tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post6426605063881865868..comments2024-03-28T12:21:02.309+00:00Comments on TPQ: Vinnie Ryan - Republican Freedom FighterAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-83824878522823441072016-03-27T12:37:42.253+01:002016-03-27T12:37:42.253+01:00Gangland wiping out rira
Gangland wiping out rira<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12071650613943648024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66137586018442792272016-03-10T13:53:00.552+00:002016-03-10T13:53:00.552+00:00So-called dissident republicanism is in disrepute....So-called dissident republicanism is in disrepute. <br />The leaders must either be foolish or totally unconcerned about the lives of their working class volunteers to sanction such reckless operations against armed criminal gangs with little hope of effecting change. Some like Alec would claim this happens, for nobel intrests rather than monetary, whatever - What type of military strategist or Emmett Groganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03761525073488146105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-1873857401155202962016-03-10T07:40:37.599+00:002016-03-10T07:40:37.599+00:00Emmett,
that the Garda arrested Alan Ryan is not ...Emmett,<br /><br />that the Garda arrested Alan Ryan is not evidence of his involvement in anything, just evidence of Garda suspicion or the manufacture of bias. As for Decky Smith, it just seems as sordid and inexplicable as the killing of Peter Butterly. I would rather go around the doors here as a Jehovah Witness than a propagator of the view that gangland style killings is the wrong AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69891196338572247612016-03-09T17:15:23.088+00:002016-03-09T17:15:23.088+00:00Alec, republicans, ostensibly, had nothing to do w...Alec, republicans, ostensibly, had nothing to do with the killing of Vinny Ryan but they spoke out about this. Why not Smiths killing? As far as I am aware he was a member of the group that the Ryan brothers belonged so remaining silent on his murder seems strange to me. The use of circumstantial evidence, be it to link the PIRA to a bank raid or the Ryans' to a raid on drug gangs finances, Emmett Groganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03761525073488146105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90393545850243590462016-03-09T08:11:30.026+00:002016-03-09T08:11:30.026+00:00Just for clarification, I did not suggest that the...Just for clarification, I did not suggest that the Ryans were licencing anything. What I did say very clearly in response to Sean's take was:<br /><br /><i>There are other people who take a different view from you: who feel that the republican organisations are involved in taxing drug dealers and in effect licensing rather than stopping the trade: that drug dealers are not targeted because AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-9240853386811525842016-03-09T08:06:11.044+00:002016-03-09T08:06:11.044+00:00Alec,
that is a very interesting concept you intr...Alec,<br /><br />that is a very interesting concept you introduced to the discussion - narco terrorism, but what do you mean by it? <br /><br />The original definition of the term I notice refers to drug gangs using terrorism to protect or advance their trade.<br /><br />I don't see where Emmett makes this case.<br /><br />The definition seems to have expanded into one where insurgents AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29832647180275283722016-03-08T23:51:07.742+00:002016-03-08T23:51:07.742+00:00Antioin sympathy to yourself on the loss of your f...Antioin sympathy to yourself on the loss of your friend, and condolences to the Ryan Family.<br />This is quite an interesting discussion. Always goes downhill when you start to hear people moaning and complaining about people being trolls an so forth. FFS grow up!<br />Anyway the 'drugs' debate always seems to throw up so much bunkum. I remember people going to concerned parents against Msspikemilliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13251948133366451535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-87612944738039508262016-03-08T22:14:30.050+00:002016-03-08T22:14:30.050+00:00I must preview my posts in order to correct error...I must preview my posts in order to correct errors. Either my hands are too fast or brain is too slow.