tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post1745311646698611673..comments2024-03-28T12:21:02.309+00:00Comments on TPQ: Right Now, The Only Thing Staving Off A Collapse In The Social Order Is The StateAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-58433499111617250872020-11-24T17:16:44.470+00:002020-11-24T17:16:44.470+00:00Barry,
No. I don't see how you can say ...Barry,<br /> No. I don't see how you can say there is institutional racism when you have anti discrimination laws, that's a contradiction. The Rooney law will address nothing. What you're describing is nepotism and humans being unjust. How can you outlaw such behaviour, why would want to? The ramifications of such state control would be worse than the problem.<br /> Both Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-84233182093451503172020-11-23T23:39:12.687+00:002020-11-23T23:39:12.687+00:00David
Do you believe or do you not believe that ...David<br /> <br />Do you believe or do you not believe that structural racism exists in the UK (and the US of course) and if you do how do you think it can best be tackled? The Rooney Rule is just one way of addressing it in one particular walk of life.<br /><br />Regarding SC Kauvanagh, Professor Ford brought credible evidence of the assaults he had subjected to her at that party and the long Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5375518042355197352020-11-23T17:57:43.376+00:002020-11-23T17:57:43.376+00:00Barry,
So yes, you believe skin colour shoul...Barry,<br /> So yes, you believe skin colour should get you an interview. That's what you said there in a more eloquent way, eloquently or not it's still idiotic. The problem is simple, criminalise those caught discriminating. That's opportunity enough. Marginalised people don't need your patronising help, there are very capable.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39483166271277767542020-11-22T15:15:19.216+00:002020-11-22T15:15:19.216+00:00David
I think it is fair to give people from hist...David<br /><br />I think it is fair to give people from historically marginalised groups the opportunity (that is the operative word) to go for jobs in occupations and sectors where they are unrepresented. Skin colour/ethnicity should never be the only criteria for appointments.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42051991811896287782020-11-22T10:25:59.667+00:002020-11-22T10:25:59.667+00:00Barry,
It's an aye or no question. Do y...Barry,<br /> It's an aye or no question. Do you think it is fair to give people an opportunity based on skin pigmentation?<br /> It's not a strawman argument. It's very relevant. You and others said Kauvanagh should not be appointed to such high an office with rape allegations hanging over him then a year later supported a man for the highest office in the World with a rapeDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9084234522383770392020-11-21T20:47:48.894+00:002020-11-21T20:47:48.894+00:00Steve R
What I really mean is meritocracy is a to...Steve R<br /><br />What I really mean is meritocracy is a total mirage. For it is not talent that enables people to "get on"; it is networks and contacts that enables people to start careers and reach the pinnacles.<br /><br />This is as true for people of African and Afro-Caribbean origin today and for people with neurodiversity (I am of that tribe) as it was for Catholics in NorthernBarry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18629073056761313682020-11-21T12:03:26.586+00:002020-11-21T12:03:26.586+00:00Barry,
You really think capitalism judges by race...Barry,<br /><br />You really think capitalism judges by race? The elite clubs in Europe make their top players rich far beyond the means of the plebs. Do you imagine that a BAME successful manager is going to be obstructed due to the colour of their skin? If they are successful they will be embraced far more readily than most in the current climes! Capitalism and business is colour blind unless Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7332150889233964872020-11-20T23:36:30.877+00:002020-11-20T23:36:30.877+00:00Steve R
It is the experience of many from disadva...Steve R<br /><br />It is the experience of many from disadvantaged groups that meritocracy is a sham behind wnich the dominant groups with their connections, entitlements and privileges win out.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89684270817908598482020-11-20T23:33:02.565+00:002020-11-20T23:33:02.565+00:00David
Granting someone with the qualifications f...David <br /><br />Granting someone with the qualifications from an ethnic minority or other underrepresented groups an interview is not reverse discrimination as you seem to imply. Have you not seen job adverts encouraging potential candidates from under-represented and marginalised groups to apply.<br /><br />The OED definition of fraud is (1) "the crime of deceiving someone to gain money Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9221196496260238192020-11-20T00:56:05.031+00:002020-11-20T00:56:05.031+00:00Laughed at a meme I saw awhile ago.
