tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post5618152764922460025..comments2024-03-29T06:51:03.388+00:00Comments on TPQ: Orwell Prize Says EverythingAMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40845790453891206492019-07-01T10:39:26.034+01:002019-07-01T10:39:26.034+01:00Eoghan
whether 'Say Nothing' merited the ...Eoghan<br /><br />whether 'Say Nothing' merited the Orwell award over and above perhaps the titles you've mentioned, or indeed any other publication, is subjective unless we're really clear as to what criteria the judges work to. Of course you're entitled to your objections and concerns.<br /><br />Perhaps there's a rare possibility that you're right also about about Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60759404012603944112019-06-30T21:31:56.915+01:002019-06-30T21:31:56.915+01:00Eoghan - end notes or footnotes that only confirm ...Eoghan - end notes or footnotes that only confirm our own prejudices are as useless as links. The purpose of end links when I use them is to acknowledge the author not to use them because they think the way I think they should think. If you can show me one link you have posted that would suggest you have been talking bollix I will concede the point that they are not self serving. Just one. PeopleAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-29109411676062934482019-06-30T21:22:23.593+01:002019-06-30T21:22:23.593+01:00Eoghan - claiming it is clear to you does not mean...Eoghan - claiming it is clear to you does not mean it is clear to anyone else. It is certainly not clear to me. <br />I read Ed's piece admittedly a while ago but recall nothing that stood out as being decisive. I half listened to Ed on Radio Free Eireann one evening as the reception was bad but if I am right he said it would have been a good book but for the fact that it did not acknowledge AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46948263138037544612019-06-30T15:56:25.371+01:002019-06-30T15:56:25.371+01:00Henry Joy,
George Orwell as writer and activist a...Henry Joy,<br /><br />George Orwell as writer and activist always took an anti-authoritarian position in politics. <br /><br />When you finish reading any book or article by Orwell you know where he stood. <br /><br />He was never neutral. He opposed imperialism in all its forms. <br /><br />So as much as I enjoyed reading PRK’s book, I really can’t tell you what his political opinion is.<br /><Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-34295195369450865632019-06-30T15:29:05.618+01:002019-06-30T15:29:05.618+01:00Anthony,
It’s clear that PRK did pull it from Wi...Anthony, <br /><br />It’s clear that PRK did pull it from Wikipedia. <br /><br />Sure, every country has its own version of a story like that.<br /><br />But not the same “… apocryphal” description of it.<br /><br />And if you want to see the convincing evidence that PRK ignored….<br /><br />Then you’d have to see the link to Ed Moloney’s article on PRK.<br /><br />It wasn’t just the radio Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-75892926246234420102019-06-30T14:57:52.420+01:002019-06-30T14:57:52.420+01:00Anthony,
Links are no different than footnotes or...Anthony,<br /><br />Links are no different than footnotes or end notes.<br /><br />And how would you know they’re “…self-serving, not informative” if you don’t read them?<br /><br />Seems though that anyone who offers proof of their assertions is self-serving.<br /><br />Hence the expression: My thesis. <br /><br />But the real key is do their proofs stand up, are they informative?<br /><br />ButEoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-12167284571078118542019-06-30T07:40:55.785+01:002019-06-30T07:40:55.785+01:00Eoghan - I think Blogger is trying to tell you som...Eoghan - I think Blogger is trying to tell you something. This comment went straight to Spam! I knew one had come through as I saw it before going up to bed but can't actually post from my phone. When I went to upload it this morning it wasn't there, so I checked spam. Happens occasionally but it might be down to the links - don't know why you put the effort in with links when you AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-70100982926094638812019-06-29T21:56:08.351+01:002019-06-29T21:56:08.351+01:00Eoghan - I doubt very much it was pulled from Wiki...Eoghan - I doubt very much it was pulled from Wikipedia. I guess every country has its own version of that story just as every religions has its creation myth. It is so widely applicable. PRK said the story was almost certainly apocryphal, which you cite yourself. So neither plagiarism nor stupidity. If there is convincing evidence that PRK has ignored what is it? Christopher above refers to not AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-74347840970564978372019-06-29T21:36:34.771+01:002019-06-29T21:36:34.771+01:00Anthony,
And by the way conspiracy is simply two ...Anthony,<br /><br />And by the way conspiracy is simply two or more people agreeing to commit a crime.<br /><br />Theory simply means explanation. <br /><br />And as you know some explanations of crime are better than others because there is proof.<br /> <br />Like for instance:<br /> <br />1. COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO<br />2. Pentagon Papers https://en.wikipedia.org/Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-28364962235187815152019-06-29T21:19:48.071+01:002019-06-29T21:19:48.071+01:00Anthony,
Like I said, best seller maybe, because ...Anthony,<br /><br />Like I said, best seller maybe, because it is a good read, but not the Orwell prize. <br /><br />Since it would not have been hard for PRK to just say:<br /><br />“The same apocryphal story about Calvin Coolidge is also told about Frank Kitson.”<br /><br />If PRK were Irish or British then I could forgive him for not knowing it was about Coolidge.<br /><br />But it’s pretty Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68886316838689322662019-06-29T21:03:01.689+01:002019-06-29T21:03:01.689+01:00Eoghan,
I'd never heard of the Orwell Prizes ...Eoghan,<br /><br />I'd never heard of the Orwell Prizes before now and I'm still not exactly clear as to what criteria the judges are working to. It does seem though that there are four separate categories; Political Writing Book Prize, Political Fiction Book Prize, a Journalism Prize and another under the heading 'Exposing Britain's Social Evils'.<br /><br />This year PRK Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25046309299533946332019-06-29T21:01:58.958+01:002019-06-29T21:01:58.958+01:00Interesting argument.
