tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post8957188272916563841..comments2024-03-29T10:10:03.288+00:00Comments on TPQ: Patriot Or Traitor?AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37940822237558276332017-11-16T07:29:51.269+00:002017-11-16T07:29:51.269+00:00Steve
Fair enough but take the spate of kneecappin...Steve<br />Fair enough but take the spate of kneecappings of nationalist youths and the recent suicides due to harrassment for example. If it was the Provos doing the kneecapping and the PSNI doing the harassment you would see Mallory and the Societies filling TPQ with articles, but its the Dissos and nothing is said.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14514294418987550392017-11-13T23:55:43.067+00:002017-11-13T23:55:43.067+00:00Peter,
Meant to add, I have to disagree with you ...Peter,<br /><br />Meant to add, I have to disagree with you regarding condemning dissident actions as I distinctly remember several commentators and articles on TPQ doing exactly that. Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-11190297294772528022017-11-13T23:52:26.112+00:002017-11-13T23:52:26.112+00:00Peter,
From memory even the alleged Hurst Documen...Peter,<br /><br />From memory even the alleged Hurst Document that was venerated as being 'evidence of State collusion' intimated that 1 in 4 volunteer level PIRA to be an agent of one of the arms of British Intelligence and those odds shortened to 1 in 2 'Officer' class.<br /><br />But then if this was true, what military actions can the Republican Movement actually take credit Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69622854099164392522017-11-13T09:41:16.445+00:002017-11-13T09:41:16.445+00:00Steve
On social media some are saying that MI5 wer...Steve<br />On social media some are saying that MI5 were behind the pipe bomb at Omagh cenotaph yesterday. Republicans blame the Brits for absolutely everything and think that every soldier not in uniform is in the SAS, and every time republicans fall out they accuse the other of being a tout. This shows a deep paranoia and also conveniently allows them to avoid condemning dissident actions. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17844024052572156302017-11-12T20:39:13.019+00:002017-11-12T20:39:13.019+00:00When I hear hoof-beats I think of horses not zebra...When I hear hoof-beats I think of horses not zebras.<br /><br />A singular act can be the product of many moving parts before. Certainly conspiracy, but let's not kid ourselves that a good old fashioned fuck up could have played it's part as well.<br /><br />The whole 'pin the blame on the Brits no matter what' mentality is beginning to seem like narcissism, especially since even Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60064800340865321942017-11-12T08:58:29.207+00:002017-11-12T08:58:29.207+00:00Sober points Sean.
I have seen nothing that would...Sober points Sean.<br /><br />I have seen nothing that would lead me to feel the Brits had a hand in the fate of either man. But, as you suggest, if it comes to light that they have been involved, there is no reason whatsoever to be surprised. <br /><br />AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46188765883231994842017-11-11T23:28:04.580+00:002017-11-11T23:28:04.580+00:00I think a slight confusion may have arisen in that...I think a slight confusion may have arisen in that it was the Kerr job where the state was thought to have played a hidden role and not the attack on Heffron. I could be wrong - or indeed it could be the case that both were set up by their own - but I noted when originally reading the article that it mistakenly places the Heffron job as having been carried out post-Massarene. I didn’t comment at Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-82561659959351146432017-11-11T11:28:58.312+00:002017-11-11T11:28:58.312+00:00It needs to be said here that the attack on this y...It needs to be said here that the attack on this young man was cruel, pointless and wrong. It did not advance the cause of Irish unity by one millimetre. Speculation about the involvement oF state agencies is just that , speculation. Wrong, wrong, wrong.Brian Patterson.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17596601319480633308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5065350135432361022017-11-10T21:02:14.455+00:002017-11-10T21:02:14.455+00:00AM,
Thanks for that, your previous article sheds ...AM,<br /><br />Thanks for that, your previous article sheds new light and new thoughts for me so cheers.<br /><br />Got to say, coming from a community that is encompassed by a siege mentality that Republicans are the ones who are plagued from many varied angles both inside and out!Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83147439056329683282017-11-10T20:42:11.947+00:002017-11-10T20:42:11.947+00:00Steve,
I wrote on Peadar Heffron a few years back...Steve,<br /><br />I wrote on <a href="http://thepensivequill.am/2012/07/parsimony-hiding-behind-legalese.html" rel="nofollow">Peadar Heffron</a> a few years back.<br /><br />AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69938077785709418762017-11-10T20:35:11.792+00:002017-11-10T20:35:11.792+00:00Peter,
only I have reason for believing different...Peter,<br /><br />only I have reason for believing different I would be tempted to dismiss your comment as the rant of somebody either blind or bigoted, even both.<br /><br />If the description "equally cruel, equally futile" is not condemnation then it seems you have limited imagination. <br /><br />As for no articles appearing here criticising the dissidents, you must also have a AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18073522802854814612017-11-10T20:28:01.807+00:002017-11-10T20:28:01.807+00:00Steve,
given that they allowed their own troops a...Steve,<br /><br />given that they allowed their own troops and police to die in order to protect an asset, it takes no great leap of the imagination to allow for the possibility of their involvement. The guy lived in an area where many people were aggressively opposed to the PSNI. You would imagine the state would have relocated the guy at least. As for them doing stupid things think of Pat AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4388209821507084122017-11-10T10:11:02.384+00:002017-11-10T10:11:02.384+00:00AM
That would have to be some asset!
