tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post4127572887807238447..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Another Look At The Belfast UDA – Part ⅡAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-86753169043721156452022-12-12T07:42:53.369+00:002022-12-12T07:42:53.369+00:00Nothing but wall to wall gangsters in the 6 from t...Nothing but wall to wall gangsters in the 6 from the cops to RM!Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1407200668200359682022-12-10T10:47:17.135+00:002022-12-10T10:47:17.135+00:00They did face serious allegations of gangsterism. ...They did face serious allegations of gangsterism. <br /><br />What I found with them after getting out of jail is that the ones I became friendly with all came with a social conscienceAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16036891537098248332022-12-10T09:42:09.197+00:002022-12-10T09:42:09.197+00:00Fair point. Even today I can't get angry with...Fair point. Even today I can't get angry with the Officials. Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-58522461681306101842022-12-09T22:26:10.039+00:002022-12-09T22:26:10.039+00:00Certainly in the Shankill, there was a tradition o...Certainly in the Shankill, there was a tradition of left wing sentiment which fed into Spence's thinking later on.<br /><br />I'm guessing this, combined with a fanatical hatred of the Provos, led to the sticks to believe that the two sides had a common cause. Unfortunately, this cosy relationship meant a lot of downplaying loyalist violence.Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61401061246689794782022-12-09T21:06:55.505+00:002022-12-09T21:06:55.505+00:00The UVF in the early days were left wing minded.The UVF in the early days were left wing minded.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31615799615958634962022-12-09T13:34:07.270+00:002022-12-09T13:34:07.270+00:00Steve R,
his nephew, Ronnie, was jailed for OIRA ...Steve R,<br /><br />his nephew, Ronnie, was jailed for OIRA activity.Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61174300038257729772022-12-09T03:09:33.314+00:002022-12-09T03:09:33.314+00:00Christopher,
Gusty was seen by a relative in a ca...Christopher,<br /><br />Gusty was seen by a relative in a car full of stickies at a road block in the early 70's. Just another headscratcher.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-19244135208501633282022-12-08T22:04:23.767+00:002022-12-08T22:04:23.767+00:00Brandon,
The OIRA claimed they were interested in...Brandon,<br /><br />The OIRA claimed they were interested in building a cross-community alliance of working class people in direct contrast to the Provos campaign, which they saw as sectarian. Coupled with the "Joe McCann releases captured UVF members and Gusty Spence writes McCann's widow a letter of condolence" story and it's clear that there was contact between the two sides Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-43225501332476927882022-12-08T09:13:47.745+00:002022-12-08T09:13:47.745+00:00@ Christopher
I found that a bizarre story - som...@ Christopher <br /><br />I found that a bizarre story - some of the most brutal UDA figures (McCreery for example) seem to have formed working relationships with OIRA figures for building site scams. Steve Bruce in the Red Hand says that there was the possibility of OIRA leaving intelligence to UDA/UVF on PIRA figures. <br /><br />@ AM<br /><br />I think Payne had protection from some Brandon Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13846523287559978645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-62051317236558754002022-12-07T20:24:01.176+00:002022-12-07T20:24:01.176+00:00Makes you wonder if Northern Ireland had a higher ...Makes you wonder if Northern Ireland had a higher percentage of psychopaths or just created the conditions allowing more people to just be cunts.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-72566141170498043222022-12-07T12:11:09.629+00:002022-12-07T12:11:09.629+00:00Great piece of work Brandon. Payne emerges as a ps...Great piece of work Brandon. Payne emerges as a psychopathic gangster. Think it is much easier to conclude that he was being run by the State than Adair. I remember the deaths of Rose McCartney and Patrick O'Neill. The rumour mill about sexual torture and barbarism soon did the rounds throughout nationalist Belfast. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-53058744758146320662022-12-06T22:49:18.708+00:002022-12-06T22:49:18.708+00:00If Payne was under threat from the OIRA in 1972, t...If Payne was under threat from the OIRA in 1972, they must have forgiven him as he has been named as one of the UDA figures who dealt with Ed Moloney after the OIRA claimed he was an intelligence officer for the INLA:<br /><br />https://villagemagazine.ie/the-official-ira-plot-to-murder-an-irish-times-journalist/Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.com