Although AM and Carrie hav...Interesting argument. <br /><br />Although AM and Carrie have tried to dissuade me, I have been put off reading the book because of the Jean McConville blunder, and for good reason. For me, the case is a kind of lynchpin for which one's overall view of the conflict can be formed. If you believe she wasn't an informer, then it's easy to dismiss the IRA as an evil group with no morals. Christopher Owenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05236891604706531905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63229159727170596152019-06-29T09:05:11.637+01:002019-06-29T09:05:11.637+01:00Eoghan - just to add that I don't actually dis...Eoghan - just to add that I don't actually dislike O'Dowd. I wouldn't refuse a pint from him. But I have serious issues with his devotion to the Adams narrative and his willingness to shill for him and be shrill to anyone who does not. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27604662568339864962019-06-29T09:01:12.718+01:002019-06-29T09:01:12.718+01:00Eoghan - False in one, false in all - might do la...Eoghan - False in one, false in all - might do lawyers as they battle each other for the best argument rather than the best outcome but in the world outside the theatrics of the courtroom, it applies to every single person on this planet capable of reason. The only rule to emerge from adherence to that legal maxim is believe nobody. Not much fuel in that for going anywhere. <br /><br />Nothing AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-24672057196081537742019-06-29T00:49:54.811+01:002019-06-29T00:49:54.811+01:00Anthony,
I hear you, but there is a saying in the...Anthony,<br /><br />I hear you, but there is a saying in the Law that I am sure Mr. Keefe is aware of.<br /><br />Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.<br /><br />False in one, false in all.<br /><br />If someone tells you one thing that is untrue...<br /><br />You should not believe anything he says.<br /><br />And clearly Ed Moloney has problems with many of Mr. Keefe’s mistakes and omissions.<br /Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-6919686506732909222019-06-28T22:26:30.206+01:002019-06-28T22:26:30.206+01:00Nor do I think much of Rose Sullivan's critici...Nor do I think much of Rose Sullivan's criticism: her allusion to plagiarism does not stand up. The book was built heavily around the BC research, Ed's work, his own interviews and research. The entire reading world is familiar with that. Myself and Ed were excoriated by O'Dowd over the book. From reading him you would almost be forgiven for thinking we wrote it. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-55321163362592398412019-06-28T22:18:46.032+01:002019-06-28T22:18:46.032+01:00Eoghan - always good to get a different take.
Ca...Eoghan - always good to get a different take. <br /><br />Can't see the basis of Dillon's complaint. Seems a vanity matter: he didn't get mentioned enough. He doesn't have to be once his work is acknowledged. Every time The BC interviews with Brendan Hughes are mentioned and I am not, it doesn't cause me a thought. I think he has more grounds for concern than not being AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27903865438006147762019-06-28T13:06:32.173+01:002019-06-28T13:06:32.173+01:00Martin Dillon Weighs in On Patrick Keefe Controver...<b>Martin Dillon Weighs in On Patrick Keefe Controversy</b><br />Posted on May 19, 2019 | 1 Comment<br /><br /><i>My name does not appear anywhere in the narrative, but there are extensive references to my work listed in his Notes section. This is just one example that struck me as a failure by Mr. Radden Keefe to give proper recognition to the “long time chroniclers.” It is up to the critics to Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-67753414242598669192019-06-28T12:52:12.615+01:002019-06-28T12:52:12.615+01:00For example, on page 68 of Mr. Keefe’s book Say No...For example, on page 68 of Mr. Keefe’s book <i>Say Nothing</i> he writes:<br /><br /><i>“(Frank Kitson) was known to dislike small talk. One story about Kitson that circulated in the Army (and was almost certainly <b>apocryphal</b>, but revealing nonetheless) involved a dinner party at which the wife of one of Kitson’s colleagues found herself seated next to him and announced that she had made aEoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-68719483904994542722019-06-28T12:48:17.855+01:002019-06-28T12:48:17.855+01:00One man’s meat is more than just Niall O’Dowd’s po...One man’s meat is more than just Niall O’Dowd’s poison:<br /><br /><b>An American Reporter in Belfast: How a New Yorker Writer Got So Much Wrong in His Bestselling Book On The Troubles</b> by ED MOLONEY May 2, 2019<br /><br />The writing thus flows uninterrupted, appearing to the untutored reader – or reviewer – as being the work of the author when it may not be. It takes hard work and Eoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-16286921528117458402019-06-28T12:45:26.136+01:002019-06-28T12:45:26.136+01:00ORWELL PRIZE DOESN’T SAY EVERYTHING.
I too enjoye...ORWELL PRIZE DOESN’T SAY EVERYTHING.<br /><br />I too enjoyed reading Patrick Keefe’s book Say Nothing. He is a skillful writer and story teller. But I would no more nominate him for the Orwell Prize anymore than I would Gerry Adams or Ian Fleming, a former British Naval Intelligence Officer, also skillful writers and story tellers. <br /><br />Patrick Keefe<br /> A graduate of Columbia CollegeEoghanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11944611614493961109noreply@blogger.com