tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6493672276950055102..comments2024-03-28T04:50:14.406+00:00Comments on TPQ: No Choice But to Take It: RFE interview with Richard O'RaweAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27552054455863701312013-08-27T01:41:47.100+01:002013-08-27T01:41:47.100+01:00Robert
Very good. I hope to laughing at it all fr...Robert<br /><br />Very good. I hope to laughing at it all from afar soon enough.larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-73185159006491790532013-08-26T21:21:04.278+01:002013-08-26T21:21:04.278+01:00Larry,
As you can no doubt deduce from the commen...Larry,<br /><br />As you can no doubt deduce from the comments here, it's 'grouse season' for the loyalists any time they feel ready. You have indeed proved to be personally 'above it' Robert and I salute you for that (Benny Hill style).<br /><br />A funny thought, but the exchange, which I enjoyed, has left me equating you more with 'Wee Jackie' Benny's diminutiveRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75679949348607661972013-08-26T16:59:39.929+01:002013-08-26T16:59:39.929+01:00Mackers
Correct. It is a mental struggle that I i...Mackers<br /><br />Correct. It is a mental struggle that I intend not ever to have to face.<br /><br />'The Goulding analogy does not work. It failed because Goulding offered no defence and believed the unionists combatants would listen to their working class brethren on the nationalist side'.<br /><br />And yet having learned nothing SF are 'leading' everyone to a border poll larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-56277422082427951092013-08-26T16:21:56.435+01:002013-08-26T16:21:56.435+01:00Larry,
I think there has to be a moral different...Larry, <br /><br />I think there has to be a moral differential between methods we oppose and the methods we use to express our opposition. Otherwise we just become the same as that we claim to oppose. <br /><br />The main point you make is that massacres are never justified. That leads onto the strategic question of what to do. <br /><br />Kingsmill might have made a difference in a local AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17126886312834910882013-08-26T15:46:08.981+01:002013-08-26T15:46:08.981+01:00mackers
we can talk around in circles forever. I&...mackers<br /><br />we can talk around in circles forever. I've debated this 'myself' in circles here 'til I can make out the shape of an Australian customs official in the distance below me. I am no closer to an answer.<br /><br />There is no justification for massacres. Possibly why the Brits don't attempt to do so. But the Brits do see them as a useful and effective larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31620816191880824572013-08-26T15:30:54.171+01:002013-08-26T15:30:54.171+01:00Larry,
I really don't think the Brits are hi...Larry, <br /><br /><i>I really don't think the Brits are hiding from anything. They investigate <br />themselves and find nothing.</i><br /><br />And your point is?<br /><br />You merely reinforce the critique of your own position which is one of defending the mass slaughter of a civilian population. That is why the Brits find in their own favour, find that they don’t slaughter civilians AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18776138843535596602013-08-26T13:26:07.359+01:002013-08-26T13:26:07.359+01:00BTW Mackers
check out the 1641 depositions, pure ...BTW Mackers<br /><br />check out the 1641 depositions, pure black propaganda for the Cromwell invasion and genocide in Ireland<br /><br />more recently the dodgy dossier Iraq, blatant lies for the facilitation of war in Iraq.<br /><br />and here is your typical investigation into more recent inquiries in Iraq and the Danny Boy massacre and murders in captivity there.<br /><br />"Their larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-80453837749334414542013-08-26T13:14:43.951+01:002013-08-26T13:14:43.951+01:00Mackers
Whitecross prevented any further 'eff...Mackers<br /><br />Whitecross prevented any further 'effusion of Catholic blood' in S Armagh. (to quote Cromwell)The Brits have been at it for some time huh?<br /><br />My point is that the holier than thou, head in the sand, position has never worked. I don't know the answer to their tactic, perhaps there is none. But like Goulding and Johnson before and SF today, wishful thinking larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57537818821374530282013-08-26T13:04:14.832+01:002013-08-26T13:04:14.832+01:00Larry,
you know what they say when you dig a hole...Larry,<br /><br />you know what they say when you dig a hole!<br /><br />I am under no illusion about what the Brits do. The point being made, which you seem not to grasp, is that even they cannot defend the actions you are defending - taking out a civilian population for slaughter. They have to cover it up, explain it away as something else. You make no attempt to do that and merely advocate AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-10484522291906676812013-08-26T12:44:28.827+01:002013-08-26T12:44:28.827+01:00Mackers