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15337273301587452660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-31457659532996488752016-03-08T22:00:04.257+00:002016-03-08T22:00:04.257+00:00Agreeing with Mackers doesn't win you any poin...Agreeing with Mackers doesn't win you any points, Emmett. There was strong circumstantial evidence that the PIRA was responsible for the Northern Bank robbery, but where is the evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that the Ryan Brothers were narco terrorists? You have nothing to support this contention other than what you read in the popular press. <br /><br />You probably know more about Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15337273301587452660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-53942033252892578952016-03-08T19:08:44.933+00:002016-03-08T19:08:44.933+00:00Alec I'm not trying to goad you I'm merely...Alec I'm not trying to goad you I'm merely challenging your perspective. As far as I am aware Gilligan was a criminal however not a major drug dealer in the class A market. He was the biggest importer of class C - cannabis - a drug which should be made legal in my view. what hard evidence against him was there for any other harder drugs?<br /><br />Gilligan held the monkier "The Emmett Groganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03761525073488146105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-22446969605879899252016-03-08T15:56:27.183+00:002016-03-08T15:56:27.183+00:00Sean Bres
Re: Flip Flopping
Nothing is permanent...Sean Bres<br /><br />Re: Flip Flopping<br /><br />Nothing is permanent, the seasons come and go, all life is transient. Why anyway upset yourself if I manage to exit my trance and change my stance?<br /><br />The formal acceptance of the Unionist veto by 95% the southern electorate, in large part thanks to Adams (and his supporters all the way back, and never mind the policing line) is very much Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25608073238211138532016-03-08T10:41:56.070+00:002016-03-08T10:41:56.070+00:00Mackers, I misunderstood who you were referring to...Mackers, I misunderstood who you were referring to in the above post. I must take greater care when reading what is in clear print. I share you view of those who pushed policing over the line and delivered Irish Republicanism into the British camp. There are always grounds for terminating a debate if you so choose. As I have said, there is absolutely no urgency to air our opinions if by doing so Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15337273301587452660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-17116872615114957452016-03-08T09:08:13.276+00:002016-03-08T09:08:13.276+00:00I am not in the slightest put out by who reads thi...I am not in the slightest put out by who reads this conversation or how much my opinions might grate with them. As I explained to Alec, once you push British policing over the line, there is no ideological republicanism left. VI speed on the takeoff to the success of British state strategy has been reached and there is only one way to go - up. There is no turning back. The landing can only be a AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-11413713286523941312016-03-08T09:08:05.224+00:002016-03-08T09:08:05.224+00:00Sean,
I still think you have a problem with the v...Sean,<br /><br />I still think you have a problem with the view of Henry Joy and not the way he arrived at it but both of us have had our say and further comment will leave us both no better informed. Sometimes we ascribe a noble motive to a more base outlook. I have done it often enough myself so am not going to get precious about it but it takes reflection to see it. On the spot all we see is AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35909765860410168392016-03-08T07:55:45.278+00:002016-03-08T07:55:45.278+00:00Alec,
the nerve touched was the laughter nerve, ...Alec, <br /><br />the nerve touched was the laughter nerve, your comment really being so vacuous that the void was best filled with a laugh. Seriously, is there really any comparison between the arrogance of free speech and the arrogance of self-appointed executioners? <br /><br />The mask slipped - but whose mask? <br /><br />Your own perhaps in that if you regard people who pushed policing AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52959474589771375422016-03-07T22:01:25.507+00:002016-03-07T22:01:25.507+00:00Alec. The redtops' portrayal that you, perhaps...Alec. The redtops' portrayal that you, perhaps rightly, suggest are telling lies about the Ryans and republican involvement in gang war, are also the national source for outing figures such as The Monk, The General, and John Gilligan; all of whom protested their innocence stating that the reportage was lies - in that respect you both share the same views. Gilligan went as far as sanctioning Emmett Groganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03761525073488146105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74364281320596850162016-03-07T21:39:59.539+00:002016-03-07T21:39:59.539+00:00Mackers, I didn't for a second believe that yo...Mackers, I didn't for a second believe that you would take up my suggestion to terminate this thread. You are the master of the house which gives you the final say on all matters. I think you let the mask slip a little when you referred to "today's so called republicans"; a