tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6979423236734442504..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Not To Be Waved In PublicAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-4755976066482523932016-11-03T08:36:57.945+00:002016-11-03T08:36:57.945+00:00Wolfsbane,
Argument by reiteration adds nothing t...Wolfsbane,<br /><br />Argument by reiteration adds nothing to persuasiveness. Message, man or both, we have had our say. The readers can make up their mind if they bother to follow. <br /><br />There is nothing I can see changing in the media for the reasons I have outlined. The media are not obligated to carry a message or an opinion. My understanding is: what they are obligated to do is where AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-81199984624472024592016-11-02T22:44:57.277+00:002016-11-02T22:44:57.277+00:00Wolfsbane,
I imagine most the problem with the As...Wolfsbane,<br /><br />I imagine most the problem with the Ashers court case is that they are trying to make a stand to enable their views on what constitutes 'marriage' be foisted upon everyone else. <br /><br />There is a bit of a political storm going on down under at the minute, were we have the right wing crazy Catholic governing party doing it's utmost to stop marriage equality Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29397626090427309702016-11-02T20:47:57.195+00:002016-11-02T20:47:57.195+00:00AM
Again, it was not a person that was being reje...AM<br /><br />Again, it was not a person that was being rejected but a message. They would have baked him any cake that did not have an offensive slogan; and they would have refused a straight man asking for the same cake as Lee. Message, not Man.<br /><br />'The verdict does not change in the slightest what you can put in the media.'<br /><br />I'm surprised if that is so! I had Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964418362730102151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-33266648468652003942016-11-01T05:03:07.580+00:002016-11-01T05:03:07.580+00:00Wolfsbane,
There is no threat to liberty of consc...Wolfsbane,<br /><br />There is no threat to liberty of conscience. Ashers can believe whatever they want. There is a threat and there always has been a threat to the liberty of acting out your conscience against others who do not want it inflicted upon them. A baker having read Mein Kampf might in all good conscience decide not to provide a service to a Jewish person. The law in preventing the AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-49703391122034067242016-10-31T19:18:48.677+00:002016-10-31T19:18:48.677+00:00AM said:
'>... foolish decision. I'm su...AM said:<br />'>... foolish decision. I'm surprised any thinking person sees it otherwise.<<br />Isn't this part of the problem? The religious just can't see how thinking people can't agree with them and because of that seek to Impose their correct "thinking" on those they deem to have blemished thinking. Thinking people can't be thinking if they don't Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964418362730102151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38117933858190203222016-10-31T19:18:15.101+00:002016-10-31T19:18:15.101+00:00AM said
'holding to the freedom not to produce...AM said<br />'holding to the freedom not to produce "offensive" messages helps create a culture which suffocates freedom of expression as it prioritises the right not to be offended above the right to expression. There is no general right to have your opinion protected from offence. It would be a disaster for pluralism and intellectual freedom were such to exist.'<br /><br />OK,Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964418362730102151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69581681858438171262016-10-31T11:49:38.565+00:002016-10-31T11:49:38.565+00:00as a partial ginger, il stop at ginger. fuck the l...as a partial ginger, il stop at ginger. fuck the law.goothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14677595363697845833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-28269279994432655122016-10-30T21:05:13.866+00:002016-10-30T21:05:13.866+00:00If you don't like a Law, campaign to get it ch...If you don't like a Law, campaign to get it changed. If your argument is really that strong then it should not really be that difficult.<br /><br />Ashers disagreed with a message so refused to supply a good that they would ordinarily have supplied. In doing this, they discriminated against people who support that message.<br /><br />The Law is for EVERYONE. Asking for your religious beliefs Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-30676599661518527002016-10-30T19:59:02.188+00:002016-10-30T19:59:02.188+00:00answer...christian cake maker harrassers. forget p...answer...christian cake maker harrassers. forget personal rights and neccessities. this is an order. i am ordering u niall now to stop watching telly, listening to radio reading newspapers for one week. happy halloween old bean. im looking forward to hearing from the new you in one week. its autumn. watch the trees. listen to the river. smell the fading flowers. touch the earth. see the stars. goothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14677595363697845833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31007513473632888292016-10-30T15:15:19.486+00:002016-10-30T15:15:19.486+00:00Goot,
Is it really a personal right and necessity?...Goot,<br />Is it really a personal right and necessity? By not reading or listening to msm (I take it that is Main Stream Media) you are not censoring, you've simply chosen just not to listen....their message still goes out.....maybe it's your terminology....what is a Gaylord?Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73726598560812661822016-10-30T11:39:28.320+00:002016-10-30T11:39:28.320+00:00niall, in a world of incessant disinformation, lie...niall, in a world of incessant disinformation, lies and bullshit, censorship is an absolute PERSONAL right and neccessity. i encourage everyone to censor the msm as much as possible in their lives. and im not down with gay bullies picking on christians. is this all the gaylords have to whinge about in a world falling apart. pathetic. and no im not anti gay, im anti gaylord.goothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14677595363697845833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9228027012627866082016-10-30T09:49:59.042+00:002016-10-30T09:49:59.042+00:00Wolfsbane,
