tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post7178558457944695818..comments2024-03-28T11:38:15.779+00:00Comments on TPQ: Ignorance Is Not Always BlissAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1304402944810461292019-01-03T00:22:42.578+00:002019-01-03T00:22:42.578+00:00Most sensible people know that all debt is eventua...<b>Most sensible people know that all debt is eventually paid.</b><br /><br />Most sensible people don't have a clue about debt because they are lied to by the system the minute they start school. Most sensible people believe that each morning their glass of water is H2O, when it is closer to a glass of fluoride laced with lithium. When you find the time Henry I suggest you to watch these frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67865825395682979352019-01-03T00:19:02.417+00:002019-01-03T00:19:02.417+00:00The intent which Frankie and yourself attribute to...<b>The intent which Frankie and yourself attribute to government and the financial sector as a whole remains, at this point in time, largely unproven.</b><br />Henry,<br /><br />Short version is people are told what to do by nothing other than a bunch of wankers in every sense of the word. At national and local level while welfare reform was being cooked up in some backroom (2012-2013) civil frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-24873280302270833542019-01-02T19:46:02.269+00:002019-01-02T19:46:02.269+00:00Christy,
the situation is that many elements of a...Christy,<br /><br />the situation is that many elements of all this still remain sub judice. As well as Quinn's case Denis O'Brien successfully secured an injunction against RTÉ preventing them from discussing his agreements with IRBC. Most other elements of the MSM have backed off too following letters from O'Brien's legal advisers. <br />The reality is we're a good bit off Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22984134479096409802019-01-02T13:27:19.437+00:002019-01-02T13:27:19.437+00:00HJ
Re: Bonaparte quote is not applicable. In the...HJ<br /><br />Re: Bonaparte quote is not applicable. In the absence of transparency we cannot adequately determine the truth one way or the other. Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69517423502337562442019-01-02T12:46:47.047+00:002019-01-02T12:46:47.047+00:00HJ
That's a rather patronising copout to avoi...HJ<br /><br />That's a rather patronising copout to avoid defending your obviously flawed position. You argue that, regardless of intentional secrecy, nothing underhand has been done by politicians and financiers alike in lumping the nation with private debt that will take generations to repay. <br /><br />You ought to read what is being argued and not succumb to your Frazier tendency of Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-24273401592933602712019-01-01T16:16:32.281+00:002019-01-01T16:16:32.281+00:00Christy,
its not unusual that people whom have ex...Christy,<br /><br />its not unusual that people whom have experienced excessive injustice would tend to assume when anything goes wrong, that some great conspiracy has been inflicted upon them yet again. Many of us who contribute to the Quill will fall into that category of having experienced injustice or of having our lives shaped by it. Our vulnerability to conspiracy theories is probably Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61420351536809368052019-01-01T12:02:20.373+00:002019-01-01T12:02:20.373+00:00HJ
My appraisal is tinged with pragmatic reality...HJ<br /><br />My appraisal is tinged with pragmatic reality that when secrecy is required it is usually to conceal relevant and available information: that if known at the appropriate time would have resulted in a different outcome. My position is based on empirical knowledge that secrets cannot be concealed forever... in addition, the economic bust was so significant that it will likely be Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20657823851233274182018-12-31T20:21:48.630+00:002018-12-31T20:21:48.630+00:00Christy,
from earlier
"Like all citizens b...Christy,<br /><br />from earlier <br /><br />"Like all citizens bankers ought be subject to due process. Where there is a deficiency in law new legislation ought to be introduced. Of course that requires active citizenship. It requires the electorate to vote according to their needs and their conscience. Unfortunately, this has not happened to any significant extent."<br /><br />It Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87108892755759046062018-12-31T13:21:04.077+00:002018-12-31T13:21:04.077+00:00HJ
I do not disagree with you on the ratio of hon...HJ<br /><br />I do not disagree with you on the ratio of honest/dishonest public servants. Transparency is one credible way to ensure that if bad decision were made that it was done I n good faith. We do not have transparency around significant decisions that have crippled the Irish tax payer for generations. That is simply wrong and sufficient to sound alarm.<br /><br />If you think Quinn Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87643929650087755322018-12-31T10:11:40.960+00:002018-12-31T10:11:40.960+00:00Christy,
an unquestionable trust in the Irish dec...Christy,<br /><br />an unquestionable trust in the Irish decision makers? No, I don't have an unquestioning trust in them. Nor do I have a fixated distrust. On the balance of probability I'd hazard there are more conscientious and decent people, than there are crooks, in the various departments of the civil service, including those of finance and justice. <br /><br />I do agree though we Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-15958032141270632952018-12-30T22:38:26.314+00:002018-12-30T22:38:26.314+00:00HJ
I am not talking about someone who could as ea...HJ<br /><br />I am not talking about someone who could as easily make a wrong or bad decision as a good or right one - by way of a reasonable judgment call. We don't know if the right or wrong judgement call has been made or on what full facts the decision makers based their course of action. Why are the identities of the private investors protected and not disclosed? We have a right to Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52651455551455658072018-12-30T10:37:09.625+00:002018-12-30T10:37:09.625+00:00Frankie & Christie,
in this world to a large ...Frankie & Christie,<br /><br />in this world to a large extent we're constantly moving in unknown territory. When navigating the unknown its necessary to tolerate risk and uncertainty. That to my mind is an unavoidable and an often unfactored for existential truth. To ameliorate our angst we all take our comfort in various ways, in mood altering chemicals, addiction to ideology, religionHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-53197664666378323382018-12-30T01:05:29.408+00:002018-12-30T01:05:29.408+00:00Hj
