tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post3499011760583763941..comments2024-03-28T17:44:07.653+00:00Comments on TPQ: Unfinished Business 2019AMhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-35536548928812392172019-08-20T07:05:40.973+01:002019-08-20T07:05:40.973+01:00Wolfsbane, scientology more resembles a religion t...Wolfsbane, scientology more resembles a religion that Ulster Scots does a nation. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23994399743401850152019-08-19T20:35:22.708+01:002019-08-19T20:35:22.708+01:00AM - let me be clearer then: the Planter people, t...AM - let me be clearer then: the Planter people, the descendants of the Scots, Welsh and English who settled here in the 17th C, are not the same nation as the Gaelic people who are our neighbours. Neither does one have to have an island to oneself to validate being a separate nation, as the Scots, Welsh and English bear witness to.<br /><br />Of course, separate nations may agree to join with Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32378756577347943722019-08-16T08:13:44.788+01:002019-08-16T08:13:44.788+01:00People can argue for a right to self determination...People can argue for a right to self determination for any group they wish - even for the Orange Order or the AOH to have their own islands where they can self determine. But they are unlikely to be taken seriously. People do not always get what they want and there is no compelling reason for a national desire to be prioritised over other desires. Benedict Anderson made the point about imagined AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18337338239200344462019-08-14T19:52:48.190+01:002019-08-14T19:52:48.190+01:00AM
Yes, it may be they will. But I hope it is ne...AM<br /><br />Yes, it may be they will. But I hope it is never put to the trial.<br /><br />As to the Ulster Scots not being recognised as a distinct people in international law, I suppose that goes for the Basques and Catalans too. And the Tamils in Sri Lanka. And all ethnic minorities in sovereign states. But some people have defended their right to self-determination.<br /><br />A pity thereWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-70217959729122030392019-08-03T21:09:50.343+01:002019-08-03T21:09:50.343+01:00Wolfsbane - I imagine they will comply much as the...Wolfsbane - I imagine they will comply much as the nationalists in the North do at present. They can define however they like - the writ of the governing body will most likely prevail. <br /><br />The so called British in Ireland are not recognised as a distinct people in international law. Self determination is recognised for the people of the North not some people in it.<br /><br />There is no AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-42141999700047909922019-08-03T17:51:44.370+01:002019-08-03T17:51:44.370+01:00AM said:
'Wolfsbane - that is not a right reco...AM said:<br />'Wolfsbane - that is not a right recognised in international or British law. You have no more right to a nation of Plymouth Brethren than you have to a nation of British in Ireland.'<br /><br />That is apples and oranges. The British in Ireland are a distinct people - and the British Government did recognise that fact when they conceded our separation from the proposed Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-18848050611485916752019-07-21T07:19:03.751+01:002019-07-21T07:19:03.751+01:00Wolfsbane - that is not a right recognised in inte...Wolfsbane - that is not a right recognised in international or British law. You have no more right to a nation of Plymouth Brethren than you have to a nation of British in Ireland. You are of course free to make your case but it has already been ruled upon. The North ceases to be under British sovereignty post-the 50% + 1 referendum. It is pretty clear. <br /><br />It doesn't even matter if IAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-37736600873502090242019-07-20T20:06:54.334+01:002019-07-20T20:06:54.334+01:00AM
I use 'Ulster Scots' only as a label f...AM<br /><br />I use 'Ulster Scots' only as a label for the British people in NI - many of whom have English roots rather than Scots ones. Perhaps the clearest terms would be Planter or British.<br /><br />So I'm saying there is a distinct nation other than the Gaels in Ireland, and in NI. And that it too has a right to self-determination, and at least to exercise a veto over the Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-5740147797526834762019-07-18T18:25:03.511+01:002019-07-18T18:25:03.511+01:00Wolfsbane,
you would need to make a very persuas...Wolfsbane, <br /><br />you would need to make a very persuasive argument for the right to an Ulster Scots nation to even get remotely across the line. How many unionists identify as Ulster Scots? While it is never wise to generalise my own experience of talking to loyalists is that they laugh at it and define themselves as Northern Irish. British or Ulster people. There have been unionists (TARA)AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41706762532108755002019-07-18T15:00:14.483+01:002019-07-18T15:00:14.483+01:00AM
'Wolfsbane - just as the North only needs...AM <br /><br />'Wolfsbane - just as the North only needs 50% + 1 to stay in it also needs only 50% + 1 to leave. That is what it says on the tin. That is what the North signed up for.'<br /><br />Indeed. That was the stupidity or craft of both Unionist leaders when they talked of the 'will of the majority' and included the Nationalists in that. As you know, that was not the Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-84885905807312957902019-07-18T05:52:08.495+01:002019-07-18T05:52:08.495+01:00Wolfsbane - just as the North only needs 50% + 1 t...Wolfsbane - just as the North only needs 50% + 1 to stay in it also needs only 50% + 1 to leave. That is what it says on the tin. That is what the North signed up for. Those who threaten violence against the internal democratic decision can expect to be faced down. <br />The stability of it is quite another matter and I anticipate it working out along the lines discussed by Richard Humphreys AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-85190562907017316432019-07-17T17:42:17.566+01:002019-07-17T17:42:17.566+01:00AM
Sorry to be late in replying. Holidays!