holding to the freedom not to produce ...Wolfsbane,<br /><br />holding to the freedom not to produce "offensive" messages helps create a culture which suffocates freedom of expression as it prioritises the right not to be offended above the right to expression. There is no general right to have your opinion protected from offence. It would be a disaster for pluralism and intellectual freedom were such to exist. <br /><br />InAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13244129460296117402016-10-29T22:05:28.243+01:002016-10-29T22:05:28.243+01:00Goot,
Do you recall on another blog that you belie...Goot,<br />Do you recall on another blog that you believed in censorship at certain times!!!!Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10209201669807169902016-10-29T21:16:15.402+01:002016-10-29T21:16:15.402+01:00the gaylords are having their cake and eating it o...the gaylords are having their cake and eating it on this emasculated island.goothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14677595363697845833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27340486124765530532016-10-29T20:22:05.133+01:002016-10-29T20:22:05.133+01:00AM, no, it was not a trick question. I assumed you...AM, no, it was not a trick question. I assumed you would be consistent and hold that all had to produce lawful slogans that were deeply offensive to them. But I needed to hear you say it. <br /><br />I appreciate your integrity, but oppose your conclusion. I hold to the freedom not to produce offense messages, be it by Christians,Muslim, Atheists or whoever. I would not dream of offending an Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964418362730102151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35117575234098633032016-10-29T09:16:33.934+01:002016-10-29T09:16:33.934+01:00Wolfsbane,
the answer to this question is so obvi...Wolfsbane,<br /><br />the answer to this question is so obvious that it surprises me you even asked it. If you felt it was a tripwire you were wasting your time because it is not something I will trip over.<br /><br />I am not a baker but we can infer from my current take on such matters what I would do were I a baker. Of course I would provide you with your cake. Not because I would be obligatedAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79009127281339850682016-10-28T20:54:26.367+01:002016-10-28T20:54:26.367+01:00AM,
That's exactly what I meant.AM,<br /><br />That's exactly what I meant.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74429160383655352592016-10-28T20:45:01.725+01:002016-10-28T20:45:01.725+01:00They should have agreed to bake the cake but place...They should have agreed to bake the cake but place a £50,000 price tag on it....they had every right to approach it like that...I'm surmising that they dont believe in witches too yet I wonder how many Halloween cakes they've baked?Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-11974020780651592082016-10-28T19:26:45.200+01:002016-10-28T19:26:45.200+01:00AM, in another place I asked you, "Could you ...AM, in another place I asked you, "Could you recommend a bakery on the Falls who would do me a nice butter sponge, iced with the flag of Israel and the words 'Support Israel's Right To Its Land'?"<br /><br />I take it you would have no problem doing one for me if you were a baker?<br /><br />Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03964418362730102151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-45520840929440501572016-10-28T18:00:52.302+01:002016-10-28T18:00:52.302+01:00Aaaaah, no wangs were exposed in the making of thi...Aaaaah, no wangs were exposed in the making of this annecdote!DaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90926833245997500022016-10-28T12:01:16.454+01:002016-10-28T12:01:16.454+01:00Steve,
they were set up in that Gareth Lee sought...Steve,<br /><br />they were set up in that Gareth Lee sought to both exploit and exposed their readiness to discriminate against people on the basis of religious prejudice. <br /><br />DaithiD,<br /><br />What was I doing? Thinking and reflecting on a witty comment by a Swedish guy. <br /><br />They should not lose their business and any death threats against them are heinous and should be AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-47758813863797944472016-10-28T08:31:20.879+01:002016-10-28T08:31:20.879+01:00"McArthur's performance seemed utterly su...<i>"McArthur's performance seemed utterly surreal and reinforced the view of a Swedish guy I once had a drink with: treat religion as you would your genitalia – okay for your own amusement and personal use but not to be waved in public."</i><br /><br />What were you doing to prompt this observation AM, given your avowed atheism im guessing it wasnt proselytizing? <br />This seems toDaithiDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03154264514142897745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67988279148110986612016-10-28T01:49:43.550+01:002016-10-28T01:49:43.550+01:00I don't agree. You go into a business with a C...I don't agree. You go into a business with a Christian ethos asking for something against their beliefs and hey presto you can get a refusal, and then compo. What ever happened to the management have a right to refuse? I think the young couple were admirable in how they stood up for their beliefs. Not much loyalty to beliefs now-a-days. I dont see how its ok to criticise Sinn Fein for Gerard.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03755318383331114316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16252734422609427872016-10-27T22:25:15.134+01:002016-10-27T22:25:15.134+01:00Ashers were set up, and slap it up them too. Imagi...Ashers were set up, and slap it up them too. Imagine in this day and age whining and crying, trying to get special exemption from the Law for your bigotry.Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.com