'It also puts you in a position where...Mackers<br /><br />'It also puts you in a position whereby the logic of your argument can be used to butress events like Bloody Sunday. Even the Brits don't go down that road any longer'.<br /><br />Mackers you need to get out of your bedroom more often ffs, what planet are you currently living on?? Jesus wept and you are an academic!<br /><br />Think I wrote an article for this blog larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20857512752307693242013-08-26T08:28:02.643+01:002013-08-26T08:28:02.643+01:00Larry,
all these arguments you manage to turn in ...Larry,<br /><br />all these arguments you manage to turn in on yourself. The elitist attitude is to be found in the stance that there are some people who can't stand on the pantheon with the truly elite and are therefore unworthy of the same rights. In all of this you have yet to put a case for gunning down unarmed non combatants either ethically or strategically.<br /><br />It also puts you AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25686604268169583652013-08-26T07:45:34.332+01:002013-08-26T07:45:34.332+01:00Agh republicans, those moral elite who would stand...Agh republicans, those moral elite who would stand resolute whilst watching the slaughter of their relatives and neighbours. What political fortitude they represent.<br /><br />All subjective 'tazering' of poor Robert aside, if I ever embark upon a political career I'll avoid a republican party for sure. I'd never measure up.<br /><br />As we know it takes quite some character to larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-28318664874899131242013-08-26T00:59:30.406+01:002013-08-26T00:59:30.406+01:00If you kill civilians just because of their religi...If you kill civilians just because of their religion that's called sectarianism. <br /><br />Kingsmill was a disgrace. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. I wouldn't refer to all killings as murder but killing someone just because of their religion is just that. <br /><br />Uninvolved non-combatants, guilty of nothing but their religion. All the PIRA's purposely sectarian Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15029656112153509987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12767048886829677002013-08-25T20:51:52.425+01:002013-08-25T20:51:52.425+01:00Robert
Everyone suffered terribly.
It is my vie...Robert<br /><br />Everyone suffered terribly. <br /><br />It is my view that the IRA inaction against loyalist indiscriminate attacks betrayed their stated position as defenders of the Catholic population.<br /><br />The only people who can toss away the victory for unionism now are the Orangemen and UVF who quite incredibly seem intent on doing exactly that.<br /><br />Maybe they have nothing tolarry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59482078250257254672013-08-25T17:29:59.691+01:002013-08-25T17:29:59.691+01:00Larry,
'I'm merely stating in response to...Larry,<br /><br />'I'm merely stating in response to Robert's assertion that the huns suffered terribly..'<br /><br />It was Richard's assertion - I merely quoted him.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66989452696921964062013-08-25T17:20:34.931+01:002013-08-25T17:20:34.931+01:00Itsjustmacker,
'From you , The word "Fla...Itsjustmacker,<br /><br />'From you , The word "Flattery" says it all".<br />I'm surprised at someone like your self Pertaining to be Intelligent slipping "Flattery" into a reply.'<br /><br /><br />Lacking any coherence or relevance from the outset, your contribution has now simply dissolved into guff. A Sunday afternoon best spent not attempting to converse Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10522188005971742857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9199800090150581882013-08-25T16:42:11.455+01:002013-08-25T16:42:11.455+01:00Mackers
I'm long since 'over' republi...Mackers<br /><br />I'm long since 'over' republicanism. It is a dead political vehicle here. All I am saying is that in the event that the loyalists predictably reject democracy in the future and resort to indiscriminate violence against RCs and relatives of nationalist activists, that to refuse to address the issue would be a huge mistake AGAIN.<br /><br />When an estate in larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-3215078372466178342013-08-25T16:24:58.618+01:002013-08-25T16:24:58.618+01:00Larry,
but it still does not answer the question ...Larry,<br /><br />but it still does not answer the question of our indiscriminate targeting of Protestants through fascistic actions for no reason other than their religion. Are you saying it is wrong but we should do it anyway on the grounds of necessity? If so, do ends justify means? And after that is there no such thing as rights? And if there are no rights what is the republican struggle AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-45617855880647807382013-08-25T16:13:01.734+01:002013-08-25T16:13:01.734+01:00Mackers
I read that article. Painful reading.