The issue is not so much about the choice made...Hj<br /><br />The issue is not so much about the choice made but who should and should not continue to be accountable. <br /><br />Irish politics is too often the art of making the disastrous palatable. The choice may have been made but scrutiny of how it was made has barely even started because so much continues to be shrouded in secrecy.Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87767815338652737272018-12-29T11:06:04.184+00:002018-12-29T11:06:04.184+00:00Hj- thanks for your response. It's thought pro...Hj- thanks for your response. It's thought provoking , i'll get back to you. Right now am going to watch the Celtic and drink whiskey Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23526472154684117582018-12-29T10:56:23.929+00:002018-12-29T10:56:23.929+00:00Henry,
Your second last paragraph was full of ...Henry,<br /><br />Your second last paragraph was full of 'if's, but's and maybe's', which in real terms means Jack. I would rather be correct twice a day than never at all. And you still haven't told me or explained how the banking system that you apologise for will figure out how to eradicate world debt. We know there isn't enough gold and silver mined, or yet to be frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67430901879647865602018-12-29T10:50:20.524+00:002018-12-29T10:50:20.524+00:00Christy,
we'll have to agree to disagree on w...Christy,<br /><br />we'll have to agree to disagree on what was possible and what was probable. For better or for worse the unpalatable choice has been made.<br /><br /><br /><br /><i><b>"Politics is not the art of the possible. It’s the art of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable".</b></i>,<br /><br />- John Kenneth GalbraithHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63654194483403612722018-12-29T08:16:34.029+00:002018-12-29T08:16:34.029+00:00Henry J
It is questionable if Ireland could have ...Henry J<br /><br />It is questionable if Ireland could have been kicked out of the EMU as it is designed to an 8ntegril part of the overall EU. It has no authority or function to police private borrowing and their repayments. The EMU functions at state level to ensure economic stability of EU memberstates. It can ensure Ireland repay its financial commitments but Ireland was not defaulting on Christy Walshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07529990561635818286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61732816726640323722018-12-28T23:20:09.292+00:002018-12-28T23:20:09.292+00:00David H,
as the old school master is reported to ...David H,<br /><br />as the old school master is reported to have said <i>'the only wrong question is the question not asked'</i>. <br />Unfortunately this aging guy, despite his bluster, doesn't have all the answers. However he does have opinions and thoughts on these matters. <br /><br />At the most fundamental level I think Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche nailed it when he said <i><b>Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26338489613244564982018-12-28T21:46:12.085+00:002018-12-28T21:46:12.085+00:00David,
Your questions aren't naïve. There are...David,<br /><br />Your questions aren't naïve. There are a lot of people asking the same questions why RICO isn't used against bankers and as for the cover ups by the Vatican...<br /><br />Short version is they all piss in the same pots, drink in the same bars, go to the same massage parlours and abuse the same kids...Then they go on TV at 6pm and tell you how to live your life and how tofrankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-44847897773332155982018-12-28T21:40:44.850+00:002018-12-28T21:40:44.850+00:00Henry,
Then I am a crack pot who understands the ...Henry,<br /><br />Then I am a crack pot who understands the banking system <b>OK</b>. If we are to evolve as a species then money (all forms) have to be taken out of every equation. Google Jacques Fresco A world without money....Watch it and watch it again.....<br /><br />"<b>whether they give out loans or buy securities is a debate well beyond my pay-grade</b>"<br /><br /> Here is frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-54390187030432674732018-12-28T20:53:58.933+00:002018-12-28T20:53:58.933+00:00HJ- Another query you or someone else could expla...HJ- Another query you or someone else could explain to me. If the US could prosecute the mob under Rico where if you could charge one with conspiracy, you could charge them all. Why didn't that apply to the financial sector? Surely what they done is a criminal conspiracy? Or what about paedophilia in the Catholic Church, why can't bishops, cardinals or even popes be charged with Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61507709198142181272018-12-28T20:42:21.616+00:002018-12-28T20:42:21.616+00:00Hj- I would no longer describe myself as socialist...Hj- I would no longer describe myself as socialist or even left wing. Nor do i subscribe to their theories. Your analysis of the ramifications of standing up to financial elite is probably accurate, that's kind of my point. How high is social justice in the priorities of our society. Do we allow people to commit crimes because prosecuting them would bring collective hardships? What are the Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-51648614421709534502018-12-28T20:18:56.165+00:002018-12-28T20:18:56.165+00:00DH,
as Richard Wemer states in Frankie's link...DH,<br /><br />as Richard Wemer states in Frankie's link banks are needed for almost all forms of economic activity. <br />My point is that they need to be policed. In the example you give the debt was socialised. My contention is that this is a better outcome than having the banks collapse. Reneging on the debt would leave those working for companies affiliated to the central union sufferingHenry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-11540523130810761542018-12-28T18:00:57.798+00:002018-12-28T18:00:57.798+00:00Hj- your points are always well made, I disagree w...Hj- your points are always well made, I disagree with you here. Imagine you're in your districts credit union and say the community has a million collectively deposited in said union, the treasurer of the union goes to Vegas gambles the money and loses. He then borrows a further 2 million in the districts name and loses. On his return home he proposes a deal that the union collectively Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59217878994455078932018-12-28T17:32:27.319+00:002018-12-28T17:32:27.319+00:00Frankie,
I'd like to think I've a healthy...Frankie,<br /><br />I'd like to think I've a healthy interest in how things work, how they realistically might work better or indeed how they might even work at best. Its a continuous learning process of reviewing and updating. I won't claim I get it right all the time but on balance I figure I do OK.<br /><br />In the end of the day there is a large measure of truth to the old adage Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.com