Yes,...AM<br /><br />Sorry to be late in replying. Holidays!<br /><br />Yes, they do need more than 50% + 1 - if they want a viable UI. Otherwise many PULs will leave or stay and do all they can to undermine the State. Sound familiar?<br /><br />The rest of us have enough blame without making out the British Government were the main source of our war. They would gladly have had NI progress under O'Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-44033976118262092202019-07-08T22:02:09.811+01:002019-07-08T22:02:09.811+01:00Wolfsbane - the nationalists don't really need...Wolfsbane - the nationalists don't really need to present anything other than the 50 per cent + 1. Any nationalist who would eat grass just to be in a UI can have my share too because I will not be eating any. <br />The British state boasts about it role in the troubles while lying at the same time. It boasts that it was a piggy in the middle rather than a player. <br />The later troubles as AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-7207839485791129262019-07-08T15:13:06.578+01:002019-07-08T15:13:06.578+01:00AM
If the nationalists have an economic solution ...AM<br /><br />If the nationalists have an economic solution to separation from the UK, then they should present it along with their offer of cultural inclusion of the Planters and the Gaels. I know many nationalists would eat grass if they could get a UI, but we unionists wouldn't.<br /><br />No, I don't think the government lying about the Troubles is a good thing - just that it is lessWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-70152930586874656912019-07-07T08:42:55.924+01:002019-07-07T08:42:55.924+01:00Wolfsbane - is this not part of the problem when y...Wolfsbane - is this not part of the problem when you see things in a certain way and then expect nationalists to have a similar view when they look through different eyes at it? Nationalists generally do not see Westminster as an outsider but as an integral part of the problem. Nor is your essential oneness as Northern Irelanders shared. Their own terrorism was part of a dialectic which helped AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-41240839152937646172019-07-06T20:40:42.865+01:002019-07-06T20:40:42.865+01:00AM said:
'but you remain relaxed about nationa...AM said:<br />'but you remain relaxed about nationalists living under a government that engaged in state terrorism against them and which continues to cover up the circumstances surrounding the deaths of their kith and kin. There is as much a personal element there.'<br /><br />I see the Westminster Government as an outsider to our essential oneness as Northern Irelanders. Yes, they usedWolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-33555824118359449792019-07-06T10:38:36.706+01:002019-07-06T10:38:36.706+01:00but you remain relaxed about nationalists living u...but you remain relaxed about nationalists living under a government that engaged in state terrorism against them and which continues to cover up the circumstances surrounding the deaths of their kith and kin. There is as much a personal element there. I don't want to be ruled by a government that is up to its neck in mass murder and widespread starvation in Yemen and I don't know why you AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-65254991382535191112019-07-01T21:28:16.259+01:002019-07-01T21:28:16.259+01:00Sean,
Part 2:
Some positive comments:
'Sinn ...Sean,<br /><br />Part 2:<br /><br />Some positive comments:<br />'Sinn Féin Poblachtach regards the European Union, as it has developed and continues to develop, as a modern form of imperialism. It serves the interests, above all, of big business and the super-rich. Corruption is rampant there also as we saw in 1999 when the whole EU Commission had to resign. It is undemocratic in its Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-27744034378467546202019-07-01T21:27:17.614+01:002019-07-01T21:27:17.614+01:00Sean,
I've read over 'Éire Nua – A New De...Sean,<br /><br />I've read over 'Éire Nua – A New Democracy', and Finnian O Domhnaill's 'eire nua - unionisms last hope' article.<br /><br />The promises of respect and accommodation for our Britishness are welcome. But I ask you to consider the problems that we might have in relying on such promises.<br /><br />Many of the same people who spoke of “religious and civil Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-57675249769585197012019-07-01T17:37:02.888+01:002019-07-01T17:37:02.888+01:00AM,
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I don...AM, <br /><br />Sorry, I should have been clearer. I don't want to live in a UI ruled by those who have murdered my kith and kin and still celebrate the fact. <br /><br />That I live in a nation ruled by those who have murdered in unjust wars I find regrettable too, but at least we can change them at each election. The British people have the power, if they are wise enough to use it. But Wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06874590970329192225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-61867236474957690072019-06-30T21:10:55.126+01:002019-06-30T21:10:55.126+01:00Wolfsbane - often the problem with double standard...Wolfsbane - often the problem with double standard bearers is that they don't see the double standards they bear. You don't want to live in a united Ireland governed to some extent by people you call murderers but are content to live under a government largely run by people you don't call murderers but who are responsible for much worse than anything republicans ever did. AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-19900625009259107302019-06-30T14:02:58.531+01:002019-06-30T14:02:58.531+01:00Sean,
I'll get back to you once I have review...Sean, <br />I'll get back to you once I have reviewed again the EN Plan. I take it the definitive version is available on-line?wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305610586054027558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-89789353687534814252019-06-30T14:00:38.557+01:002019-06-30T14:00:38.557+01:00AM,
I don't see a double standard, as I regard...AM,<br />I don't see a double standard, as I regard an unagreed Partition as not the ideal. Expecting either side to submit to the other was and is not good. But better than a civil war.<br /><br />Nor do I write off combatants who used terror and murdered non-combatants, their neighbours. I expect them to have reflected now that the heat of conflict is over and they have had lots of time to wolfsbanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18305610586054027558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-23482788462178658902019-06-29T22:50:53.045+01:002019-06-29T22:50:53.045+01:00As in 'armed struggle' which a broad major...As in 'armed struggle' which a broad majority of the CNR populace have always rejected?Barry Gilheanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14220262677398695734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4807238897188927967.post-32691917380012353052019-06-29T22:02:39.820+01:002019-06-29T22:02:39.820+01:00Wolfsbane - none of that explains your use of a do...Wolfsbane - none of that explains your use of a double standard.AMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00559413440743290550noreply@blogger.com