tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post5381200238377955625..comments2024-03-28T13:35:30.500+00:00Comments on TPQ: “So, You’re A Racist Now Father?”AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-50000130162020165012018-11-07T19:24:57.513+00:002018-11-07T19:24:57.513+00:00With all the PC and equal rights crap....Does that...With all the PC and equal rights crap....Does that mean the menopause will become womenopause?frankiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452424095829736700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-82262101275810028942018-11-04T13:18:01.134+00:002018-11-04T13:18:01.134+00:00https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/spar...https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/sparta-prague-football-derby-slavia-czech-republic-nazi-antisemitism-chants-pavel-stingl-exhibition<br /><br />The above link to an Observer article on racist chanting in Czech football and its historical context adds another dimension to the debate, David, as to whether football chants are mderely "supposed to irritate"<br /><br />In a weekBarry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-53353882585462361542018-11-03T06:27:33.805+00:002018-11-03T06:27:33.805+00:00Barry - context is often alibiBarry - context is often alibiAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-60216715323272573872018-11-03T02:23:30.537+00:002018-11-03T02:23:30.537+00:00It's football chants, they're supposed to...It's football chants, they're supposed to irritate. If all we've got to moan about is disrespectful chants, we're doing ok. P.c is only affective if you acknowledge it. Barry, if you're not happy with Corbyn, don't vote for him. The campaign against him will backfire. Personally i believe if Corbyn was prime minister he'd tow the line, they're all snakes. Barry Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14120277877011965034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-33107653882320234172018-11-03T00:36:18.147+00:002018-11-03T00:36:18.147+00:00Niall
Context is everything.Niall<br /><br />Context is everything.Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-91828821597335795402018-11-02T13:02:31.844+00:002018-11-02T13:02:31.844+00:00Never funny to disrespect the dead....that would b...Never funny to disrespect the dead....that would be wholly dependent on the dead or how you define respect otherwise no more Hitler jokes!Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-13254996890091978712018-11-02T09:03:45.962+00:002018-11-02T09:03:45.962+00:00Niall
I have personal experience of the Munich 58...Niall<br /><br />I have personal experience of the Munich 58 chants which Leeds fans which used to regularly taunt Man Utd with (I have sung it myself to my shame because I thought it funny) and also of Galatasary shirts and cut-throat gestures by Millwall fans (Man Utd fans also unfurled an Istanbul Reds banner at Elland Road) towards us in mockery of our two murdered supporters who met their Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-52728824018379782142018-11-02T08:38:58.268+00:002018-11-02T08:38:58.268+00:00Steve,
active cynicism often draws attention to t...Steve,<br /><br />active cynicism often draws attention to the gaps between ideals and practices; to that degree I happily own my cynicism.<br /><br />As George Bernard Shaw succinctly put it <i>"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who don't have it"</i>. <br /><br />Of course, we all exercise and experience a wide range of emotions. The Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-90063395485255121092018-11-01T20:57:37.191+00:002018-11-01T20:57:37.191+00:00AM
As somebody who got suspended from my Corbyn d...AM<br /><br />As somebody who got suspended from my Corbyn dominated CLP online discussion forum for being my contrarian self I can assure you of the hegemony of the PC mob!Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-58321275795599358512018-11-01T20:16:48.008+00:002018-11-01T20:16:48.008+00:00Some Liverpool fans make aeroplane gestures at the...Some Liverpool fans make aeroplane gestures at the Man Utd fans in reference to the Munich disaster...doesn't mean they are disrespectful to the victims or that they hate aeroplanes!!! I found it very funny when i first heard it...Niallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-46689353741633942072018-11-01T18:59:30.828+00:002018-11-01T18:59:30.828+00:00Henry JoY
"I wouldn't discount the trian...Henry JoY<br /><br />"I wouldn't discount the triangualised theory of human motivation which suggests that we're all probably always motivated by either ego, fear or greed, or some permutation of same"<br /><br />A touch cynical for my tastes, being a parent has opened up a whole plethora of mixed emotions from unconditional love for them to psychopathic anger against those who Steve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18751537985803587522018-11-01T16:52:13.143+00:002018-11-01T16:52:13.143+00:00Good man AM,
only a wholly man could articulate w...Good man AM,<br /><br />only a wholly man could articulate with such clarity, as you have throughout this thread. ^_^Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35301251217010366942018-11-01T14:40:14.928+00:002018-11-01T14:40:14.928+00:00Anthony
I think my sensitivity to racist or perce...Anthony<br /><br />I think my sensitivity to racist or perceived racist/sexist language is part of how I felt as a dyspraxic and high functioning autistic spectrum person and therefore as someone who does not 'get' the common sense of popular discourse at any given time. (Don't worry the neurodiversity world has its high priests of PC orthodoxy)<br /><br />It may also be down to too Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35776840540555279992018-11-01T10:56:45.874+00:002018-11-01T10:56:45.874+00:00Barry - for some reason BLP politics have passed m...Barry - for some reason BLP politics have passed me by. I am not that au fait with the Corbyn dispute around anti-Semitism. But I have no doubt the PC mob are well entrenched in the party.<br /><br />The hissing I would never dismiss as sheer boisterousness and I think it would be seriously dishonest to think there was not a large racist current in the midst of it all. I just wonder to what AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-69675563431175138902018-11-01T09:02:40.088+00:002018-11-01T09:02:40.088+00:00AM