Absolutely ...AM<br /><br />That would have to be some asset!<br /><br />Absolutely horrendous damage from a PR point of view against those trying to sell the peace process as being bipartisan.<br /><br />For the life of me I can't see PH being sacrificed for someone greater, especially since a much softer target could easily have accomplished the same goal.<br /><br />A very dirty war but even the state Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41257771872826176812017-11-10T08:55:38.114+00:002017-11-10T08:55:38.114+00:00"no one writing or commenting here has sought..."no one writing or commenting here has sought to defend the targeting of PH"<br />And no-one sought to condemn it either, just to imply that the Brits did it. There are never articles here criticising the dissos' futile and evil campaign; no articles about the maiming and intimidation of teenagers; no articles about the murder of Irishmen by their fellow Irishmen for no sane reason.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51375190972667653282017-11-10T06:39:43.307+00:002017-11-10T06:39:43.307+00:00Steve R,
"Any man with honour would have told...Steve R,<br />"Any man with honour would have told him to his face that they disagreed with his career choice, maybe even tried to talk him out of it, but to then set him up?"<br /><br />One of his former team mates did, met him in a bar in Belfast and Heffron broke down but said he appreciated his honesty in telling him to his face that he wouldn't have played along side him...Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29679060108036606742017-11-10T05:49:25.656+00:002017-11-10T05:49:25.656+00:00Steve,
no one writing or commenting here has soug...Steve,<br /><br />no one writing or commenting here has sought to defend the targeting of PH. <br /><br />PH expresses an opinion that he thinks his team mates set him up. There is not the slightest sign of this being substantiated by anything other than opinion. <br /><br />Why would the Brits allow the murder of one of its assets?<br /><br />To protect a better asset.<br /><br />How often has AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-64185617355017999672017-11-10T00:34:46.274+00:002017-11-10T00:34:46.274+00:00AM,
Criticizing is one thing, actively targeting ...AM,<br /><br />Criticizing is one thing, actively targeting is another. This also smacks of internal RM feuds. <br /><br />" Peadar Heffron grew up in a republican community with many of his family being very active in republican politics. He had numerous friends who became prominent members of the republican movement. He also has family who are at the very top of the republican leadership Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-82082669162365951842017-11-09T22:08:05.474+00:002017-11-09T22:08:05.474+00:00Peter,
for the same reason that previous cops wer...Peter,<br /><br />for the same reason that previous cops were targeted. <br /><br />Are we supposed to think that the attacks on Ronan Kerr and Peadar Heffron were somehow less justified than the deaths of David Johnston and John Graham?<br /><br />The more recent attacks were just as right or just as wrong depending on whatever perspective we take on these matters. <br /><br />In my view none AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-45718185832878995832017-11-09T21:48:17.069+00:002017-11-09T21:48:17.069+00:002 Irish nationalists attacked, one killed the othe...2 Irish nationalists attacked, one killed the other grieviously injured for what exactly? What "crime" deserved that punishment? Republicanism proving once again that it is completely out of step with the vast majority of people on this island.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15027470398152153427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-2579564870785725752017-11-09T20:34:53.568+00:002017-11-09T20:34:53.568+00:00Steve R,
Peadar Heffron's colleagues have eve...Steve R,<br /><br />Peadar Heffron's colleagues have every right to treat his decision to join the PSNI with disdain and the right to freely express that disdain, much the same as they would had he decided to become a priest or vicar. If he wanted to become a British peeler there is no reason for everyone else to applaud it. They are free to praise him so why should they not be free to AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-19697356717440773062017-11-09T07:33:00.618+00:002017-11-09T07:33:00.618+00:00Steve R,
Apparently Heffron courted controversy an...Steve R,<br />Apparently Heffron courted controversy and he made sure everyone was aware of his career choice. A trait that would have been exhibited within ‘the Force’ with his non-fluent Irish speaking and love of GAA which I’m sure considering his Unionist colleagues, had nothing to do with the intelligence regarding his life not being passed on. <br />And while we are on his career choice, Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20204079505921342322017-11-08T21:44:36.725+00:002017-11-08T21:44:36.725+00:00From the Beeb,
"Despite that, Mr Heffron ha...From the Beeb,<br /><br /><br />"Despite that, Mr Heffron has described the stunned silence from his team-mates from Creggan Kickhams GAA near Randalstown when he told them he intended to join the PSNI.<br />"I joined the PSNI as soon as it was formed because deep down, naively, I thought this was the little bit I could do... to help this island become one again," he said.<br />&Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.com