I ...Mackers<br /><br />I read that article. Painful reading.<br /><br />I just believe that in the face of fascism and indiscriminate targeting of RCs the huns got off way too light. Simple as that. Effectively given the go-ahead. And they promote themselves as the sole law abiding victims!<br /><br />The weak are the targets, why encourage the bully as you said yourself?<br /><br />'civilizationlarry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-79710794387181301742013-08-25T15:55:51.788+01:002013-08-25T15:55:51.788+01:00Larry,
Might is right merely invites us to join t...Larry,<br /><br />Might is right merely invites us to join the strong against the weak. <br /><br />But we were the ‘fascists’ in lining up a civilian population for the purpose of killing them. How do we address the question of our own ‘fascism’ if it is fascism you are opposed to, rather than just ‘prod fascism.’ I imagine fascism is wrong because it is fascism and not ok if Franco approves it.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-59144336243182399262013-08-25T15:39:57.767+01:002013-08-25T15:39:57.767+01:00Mackers
Yet those nations that won those conflict...Mackers<br /><br />Yet those nations that won those conflicts continue to dominate the globe today. Just saying that whilst of course you are correct, the image in the H-Blocks of the grim reaper tramping over catholic dead and a script saying 'kill them all let God take care of them' isn't something to be tolerated out of moral superiority. Our dead wont thank us for the morality of larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27765717833420857412013-08-25T14:29:21.500+01:002013-08-25T14:29:21.500+01:00As coincidence may have it, the following piece ju...As coincidence may have it, the following piece just came through on the Alternet list. <a href="http://www.alternet.org/visions/chomsky-classic-we-have-means-end-civilization-we-know-it-how-revolutionary-pacifism-can?akid=10848.277195.7NFVBq&rd=1&src=newsletter887050&t=5&paging=off" rel="nofollow">Something</a><br /><br />Maybe they are spying on us and are trying to shape the AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26796782325543075612013-08-25T14:25:36.596+01:002013-08-25T14:25:36.596+01:00Larry,
nor would I want you under my command in a...Larry,<br /><br />nor would I want you under my command in any conflict because with corporate responsibility I would be tried for your acts.<br /><br />That perps try to justify their actions would hardly amount to those actions being right. The perps that tried justifying Vietnam, Cambodia, Bloody Sunday, Dresden have all tried rowing back. Bomber Harris had the blame for the WW2 carpet bombingAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-56457680892085164872013-08-25T13:01:25.410+01:002013-08-25T13:01:25.410+01:00mackers
Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Belgran...mackers<br /><br />Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Belgrano, Bloody Sundays (plural and global) the list is endless and the perpetrators see it as an historical and successful tactic. My point is the same. The fear in the USA and GB today is that some marginalised group may perpetrate a fraction upon them of what they have exported globally.<br /><br />Good guys get their ass kicked. I would larry hugheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09837849309156970989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16057067012228868522013-08-25T12:22:25.649+01:002013-08-25T12:22:25.649+01:00Larry,
context is always alibi for the purpose of...Larry,<br /><br />context is always alibi for the purpose of either pretending that a crime was not committed or distancing ourselves from them when they are. Context is never a given but is always a construct. Citing context amounts to nothing unless the person you cite it to agrees that the context described is correct. <br /><br />In war there is a category that exists for breaches of war AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.com