickey,
I to would also like to hear why you see ...Mickey,<br /><br />I to would also like to hear why you see no parallel in the two deaths.<br />Both brutal and both administered by the respective Paramilitaries.<br /><br />You ask Nuala to go ask the UDA why? Do you find the narrative misleading or is it too much for your SF is infallible mind to accept the fact that the narrative confirms the loyalists beat the young lad to death.<br /><br />Tain Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09441592658332493965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16181417755069261972014-01-06T23:10:08.740+00:002014-01-06T23:10:08.740+00:00Beano,
I was asking why they could not have put Ge...Beano,<br />I was asking why they could not have put Geordie out of the cage if they suspected him?<br />Just as it is a mystery why Paddy Joe was not removed rather than killed.Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-70669357165102332732014-01-06T11:51:23.856+00:002014-01-06T11:51:23.856+00:00From Beano
Fionnuala,
in the case of the killin...<b> From Beano </b><br /><br />Fionnuala,<br /><br />in the case of the killing of Geordie Hyde the point you make about putting the men out of the cages basically wouldn't have been an option-nor would it have been practical. There were around thirty prisoners-who were taken to Crumlin Road jail to be questioned. It is highly unlikely that all of those people took part in the death.<br /><AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-45729600205164749202014-01-06T07:51:20.999+00:002014-01-06T07:51:20.999+00:00Mickey,
Setting aside your personal intolerance o...Mickey,<br /><br />Setting aside your personal intolerance on the issue of suicide a minor but very relevant detail comes to mind.<br />The act of suicide is extremely personal and extremely private keeping in mind you accept the Provo narrative but where exactly in the cages would complete privacy be guaranteed for this young man to hang himself?<br /><br />It would make more sense if the man Tain Bohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09441592658332493965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83857342058362350242014-01-05T15:50:22.221+00:002014-01-05T15:50:22.221+00:00Michael Henry,
Why would I think the 'Dark'...Michael Henry,<br />Why would I think the 'Dark' ordered anything. In all likelihood it was Adams, who later acted as Pontius Pilate when the heat comes on.<br />Ask the UDA. A past member of a Loyalist group has stated that a man was beaten to death for allegedly being an informer. What should I ask?<br /><br />OR,<br />He would have received a Christian burial. The Catholic Church as Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32051232143241457712014-01-05T13:24:30.143+00:002014-01-05T13:24:30.143+00:00Beano
Very interesting piece, keep them coming be...Beano<br /><br />Very interesting piece, keep them coming because the experiences of the Loyalist prisoners needs to be told. The sheer boredom of prison is another subject which is rarely touched on, especially by the Republican side who prefer tales of the heroic struggles.<br /><br />I wonder if Paddy Joe received a christian funeral back then, aren't people who commit suicide denied that Organized Rage.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07627288401631451362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46314763293959855072014-01-05T12:57:01.362+00:002014-01-05T12:57:01.362+00:00Fionnuala-
Do you think the dark murdered or orde...Fionnuala-<br /><br />Do you think the dark murdered or ordered one of them dead-he Was OC of Belfast and a great friend of Gerry Adams after that event-he said so himself-plenty of times-<br /><br />Two men-one beat to death the other hung himself to death-I see no connection and I don't see you bothering the UDA leadership looking for answers-neither as anyone else for some strange reason-michaelhenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02922594308606665908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55403518412855838962014-01-05T11:13:52.772+00:002014-01-05T11:13:52.772+00:00Michael Henry
Two men murdered by their own, in pr...Michael Henry<br />Two men murdered by their own, in prison for the same alleged offences and you don't see any comparison ?Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12510976645170362532014-01-04T01:18:59.800+00:002014-01-04T01:18:59.800+00:00helped fill a tunnell in.In other words you worked...helped fill a tunnell in.In other words you worked for them..nuff said.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06064939271685098260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74699355171655161492014-01-03T23:53:04.192+00:002014-01-03T23:53:04.192+00:00Beano-
A good read of a bit of your history- I am...Beano-<br /><br />A good read of a bit of your history- I am glad you wrote it-<br /><br />The Attitude of those screws towards a dead person on the stretcher says it all about them-<br />With all those smirks-goating yous<br />-twittering its a wonder you did not mention this to the priest when he was giving out a cig and you were looking for more info in what happened young Crawford-<br /><br /michaelhenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02922594308606665908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75274105094092069992014-01-03T23:50:26.238+00:002014-01-03T23:50:26.238+00:00Mackers,
Some of the screws would have relished in...Mackers,<br />Some of the screws would have relished in such happenings.<br />It's forty years ago and it is still unreal that such things could have happened.<br />I know Paddy Joe didn't have a family but someone must have been devastated.<br />As Tain Bo has said on another thread, he probably looked on those in the cage with him as family.<br />What about the Loyalist prisoner, how Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31535179772597434212014-01-03T23:33:16.539+00:002014-01-03T23:33:16.539+00:00Nuala,
the attitude of the screws said so much. ...Nuala, <br /><br />the attitude of the screws said so much. And it wasgood to hear from a loyalist prisoner about screw violence. It has so often been dismissed as republican propaganda.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32513191312033144832014-01-03T23:17:49.595+00:002014-01-03T23:17:49.595+00:00Beano,
The beating to death is equally deplorable....Beano,<br />The beating to death is equally deplorable.<br />Could these men if suspected of anything not have just been put out of the cages?<br />It's the senseless of it . You mention the bold Scap only briefly I know, but therein lies the sheer hypocrisy .Fionnuala Perryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112456307341779243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35028243763169002632014-01-03T22:10:58.630+00:002014-01-03T22:10:58.630+00:00Here is a dimension to the Paddy Joe Crawford stor...Here is a dimension to the Paddy Joe Crawford story that very few seemed to know about before now. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67267259879584642482014-01-03T22:10:01.139+00:002014-01-03T22:10:01.139+00:00Great piece Beano. These type of accounts are so v...Great piece Beano. These type of accounts are so valuable for the record.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.com