loaded statement if I ever heard one. Obviously, I hit a nerve saying that you often sound arrogant in Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15337273301587452660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-44486843231212378232016-03-07T20:42:08.718+00:002016-03-07T20:42:08.718+00:00You are spot on Anthony and I did not read that as...You are spot on Anthony and I did not read that as a slap but indeed, as you said, as robust political criticism. I do not though have a problem with anyone who shares the supposed political views of this Henry Joy, not at all. People have the right to their views, I wouldn't have it otherwise. I just find it incomprehensible that someone could go from staunch O'Bradaighite to the last Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-38508879708681779052016-03-07T18:55:01.141+00:002016-03-07T18:55:01.141+00:00Sean,
we shall agree to differ. My own view is t...Sean, <br /><br />we shall agree to differ. My own view is that you have a very intolerant approach to difference which gets you nowhere because nobody gives a toss and we are more than equipped for dealing with intolerance here.<br /><br />Henry Joy's odyssey is as credible as many others. You are prepared to be tolerant towards those whose summersaults you would not witness in a circus but AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69382627940103148452016-03-07T18:08:55.518+00:002016-03-07T18:08:55.518+00:00Anthony, I did not take umbrage at my view not bei...Anthony, I did not take umbrage at my view not being shared at all and never have, despite how some of you try to present it. I don't expect anyone, never mind everyone, to share my views and my 'umbrage' is with a goon hiding behind a moniker who has been trolling this site for quite some time, with his incessant need to present everything - even it seems the murder of a republican Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5535721187399656672016-03-07T17:17:54.842+00:002016-03-07T17:17:54.842+00:00Sean,
many of today's so called republicans h...Sean,<br /><br />many of today's so called republicans have demonstrated a fickleness that astounds. Some of them pushed policing right over the line and now complain that SF sold out. Are we to view all them as you do Henry Joy? <br /><br />I think the change from pushing the PSNI over the line to shouting Up The Republic is a greater leap than Henry Joy's profession of O'Bradaigh AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7444164632877385222016-03-07T16:26:55.365+00:002016-03-07T16:26:55.365+00:00For someone who first presented himself a hard O&#...For someone who first presented himself a hard O'Bradaighite to revert to the bullshit above suggests one of two things: the person behind that moniker is as fickle as what should be obvious, or he is a troll inventing a persona for himself, having got mixed up along the way in the image he intended to project and thus now has no option but to go further and further into the revisionist Sean Bresnahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06842180620284317746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-26304014276478928312016-03-07T15:28:33.789+00:002016-03-07T15:28:33.789+00:00Sean,
read the article. Antoin clearly affords th...Sean,<br /><br />read the article. Antoin clearly affords the imprimatur of the IRA and hence hopes to confer a legitimacy to the decisions and actions of the Ryan brothers. He presents a continuity right through from Pearse and Connoly.<br /><br /><i>"Both became members of Oglaigh Na hEireann - to fight to achieve Freedom for the 32 counties of Ireland by whatever means necessary, Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-39824344684724548972016-03-07T14:44:38.016+00:002016-03-07T14:44:38.016+00:00Sean,
we know Denis was a British agent. There is...Sean,<br /><br />we know Denis was a British agent. There is nothing new in that. Whether he set anybody up to be killed or was an agent of influence I do not know. I suspect the latter.<br /><br />But no matter what he was you think it is okay not to protect his family from an opinion they might not like but okay to protect some other family from the comments of people you disagree with and evenAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-14192088553209573162016-03-07T14:30:53.051+00:002016-03-07T14:30:53.051+00:00This piece has brought a wisuggest of political op...This piece has brought a wisuggest of political opinion<br />the question that arises is, we're is anti<br />agreement republicanism going,what is our strategy, and<br />as Am suggested can we salvage something to <br />build on.Armed actions have failed I believe we have to<br />admit that much, we must cease sending young men an<br />women to jail as there/our actions have not made any<br SeanSmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16147274912307569878noreply@blogger.com