We will have to agree to disagree on the hissi...AM<br /><br />We will have to agree to disagree on the hissing. I know that Tottenham have always been a target for racist hooligans because of its Jewish links hence the "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz Hitler is going to gas them again" taunt from opposing so-called supporters. I do not know what Ajax's presumably Jewish connections are.<br /><br />One point about calling Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-20288482163009583042018-11-01T08:40:10.376+00:002018-11-01T08:40:10.376+00:00Henry Joy - thank no god for that. Imagine living ...Henry Joy - thank no god for that. Imagine living in a world of perfection. Like Heaven: there would be nothing to do, nothing to strive for. Imagine no greed, no glory seekers, nobody afraid of anything, no selfishness, no egotists. <br /><br />We would not recognise our world or see the human condition in it. It would be bland. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-53392249592563634052018-10-31T22:45:42.608+00:002018-10-31T22:45:42.608+00:00Steve,
"And the older I get the more I reali...Steve,<br /><br /><i>"And the older I get the more I realize that Governments the world over are full of self-interested narcissists with little more interest in the voter than what will extract a vote from them."</i><br /><br />I wouldn't discount the triangualised theory of human motivation which suggests that we're all probably always motivated by either ego, fear or greed, Henry JoYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04161613445053833181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-40603602685535801232018-10-31T21:33:29.549+00:002018-10-31T21:33:29.549+00:00Barry - targeting black players is focused and rac...Barry - targeting black players is focused and racist.<br /><br />Hissing may be something entirely different given the numbers involved and the history, the culture. People might simply do it much as they do a Mexican wave. Hard to imagine the Feyenoord fans being die hard Nazis. The politically correct will label it as racist - the factually correct will go much further in a bid to find out AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-63619332244593230682018-10-31T20:20:44.766+00:002018-10-31T20:20:44.766+00:00The Politically Correct Mob down here call Sudanes...The Politically Correct Mob down here call Sudanese gangs in Melbourne...."Of African Appearance". <br /><br />Must not offended those whose delicate little ears may hear racism.<br /><br />A small point on free speech, Hitchens rightly pointed out that if you are in favour of banning any section of society from saying anything at all, you are handing control over what is said to thoseSteve Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13670990166576346966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-76821655385892736642018-10-31T14:41:13.859+00:002018-10-31T14:41:13.859+00:00AM'
One of the most sickening and shaming thi...AM'<br /><br />One of the most sickening and shaming things I have ever seen was the sight in 1988 of supporters of Leeds United, the club that I love, followed all my life and have been a season-ticket holder of, hurling bananas at black players of Aston Villa to the tune of "Trigger, trigger shoot that nigger". The fans had been extensively infiltrated at the time by the BNP and Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-25226447582812514562018-10-31T13:52:35.762+00:002018-10-31T13:52:35.762+00:00Barry - meaning is positional more often than fixe...Barry - meaning is positional more often than fixed. Terms can be reworked, disarticulated from the original discursive or analytical framework of which they were a component part. Look at how dissident has come to be reworked and reinvented in terms of what it describes. Who has the power of veto over language? I don't believe that a groups should be able to describe something as offensive AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-82517313582764383012018-10-31T09:48:26.280+00:002018-10-31T09:48:26.280+00:00AM
I agree with much of what you say but I must r...AM<br /><br />I agree with much of what you say but I must respectfully disagree with you over the use of the word "Paki". In Britain certainly it is understood and recognised by the affected communities as a derogatory term used to describe anyone of South Asian origin, It is not an affectionate shorthand for "Pakistani" as some might contend and as those with memories of &Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-66895119509415742782018-10-31T08:53:33.007+00:002018-10-31T08:53:33.007+00:00Niall - which suggests we operate with more tactic...Niall - which suggests we operate with more tactical nous than the PC mob grant us.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18297415809975272942018-10-31T08:37:08.469+00:002018-10-31T08:37:08.469+00:00My last ever vote many, many, years ago, must have...My last ever vote many, many, years ago, must have been the local elections, was to vote Jim Allister of the TUV....the Shinners I told this too would gasp in complete shock and ask what the hell was I thinking off... even when I explained to them that Allister is best kept in the public domain as he has a knack for publicly hanging Unionism when he opens his mouth....not quite a protest vote butNiallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013400649117430986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23556686285848198722018-10-31T07:09:10.227+00:002018-10-31T07:09:10.227+00:00Barry - the Paki thing never concerns me but more ...Barry - the Paki thing never concerns me but more the intonation or inflection when it is used. Unlike nigger it is not a word created specifically to degrade a person and diminish their worth. It is shorthand, much like Argie, Jap or Brit. My ears never prick up when I hear the word Paki unless it is Paki bastard. They prick up very much when they hear the word nigger. The PC like to police AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.com