" Cops a...Laughed at a meme I saw awhile ago.<br /><br />" Cops are sexist against men, there are a disproportionate amount of men who are the victims of police brutality"<br /><br />"That's ridiculous, there's more men arrested because they commit more...................."<br /><br />On a serious note, you can't have BAME managers in charge of multi-billionaire team just toSteve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32735311618823447822020-11-19T20:40:47.516+00:002020-11-19T20:40:47.516+00:00Barry,
It's not an insult. It's a g...Barry,<br /> It's not an insult. It's a genuine observation. I'll go a step further and say that BLM's endorsement of Biden and Harris is absolutely ridiculous. Both of them where far more detrimental to their community than Trump.<br /> Obama's eloquence is irrelevant, all that matters is his actions. There was no police reform under Obama nor will there be under Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13856292079737863752020-11-19T17:09:34.038+00:002020-11-19T17:09:34.038+00:00David
The shooting of unarmed black persons by ra...David<br /><br />The shooting of unarmed black persons by racist cops did not begin with Trump nor will it end with Trump as it is a systemic feature of law enforcement in the US. The difference between Trump and other Presidents is that he has constantly treated race relations on American streets as a law and order issue and has invoked racist police commissioners of the past by saying "Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-19944929052325221542020-11-18T21:02:20.302+00:002020-11-18T21:02:20.302+00:00Barry,
You said 'fully qualified BAME cl...Barry,<br /> You said 'fully qualified BAME clinicians should be able enabled to go for posts on the same level playing field as white clinicians' heavily implying discrimination. Then you cite anti discrimination laws which contradict you. There's a hole in your logic.<br /> You didn't, you said 'Britain like the USA' implying widespread discrimination based onDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16855565562102700962020-11-18T13:30:59.907+00:002020-11-18T13:30:59.907+00:00David
I never said that BAME clinicians are speci...David<br /><br />I never said that BAME clinicians are specifically barred fromn certain posts; anti-discriminations laws would not allow it. The barriers and ceilings to promotion are much more subtle and silent than that.<br /><br />I specifically said that young BAME people are more likely to be stopped and searched in URBAN areas like London.<br /><br />A Rooney rule would guarantee that atBarry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40033648845432382552020-11-17T18:46:40.289+00:002020-11-17T18:46:40.289+00:00Barry,
I've no misunderstanding about th...Barry,<br /> I've no misunderstanding about the British state. You made a particular reference to BAME clinicians being barred from certain posts. I was hoping you would educate me but instead you reiterated old points.<br /> BAME might be six times more likely to be stopped in England, I'm not English. I'm merely pointed out That was not the case were I grew up.<br /> You Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80112737028067843932020-11-17T17:21:11.213+00:002020-11-17T17:21:11.213+00:00David
Your comments display a seerious misunders...David<br /><br />Your comments display a seerious misunderstanding around how classed, racialised and gendered old boys networks around public schools, Oxbridge as well as in lower echelons of society still exist in Britain as reproducers of social inequality.<br /><br />It is the same structural racism that sees higher proportions of particularly Afro-Caribbeans being excluded from school; Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60329935076471737222020-11-16T20:20:11.737+00:002020-11-16T20:20:11.737+00:00Barry,
Saying that there is 25 percent black...Barry,<br /> Saying that there is 25 percent black footballers in the league therefore there should be 25 percent managers is an illogical argument. There's only one valid argument and that is evidence of people being rejected on skin pigmentation without that you have no argument.<br /> Is there an unlevel playing field regarding BAME clinicians ability to apply for posts?<br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13957111509039793592020-11-14T22:05:04.053+00:002020-11-14T22:05:04.053+00:00David
25 per cent of professional footballers in ...David<br /><br />25 per cent of professional footballers in England are of black origin but how many black managers are or have there been : Chris Hughton, Paul Ince, Darren Moore, Keith Curle, Keith Alexander, Chris Powell ... I honestly struggle to count on the fingers of one hand, never mind two how many there are. The comments this week by (deservedly) former FA Chair Greg Clark to the Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26180363010515788332020-11-14T17:00:19.357+00:002020-11-14T17:00:19.357+00:00Barry,
I thought I replied to this but must ...Barry,<br /> I thought I replied to this but must have not pushed the button, so I'll try and remember what I said.<br /> First off I've no doubt there is structural racism in Britain but if one of the most important ways it manifest itself is few black coaches it is hardly segregation is it? Have you any evidence to suggest it's because of their skin colour coaches aren'Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10665739517733211912020-11-14T09:31:57.073+00:002020-11-14T09:31:57.073+00:00Barry,
Some times I think you're at the ...Barry,<br /> Some times I think you're at the noise up.fair play if you are. I said no such about exclusively indigenous. It's right there above what I said.<br /> Your answer is just more virtue signaling. The point of his article was poor people are more exposed. Why even bring ethnicity into it.? Everyone knows poor people come in every skin pigmentation, we're the Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50463465481310563822020-11-13T23:39:16.423+00:002020-11-13T23:39:16.423+00:00David
Because Britain like the USA has a problem ...David<br /><br />Because Britain like the USA has a problem with structural racism as the disproportionate amount of black and brown victims of Covid-19 including the disproportionate number of black and brown HHS staff who have died due largely to their lower status in the NHS.<br /><br />That black and brown people are six times more likely to be stopped and searched by police and the absence Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74340326299135285752020-11-13T22:30:04.812+00:002020-11-13T22:30:04.812+00:00Every single article I read from the Guardian, the...Every single article I read from the Guardian, they bring race into it. You would think Britain didn't have any indigenous working class if you relied on their information. <br />What does the ethnicity of people alighting the bus have to do with poorer people being much more exposed? It lessens the article's point in my view when they play identity politics.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.com